So far I've come across 2 continuity errors that have been discussed and one from WTCMB that has not. They are rather big and glaring. The Big Dipper was an insert shot and it would have been easy to fix. A lot of people want to say that these things are just mistakes. I'm starting to think that they are not.
Boone's t-shirt is pretty big, yet, subtle. They could have used other shots or not used the ones that are so obvious that the characters are not on his t-shirt.

The Big Dipper (reversed)
Jack mysterious moving tattoo (When he fights Ethan)
and tonight Boone's Chinese character t-shirt (the characters are there and then they are not) The 84 t-shirt.....
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=23386&fullsize=1
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=23390&fullsize=1




I got to see my first episode in HDTV it looks really good.

Well, if they are clues, what's your theory? How do you explain a magic T-shirt in terms of the story, or moving tattoos. Methinks they're just booboos, myself... I took a quick count and there are 7 shots where the T-shirt is visible enough to see, 5 of them have the writing, and 2 don't. Probably a re-take and he put the shirt on backwards... Tee hee...

and he put the shirt on backwards...


Then he DOES deserve to die then. ;D

But it also might be intentional.

I remember watching "The Mule" once and they did something like this to the TV audience. They even put the mole logo on the actual mole's suitcase(?) but the shot was so quick, it was hard to catch. They replayed all the clues they gave to the viewing public.

Intentional? Why? I need a theory, dammit. Gotta have a theory. Can't work without a theory! ;D

Seriously, the Mole shots were for the audience - what do you think we're supposed to get out of Ian putting his T-shirt on backwards? If it's for us, it's way over this old noggin. Don't get it at all... :o

My kingdom for a theory...

Beside, I must be getting tired - I keep seeing shamrocks and green birthday cakes (ugh!) :angel:

Bingo! I was trying to figure out how the t-shirt would fit in with the stars and the tattoo. If the shirt is on backwards then all the images literally are "reversed" and that in more than a coincidence.

Bingo! I was trying to figure out how the t-shirt would fit in with the stars and the tattoo. If the shirt is on backwards then all the images literally are "reversed" and that in more than a coincidence.


After pondering this sort of thing for several years on Buffy and Angel, where I went to ridiculous lengths to construct theories about what turned out in the end to be continuity errors, I've come to the conclusion that sometimes a goof is just a goof.

The boy put his shirt on backwards. No one noticed. Or maybe they noticed but hoped the audience wouldn't.

There was the day Buffy went to sleep in mid-November and woke up the next day a couple of days before Christmas. Ah hah! Time distortion! Nope. Continuity error. Or the time the Watchers' Council Building blew up...except the building we saw blowing up was not the same building that was supposed to be the Watchers' Council building. Oops.

Sometimes stuff never gets fixed either because it's not noticed or because they're on a tight deadline and/or don't have another shot they can edit in to replace the one with the error.

Gotta admit, though, it would be cool if you're right and there really is a deeper meaning to all this!

Templeton

I need a theory, dammit. Gotta have a theory. Can't work without a theory!

Here's one : They don't have a laundry, and Boone's maid is far far away, so he had to figure out something to keep looking clean. ;D

Which immediately leads to the conclusion that : the hatch IS a laundry ! ;D

Wow, the Chinese are everywhere ;)

Sam, I have a theory for you. I have been wondering about this myself for some time. I think that at some points in time (hallucinations, strange occurrences, etc) that things occur in a parallel or backward time frame and somehow when we see things like this backwards, it is to clue us in that this is one of those moments in time that might not be taking place right then, or even at all. There is another one with Sayid, during his visit with Danielle that I can t remember off the top of my head but I will look for.

There have been lots of continutity errors on this show and when people have brought it up to the VIPs they have basically chalked it up to editing. I've given up finding meaning in them- why is it raining in the jungle but not at the caves? Because a scene was probably cut? I'm not going to rack my brain too much over it- it's a TV show- they all have continuity issues!

I'm not so sure. Yes, it cold be an editing error, or he may have spilled some wine or tomato juice on his shirt between shots. However, it also seems like something that would be easy to get right, and this crew doesn't seem to get things wrong too often. If anyone wanted to make a theory behind it, I guess it might confirm the "Boone is a Goner" theory. There's no number on the shirt after he tells his lie about searching for Claire and fails to mention the hatch, meaning his number is up (often a catch phrase for death).

I like that patch, his numbers up

Sam, I have a theory for you. I have been wondering about this myself for some time. I think that at some points in time (hallucinations, strange occurrences, etc) that things occur in a parallel or backward time frame and somehow when we see things like this backwards, it is to clue us in that this is one of those moments in time that might not be taking place right then, or even at all.* There is another one with Sayid, during his visit with Danielle that I can t remember off the top of my head but I will look for.

I talked to a person that directs shows like "Lost" and he said that the examples I gave him don't sound like accidents. People could lose their jobs over things like this. Boon'e t-shirt isn't the only on they have.They would have multiples for just such circumstances as spills. Diadol, yes or maybe it's a place where things could have gone one way or another. A fork in the road.

I think the star shot was with Michael and Walt. Things going differently with Jack & Ethan and Boone & Shannon.

Hey sam,
What was the thing with Jacks tattoo? I am not sure i caught that during the fight

I remember the other one. Sawyer is obviously right handed, he pointed the gun at Ethan with his right hand and does everything else right handed. EXCEPT when he shot the polar bear, he was holding the gun in his left hand. Yes, he could be ambidextrous, but most people do things better with one hand than the other. I think shooting a gun would fall into this category. You would not think about it, just get ready

"Jack" definitely seems to be sporting a different tattoo on his left arm around his elbow that he didn't have in the pilot. The original ones were all Matthew Fox's, but this new multi-colored one isn't so clear. Is is Jack's or Matthew's?

The stars should be reversed if the island is in the southern hemisphere.
They would appear "upside down" in, say, Australia to what someone is used to seeing in the US.
I believe this was intensional and a good detail!

Was the constellation upside-down or reversed? I've heard it described, but I never have actually looked at the shot on the show. I don't think any constellation would be upside down in the Southern hemishpere. Woudln't it look the same as the Northern hemisphere only in a different part of the sky? unsure . . .

I actually looked this up on a NASA website and it verified that the image in the southern hemisphere night sky is upside down to what we would see in the northern hemisphere sky.

I have the link posted somewhere, think it might be in the Tesla or the birds threads.

The stars should be reversed if the island is in the southern hemisphere.
They would appear "upside down"* in, say,* Australia to what someone is used to seeing in the US.
I believe this was intensional and a good detail!
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I actually looked this up on a NASA website and it verified that the image in the southern hemisphere night sky is upside down to what we would see in the northern hemisphere sky.



Uh...no.* Didn't we already cover this in the "stars" thread? In any case, there was a screen capture in that thread that showed a vaguely Big-Dipperish grouping of stars, only backwards, and slightly askewed (the porportions of distance between stars were different than in the actual Big Dipper).

All the Northern Hemisphere constellations- if they are still visible in the Southern Hemisphere- still appear the same way- they do not reverse.* They might appear reversed if you were viewing them from the other side of the stars- like if you found a compatable planet millions of miles away just the same distance from the constellation as earth- and the stars were grouped closely (keeping in mind that constellations viewed from earth are made up of stars of varing distances from earth, that just happen to form a "picture" together from our perspective- they may or may not form "pictures" from any other angle or any other place in the universe.

As far as the "Big Dipper" being upright, sideways or upside down- it does that EVERYDAY, EVERY NIGHT, all throughout the year!* *All these constellations "rotate" around the North Star Polaris (at the tip of the "Little Dipper") and the "Big Dipper" being the closest, most obvious group of stars (not a true constellation as it is only part of Ursa Major) being all second degree stars, this movement is more obvious in watching the "Big Dipper" than in observing constellations that are "farther" away from Polaris like Orion or Hydra.* Yes, it's really the earth doing the rotating- not the stars- but that's the way it looks to us. In fact, it takes the earth 23 hours, 56 minutes to rotate each day- but our system of time rounds it up to 24 hours.* That's a difference of four minutes each night (remember- 60 minutes to an hour AND 60 minutes to a degree- in other words, it will take 15 days for the "Big Dipper" to move one full degree in the sky if you go out and look at it at the exact same time every night (like if you go star gazing at exactly 9 pm every evening).* If you're not so inclined to start an amateur astronomer career, just go out after sunset every night for the next couple of months and look to our heavenly friend to the north, you will see it move slightly from it's position the previous night and so on.* So- just after sunset in winter in the northern hemisphere, it will appear upside down.* Just after sunset in summer in the northern hemisphere, it will appear right side up.* If you pick any night to stay up all night long and keep an eye on it, you will see it move from upright to sideways to upside down, ect.*

Uh...no.

Well, Flora, then I guess we'll depend on you being the astronomy expert here, as I certainly did not claim to be one.

In any case, it certainly does not sound, from what you are saying, that this is either an error or a phenomenon...

Hey sam,
What was the thing with Jacks tattoo? I am not sure i caught that during the fight

It switched arms while fighting Ethan.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-761.html

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-768.html


The Big Dipper was backwards not upsidedown. Handle pointing the other way. I will try and find the screen caps. I'm not at my own computer and I have them bookmarked at home.
http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/SamG1/?action=view&current=lostep142010.jpg

Well, Flora, then I guess we'll depend on you being the astronomy expert here, as I certainly did not claim to be one.

In any case, it certainly does not sound, from what you are saying, that this is either an error or a phenomenon...


I used to want to be an astronomer when I grew up, so it's all I read about when I was little. I camped out outside in the summer to watch the stars, had a telescope, subscribed to Sky and Telescope...ahhh...those were the days! (Man, adulthood has been REALLY disappointing!)

Though, seriously, as I mentioned in the original thread stars are generally added in as FX after filming as real stars generally do not show up well in film. I've seen lots of skyscapes in films that have NO resemblance to the sky and have no discernable constellations- it's like they don't even try to make it look real- but then it doesn't matter because except for a few stargazers and astronomers, no one really pays attention. So- the whole backwards, awry Big Dipper- was either just that- a backwards, skewed Big Dipper specifically thrown in there to give us a clue into the surreality of wherever the f&*% they are or- it's NOTHING at all, but some effects crew adding in stars to give the actors a nighttime backdrop.

Found it! It was in Special- the screen shot *I think* is on page 3 or 4-

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=4258.0

"Jack" definitely seems to be sporting a different tattoo on his left arm around his elbow that he didn't have in the pilot.* The original ones were all Matthew Fox's, but this new multi-colored one isn't so clear.* Is is Jack's or Matthew's?

We looked into that and Jack does have that big tattoo down arm you can barely see it in the pilot episode but part of it shows. The first time I saw it I thought it was a cut or something.

I remember the other one. Sawyer is obviously right handed, he pointed the gun at Ethan with his right hand and does everything else right handed. EXCEPT when he shot the polar bear, he was holding the gun in his left hand. Yes, he could be ambidextrous, but most people do things better with one hand than the other. I think shooting a gun would fall into this category. You would not think about it, just get ready

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-18-318.html

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-817.html

I was hoping but Sawyer is a lefty in both screen caps

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-238-838.html Ethan dying

Interesting disolve.

It switched arms while fighting Ethan.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=238&pos=791

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=238&pos=793


Hmm. First time I've seen the arm switching tattoo. Are we sure it's not mud, or maybe the color running from the sleeve of his shirt in the rain?

I think it's very cool that folks notice these details!

Templeton

Hmm.* First time I've seen the arm switching tattoo.* Are we sure it's not mud, or maybe the color running from the sleeve of his shirt in the rain?

I think it's very cool that folks notice these details!

Templeton


I know the 2nd screen cap isn't completely clear but it's Jack's tattoo.

The case of the moving tattoo and Sawyer holding the gun in his left hand can easily be solved.

The images have been reversed, or mirrored.....

Left
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/StarofthePlanets/leftgun.jpg

Right
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/StarofthePlanets/rightgun.jpg

Left
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/StarofthePlanets/Left.jpg

Right
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/StarofthePlanets/right1.jpg

Left
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/StarofthePlanets/Leftarm.jpg

Right
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v61/StarofthePlanets/rightarm.jpg

The case of the moving tattoo and Sawyer holding the gun in his left hand can easily be solved.

The images have been reversed, or mirrored.....


I think you're right. It's easy for an amateur to do in Photoshop, and presumably even easier for film editors when they're putting together various shots for the final cut.

Templeton

I saw one episode where Kate's hair was a little out of place, they cut to Jack, and then they cut to Kate and then it was really out of place??? Maybe she's the one to die :lol2:. Seriously folks, I hate being a theory basher... but NOT everything that happens on this show is a mystery. It was a simple goof, it happens on tv shows all the time, its not the end of the world to have a simple goof like a t shirt design going away. I remember an old brady bunch episode, that they had Peter with one shirt, they cut to a shot of the sisters, then back to peter and he had another diffrent shirt completely. At least Boone's shirt was a diffrent color.

I need to refer to this in the Mirror Images thread.

I remember another scene where Jack's filling a water bottle at the caves, with Kate, and his Tatoo is on the "wrong arm." I don't recall which episode offhand, sorry, but I do recall it was near the end of the episode. I figured it was just reversed footage.


And this is completely off-topic, but SeanSmythe...the Hurley odds...I don't know about that! In case you hadn't noticed, the guy basically can't die by accident. Or so it seems.

In regards to Jack's tattoo, I went through and fliped the screen caps in paint shop. It is just as easy to flip the film in editing. I believe that is a mistake. As for the big dipper, it could be the same thing. But I have no explanation for Boone's t-shirt.

Boones T-Shirt always seemed obvious to me, he went to his bag soley to change his top.

Shannon starts talking to him while he is rumaging through his bag....then EDIT...conversation skips a beat. Boone has already put the top on that he just pulled out of the bag and Shannon is responding and reacting to a completely different question.

Maybe we will be shown this deleted scene with the rest of the conversation one day, or it is no longer canon and would contradict future stories.

Sure it looks silly, but its by no means a plot, hint or technical screw up.
The editing on LOST has always been rather poor for this shows level of popularity and budget.

Another blantant editting mistake is in the final boarding scenes of Exodus. Watch the 3 Sayid appearances closely. The first shot has him already staring at Nadias photo, then the next he takes it out of his bag. These scenes are all completely shuffled.

Boones T-Shirt always seemed obvious to me, he went to his bag soley to change his top.

Shannon starts talking to him while he is rumaging through his bag....then EDIT...conversation skips a beat. Boone has already put the top on that he just pulled out of the bag and Shannon is responding and reacting to a completely different question.

Maybe we will be shown this deleted scene with the rest of the conversation one day, or it is no longer canon and would contradict future stories.

Sure it looks silly, but its by no means a plot, hint or technical screw up.
The editing on LOST has always been rather poor for this shows level of popularity and budget.

Another blantant editting mistake is in the final boarding scenes of Exodus. Watch the 3 Sayid appearances closely. The first shot has him already staring at Nadias photo, then the next he takes it out of his bag. These scenes are all completely shuffled. Man you are so wrong!
To begin with there are only 2 shots of Sayid, not 3.
The first shot:
Sayid seats, man to his left looks at him, Sayid looks back (Nadia's photo can clearly bee seen in his shirt pocket).
The second shot:
Sayid takes the photo from his shirt pocket and looks at it.
If you want to be impressed with attention to details on this show, watch Hurley's T shirt soaked with sweat, on the boarding scene. Go back to the shot where he nearly misses the plane, and compare the sweat marks.

Man you are so wrong!
To begin with there are only 2 shots of Sayid, not 3.
The first shot:
Sayid seats, man to his left looks at him, Sayid looks back (Nadia's photo can clearly bee seen in his shirt pocket).
The second shot:
Sayid takes the photo from his shirt pocket and looks at it.
If you want to be impressed with attention to details on this show, watch Hurley's T shirt soaked with sweat, on the boarding scene. Go back to the shot where he nearly misses the plane, and compare the sweat marks.

Incorrect !

Your missing the first scene.

Look closely at the shot of Sawyer walking down the aisle.
Who does he hit with his bag? Sayid.
What is in Sayids hand? The photo.

Sayid is in the same pose as the final shot, arm out to his right looking at photo.

This is a shot many people dont see at all the first time through. :)

Incorrect !

Your missing the first scene.

Look closely at the shot of Sawyer walking down the aisle.
Who does he hit with his bag? Sayid.
What is in Sayids hand? The photo.

Sayid is in the same pose as the final shot, arm out to his right looking at photo.

This is a shot many people dont see at all the first time through. :)
Are you pointing to the man who turns around and looks at Sawyer's back as he passes?
I cannot say for sure it's Sayid, plus I cannot see anything in his hand.

Yes. He glares back at Sawyer afterwards.

The photo is pointing directly at the camera, you can see the image and confirm it is the same photo.

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I had to ask to get this thread resurrected from the graveyard.
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Where do you want to go with this thread, Sam?

By the way- the characters on Boones Tshirt are the symbols for 8-10-4, in either Chinese or Japanese. We all know what 810 is but the number 4 any ideas?

Well, I've got it the other way round - 4 is one of the Numbers, but 810 ? Are you confusing it with 815?

I think most of these are continuity errors but I do have a theory about one.

In the Freighties episode, when Miles goes to "excorcise" the house. He walks up the stairs and looks at the picture and sees one kind of frame, but when he comes down there is another type of frame.

It's been theorized that Miles cant actually talk to dead people, but that he talks through time. I think when he went up stairs and talked to the "ghost" he was actually talking to him through time, which slightly changed time. The picture frame changed but the kid was still dead, he couldnt change that. Like the lady told Desmond "Time has a way of resolving itself"

When he was talking to Naomi's body he was talking backwards, kinda like the whispers. What if the whispers are actually people talking through time which changes the course of history slightly but not severly.

Maybe I'm over analyzing it but those are my thoughts.

In the Freighties episode, when Miles goes to "excorcise" the house. He walks up the stairs and looks at the picture and sees one kind of frame, but when he comes down there is another type of frame.

It's been theorized that Miles cant actually talk to dead people, but that he talks through time. I think when he went up stairs and talked to the "ghost" he was actually talking to him through time, which slightly changed time.
You've thought this out nicely, I like it.
...imo, the changing picture frames would be more of a hint for the viewers than an indication that time slightly changed.

I hope you're right, Miles just talking to ghosts is too trite for me, since it's been done on every network the past couple of seasons, I hope Lost puts a different spin on it.

By the way- the characters on Boones Tshirt are the symbols for 8-10-4, in either Chinese or Japanese. We all know what 810 is but the number 4 any ideas?
The Dr Pepper numbers are 10 (AM), 2 (PM), and 4 (PM), so maybe this is the oriental variation of Dr Pepper.

Episode "Eggtown"

When Locke threws the tray towards the cement wall, it wobbles.

Conclusion: Since no cement wall would act like that, it means John has a hiding power to bend time and space.

I saw that too. :biggrin: You can only do so much on a sound stage.

I work in theatre all the time and its something we dread. Wobbly walls, you need to have a very solid stage.

Re: Wobbly Walls. YOu can see that quite often, especially on sitcoms when whoever gets ticked and slams out of a room....EARTHQUAKE!!! LOL

This may not be entirely relevant, or at all useful, but I thought it was interesting. Re Boone's shirt with the Chinese characters, the characters do mean "84" but individually the way each character is written has meaning too.

the first character means "8" - but its pictograph represents a division or to separate something

the second character is "10" - but its pictograph represents the four directions and the center

The third character alone means "4" - but the pictograph for the number 4 is a square divided in parts.


Put together they are "84" but the component characters' meanings are interesting. (Its nice being able to use my Chinese language skills for once!)

Thank You zoobirdie

Separating them the way you did, means so much more now.

I think most of these are continuity errors but I do have a theory about one.

In the Freighties episode, when Miles goes to "excorcise" the house. He walks up the stairs and looks at the picture and sees one kind of frame, but when he comes down there is another type of frame.

It's been theorized that Miles cant actually talk to dead people, but that he talks through time. I think when he went up stairs and talked to the "ghost" he was actually talking to him through time, which slightly changed time. The picture frame changed but the kid was still dead, he couldnt change that. Like the lady told Desmond "Time has a way of resolving itself"

When he was talking to Naomi's body he was talking backwards, kinda like the whispers. What if the whispers are actually people talking through time which changes the course of history slightly but not severly.

Maybe I'm over analyzing it but those are my thoughts.I like the idea that the Whisperers are people that are talking "though time"...that's a cool, great way to look at it...

As for Miles, I do believe that he can communicate with dead people. I don't think that he's a total fake. If he's talking through time, at which point in time is he reaching the now-dead people? Are they still alive when he's talking to them? Can they see him? I'm just wondering about the details...

The painting of the woman with the hamster has changed.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/lucky4me8/com.jpg (Thanks lucky4me8)