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I have to admit, the entire minature airplane thing annoys me, because I can't figure out why the writers put it there. :-X

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I don't think the plane has any deep significance to the plot other than what it is....something that Kate obviously treasures. It is from her past, and I am sure we will find out more about it at a later date. I am pretty sure it indirectly (or directly) is related to the reason why she is a fugitive. It is kind of interesting that it is an airplane....

Kinda off topic, but what do you all think....Kate is a fugitive (or on the run) because of the bank heist OR because of something that happened before the bank heist took place? I tend to believe the latter.

I have no idea what it is, if it's not just a keepsake. If it is just a keepsake, I must say, "Whatever the case may be" must be the single must annoying/stupid LOST episode yet.

I mean, it has to be something else. Why the hell would Jack care if she told him "There are some guns and some personal affects of mine in there"? Why would she feel the need to lie/steal/deceive to get that little stupid trinket, even if it was something with sentimental value? It wouldn't have any value to anyone else, so why would she think they wouldn't let her have it?

If they never return to this little trinket, or if it turns out to be only what they claim it is, I'll be annoyed. Talk about pointless.

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Kinda off topic, but what do you all think....Kate is a fugitive (or on the run) because of the bank heist OR because of something that happened before the bank heist took place? I tend to believe the latter.

I believe she was a fugitive before the bank heist, since she claims this plane belonged to the man she loved/killed... so clearly she had already killed him (she had the key to the safe deposit box), and wanted that plane. That's why she arranged the heist. So I'm guessing she was already wanted for that guy's death, was on the run, planned the robbery, and was busted shortly thereafter.

mean, it has to be something else. Why the hell would Jack care if she told him "There are some guns and some personal affects of mine in there"? Why would she feel the need to lie/steal/deceive to get that little stupid trinket, even if it was something with sentimental value? It wouldn't have any value to anyone else, so why would she think they wouldn't let her have it?

If they never return to this little trinket, or if it turns out to be only what they claim it is, I'll be annoyed. Talk about pointless.

I have already posted about this quite a while ago. I say of course you are right, Vertical. Nobody would go to that much trouble for a stupid toy plane. Therefore, that's not what Kate was after. Sawyer told us he could open any lock. I take him at his word. He DID manage to open the Halliburton before he gave it to Jack, took out whatever it was that Kate was REALLY after, and replaced it with that stupid toy plane. The only ones who know of this switcheroo are Sawyer and Kate. Both are keeping their mouths shut for their own reasons, which we don't yet know.

Luv
I am not throwing rocks at you I am just confused. :dizzy:( my constant state when contemplating LOST)
If Sawyer pulled a switcheroo wouldn't Kate be seeking him out to badger the heck out of him to get it back? or are you saying they are in collusion and conspiracy together? To hide what? from whom?
If he did open it I believe he saw the plane and went, " What the *&$@ !?"

If Kate is conspiring with anyone on our island of mystery I don't think it's Sawyer. :whistling2:

The toy plane might have been left at the bank as a signal that something happened or was about to happen and only Kate would know what it meant.

However that still doesn't explain all the song and dance about the case.

I have no idea what it is, if it's not just a keepsake. If it is just a keepsake, I must say, "Whatever the case may be" must be the single must annoying/stupid LOST episode yet.

I finally convinced someone who abandoned Lost to give it another shot, and that's the episode that was running when they chose to watch it again.* Aggghhh!*

If it's just a keepsake the plot was idiotic.* I don't think the writers are idiots, so I choose to believe it means something.* Even if it's just a signal to Kate.

That's an interesting theory about Sawyer actually making the switcheroo before she opened the case... I'm not sure that I buy it, but it made me think and I like the different angle of it.

Did you guys see Traffic (the movie) where Catherine Zeta Jones' character used dolls to traffic the drugs over the border and you needed a special solvent to turn the solid dolls back into drugs?

Maybe it was something like that, and Kate's ex was some sort of drug trafficer as well?

I'm grasping at straws here......

I finally convinced someone who abandoned Lost to give it another shot, and that's the episode that was running when they chose to watch it again. Aggghhh!

Hehehe. That sucks. Even for a lot of hardcore lost fans, that episode was just downright dull.

The thing that makes me think it has nothing to do with money -- or at least, that amount of money -- is that she could have gone ahead and robbed the bank itself at that point if all she wanted was money. *But then I have no idea what kind of street value an amount of drugs the size of a plane would bring in.

(So true, Vertical!* *:laugh:* It was bad enough for rabid fans, there was NO chance it was going to bring someone back into the fold.)

Oh, and I don't have an idea about that either doll, believe me (drug trafficing).
I get all my worldly knowledge from DVD-land. :angel:

Luv, I am not throwing rocks at you I am just confused.* :dizzy:( my constant state when contemplating LOST)
If Sawyer pulled a switcheroo wouldn't Kate be seeking him out to badger the heck out of him to get it back? or are you saying they are in collusion and conspiracy together? To hide what? from whom?
If he did open it I believe he saw the plane and went, " What the *&$@ !?"
If Kate is conspiring with anyone on our island of mystery I don't think it's Sawyer. :whistling2:

There is not collusion between them. They both know the plane is not what Kate was after, but neither one is voicing that. Kate can't admit it because whateveritis is something incriminating. And Sawyer is just biding his time to use it to gain advantage for himself. ;)

"It belongs to the man i loved
It belongs to the man i killed"

What is strong enough to make someone set up a robbery only to get back a toy ?

And if it's a signal, would it mean "We have a go for operation Flight 815" ?
That would imply :
1) Since she's not on the signatory card, maybe "the man she loved" was the one to receive the signal, he died, and she had to do the job herself
2) She's involved in the whole thing, and that's why she don't want anyone to find out about the toy

Maybe i think too much, but there's a lot of time til the next ep and i need my lost-fix ! :D

So you think Kate engineered the plane crash? ???

So you think Kate engineered the plane crash?

Not at all, this is just what came to my mind when someone spoke about a signal, but i don't believe the plane crash was engineered, or at least not the way we would think.

I clicked on the "keepsake" option, BUT I think it will turn out to be more than that. I don't think Kate knows what other role it serves to fill, but I think it will end up connected to the island, much to her surprise (like Hurley's numbers!). What with the fact that the first episode of the season post-pilot having been a Kate flashback and the last one pre-finale also being a Kate flashback, I get a strong feeling that, in her 3rd flashback ep, they will both A) show what it was that she's a fugitive for [and, in doing this, hopefully shed some light on her past in a way that she doesn't seem quite so reprefrigginhensible], and B) tie it into her purpose on the island.

Some things I've noticed about Kate, after last night's rerun:

- Kate, of all the flashback-havin' regulars, is having the hardest time embracing the new life the island is giving her, and is also having the hardest time looking back on her past and learning/growing from it

- there is a definite parallel between Kate and Danielle, in that they've both had to kill the man they loved; the difference is, with Danielle/Robert, we know exactly why it turned out that way, as opposed to how it was with Kate/????

- she's a total tomboy!

Hehehe. That sucks. Even for a lot of hardcore lost fans, that episode was just downright dull.


I missed this episode when it first aired and was glad to see that it was one of the reruns during this hiatus. Now I know I didn't miss that much.

- Kate, of all the flashback-havin' regulars, is having the hardest time embracing the new life the island is giving her, and is also having the hardest time looking back on her past and learning/growing from it



That is a very interesting point, and now that you have brought it to my attention. It seems as though Kate move past her past (heh). Interestingly, enough it might have to do with a few things A) she is just too overwrought with guilty and cannot forgive herself B) doesn't think she did anything wrong OR
C) there hasn't been an occasion to.....I think the reason that a lot of people (me included) had a hard time with this episode is that it didn't really deal with day to day life on the island. For instance, when Jack has a flashback, you can clearly see WHY he is having that flashback (eg. trying to save Charlie's life in much the same way as he tried to save the patient that his father fatally injured). There is no reason on the island for Kate to have these flashback's other than to just tell the viewer about Kate's life pre-crash. While that is all good, it is hard to believe that we would be getting this knowledge if it didn't relate to the survivors current situation. This is partly the reason why it is just a keepsake from her past. Lots of the characters have them, Sawyer has the letter, Sayid has his picture of Nadia. Obviously, I think it has a great deal to do with what happened to Kate and why she was on the run, but beyond that, I think it is just there to remind her everyday of her past.

First of all, may I say hello to slestack, who like me apparently, was another childhood devotee to "Land of the Lost"* *;D


Some things I've noticed about Kate, after last night's rerun:

- Kate, of all the flashback-havin' regulars, is having the hardest time embracing the new life the island is giving her, and is also having the hardest time looking back on her past and learning/growing from it

- there is a definite parallel between Kate and Danielle, in that they've both had to kill the man they loved; the difference is, with Danielle/Robert, we know exactly why it turned out that way, as opposed to how it was with Kate/????

- she's a total tomboy!



I think Kate is doing just fine embracing her new life.* She is very shady and hard to read.* So, we don't REALLY know what she is thinking.* *:-\
We have to know WHOM Kate killed before we know WHY she killed him.* This could be resolved in next 3 epis.* * :-X
Yes, she is a total tomboy.* * :)

Ok, now I am going to kvetch about this repeat epi - what annoys me the most is that when they show the people in the water they do not look real, they are barely decomposed, there is no bloat, no blackness - not believable.* *And the guy they dig up is more decomposed.* *Did anyone else think that was odd?

And as Jack and Sayid brought up, the tide came in rather strangely.*

Too many implausibilities.

Also, looking at it now for clues is one thing, but when it came out, I remember being somewhat shocked by Kate being such a gun moll.* Didn't think she was so cold in the beginning.

"It belongs to the man i loved
It belongs to the man i killed"

What is strong enough to make someone set up a robbery only to get back a toy ?

And if it's a signal, would it mean "We have a go for operation Flight 815" ?
That would imply :
1) Since she's not on the signatory card, maybe "the man she loved" was the one to receive the signal, he died, and she had to do the job herself
2) She's involved in the whole thing, and that's why she don't want anyone to find out about the toy

Maybe i think too much, but there's a lot of time til the next ep and i need my lost-fix !* :D


It doesn't have to have anything to do with the flight. It could mean..."XXX has happned or is about to happen.. Meet me in Australia' or whatever.

Also, looking at it now for clues is one thing, but when it came out, I remember being somewhat shocked by Kate being such a gun moll.

The thing that struck me the most in that episode was what a really, really good liar Kate is.* Really really good.*

It doesn't have to have anything to do with the flight. It could mean..."XXX has happned or is about to happen.. Meet me in Australia' or whatever.

Sure.
I only tried to put the signal idea and the crash together in a (silly) theory.
Nothing indicates there's a connection between the toy and the crash, but nothing indicates there's not.

not only is she a good liar, but did you see that slight of hand with the key?

she should be a magician!!!!!

At the very end, did anyone see the numbers on the wings of the plane? Maybe they are related to Hurley's numbers, but if not, there has to be some significance to the numbers on the wings......or at least I would think

not only is she a good liar, but did you see that slight of hand with the key?

she should be a magician!!!!!*


True!* She's a good liar, a good magician... she's "dangerous"....* and yet she manages to convey an overall impression of tomboyish goodygoody girl.*

But she's slick, and you have to wonder what else she's been slick about.

At the very end, did anyone see the numbers on the wings of the plane? Maybe they are related to Hurley's numbers, but if not, there has to be some significance to the numbers on the wings......or at least I would think

The numbers were 5025.

The numbers were 5025.


Hmmmmm, that has to be a clue

Ok, I'm going to use this thread to rant about my problems with Whatever the Case.

0. A minor gripe I just remembered... If the Marshall checked the case, wouldn't it have been in the cargo hold, not underneath anonymous dead guy's seat? What's the deal with THAT?!

1. She said the case was hers. She had it in her hands. She obviously wanted it, or whatever was inside it. So, of course, she gives it to Sawyer. Wait, what? She GIVES AWAY the thing she wanted, even though she ALREADY HAD IT?! Why give it away only to try to steal it back? Did she hope that Sawyer would be able to open it without the key so she wouldn't have to get Jack involved? No one else seemed to think he could, why would she?

2. LIES LIES LIES!! Why is Kate always lying about EVERYTHING for NO APPARENT REASON?! She knows Jack couldn't give two excrements about her past and whatever she did, the only reason he grills her for information at the end is BECAUSE she kept lying to him. She needs to seriously re-evaluate her trust issues now that she's on Karma Island, 'cuz if not it's all going to come back around. ;)

3. An interesting sidenote- She's talking about the Marshall, and starts to say "He-", then changes to "The Marshall"... as if she was trying to disguise any kind of relationship she and the Marshall previously had. This tells me she DEFINITELY knew him before he caught her in Australia.

4. The friggin' airplane. Oh my. So much trouble, and all for a friggin' busted toy plane. I feel like the writers said, "What should we put in the case that Kate would have wanted... Hmm... Let's just pick something out of a hat. Oh, cool, toy plane. That'll really #@(*$^ with their heads." The only significance it seems to have is that it's a plane, and they all crashed on a plane. Unless she can press a button and *POOF*, it's life-size, it seems pretty useless. Or maybe there's a plane shaped groove in the hatch and it turns out that's the key to opening it. Or maybe she's just really kinky and likes having strangely shaped objects-ok, I'll stop there, this is a family site...

I was highly disapointed with this episode. It had it's moments, but for the most part it was just filler. I think the most logical explanation for this episode is that it's the first episode after ABC ordered a BUNCH more episodes, and JJ & crew said, "Crap! Who can we do a completely useless flashback of that we can maybe tie in later, but has absolutely nothing to do with anything that's going on right now?" So much of the episode was clunky, it didn't seem as well thought out as episodes usually are.

And yes, I certainly think that she was on the run before the bank heist, especially since the episode shouldn't have existed in the first place, and her real crime will be shown some other time.

And Kato, she sure is slick. A little too slick, if you ask me. My theory on her is that she was a US Marshall too, as was her husband/man-she-loved/man-she-killed. The guy that caught her was his best friend. Still doesn't explain that frickin' plane. Or, maybe they were all members of SD-6, working undercover as US Marshalls, working undercover as magicians? I dunno. Whatever the case may be, the plane may be stupid, but I hope they make Kate likable again. I used to like her, I did, and then she became a @$(*^. *:(

My thoughts about above post from samurai

0. My thoughts exactly!!!
1. I think she did that to psych Sawyer out into thinking it was something that was not valuable.
2. She's an untrustworthy person. So, she thinks EVERYONE is lying to her, until she can suss them out better.
3. I thought the same thing. I wonder if HE was the man she loved?
4. No there is something definitely up. That is what this board is about. It is not just a memento. Can't be.

I suspect she is some sort of military intelligence chick or spy or cop. Something is definitely rotten in denmark with her. I agree.

But I still like Kate. :lol2:

I did notice that Kate pulled the same "I don't know how to use a gun" (or something like that) after Sawyer shot the polar bear as she did in the bank vault during her flashback.


artnfilm-I really enjoyed Land of the Lost when I was growing up. *One of my favorites.

3. I thought the same thing. I wonder if HE was the man she loved?

But she didn't kill him, Sawyer tried, and Jack did.
And when you love someone, even if you know he's gonna die and there's nothing you can do, you'll try anything to save his life.

I may be the voice crying out in the wilderness here, but I think the little plane is going to turn out to be immensely significant. One of those jaw-dropping moments where we'll all go, "whoa, I never saw that one coming. These writers are brilliant!"

Or not... :angel:

Templeton

Hey, more power to them if they wind up shocking the @)$(* out of me- I won't complain.

But I'm still keeping my expectations low, it's harder to be disappointed that way. :laugh:

OK, here's some speculation on how the plane could possibly hold significance that could explain Kate's actions to acquire it, even though it seems like such a worthless trinket.

Perhaps up until that moment, Kate wasn't sure what was in that envelope? Perhaps even while robbing the bank, she wasn't sure what was in it. Perhaps that's why she was robbing the bank - to find out what was in the envelope. If she was arrested and taken into custody shortly after the robbery, perhaps she didn't have a chance to open it to find out. If she herself was uncertain what was in the envelope, she couldn't very well have told Jack what was in it, and in order for her to explain it to him, she would have had to have explained how she robbed the bank, and how she never found out what was in the envelope.

I don't know what significance the plane has to her, but perhaps this 'man' left it there for her, knowing she would rob it. Now this is lame dialog, and I haven't given it much of an attempt to flesh the situation out, but just imagine a situation where Kate and this man were in a relationship, she thinks he's doing something behind her back, maybe he's working long hours, and Kate is suspicious or something... She follows him, maybe sees him making travel arrangements for two, but it's nothing she knows about, so she assumes he's cheating or something, she sees him go to the bank, drop something in a safe deposit box, but doesn't know what it is... she thinks maybe it's some sort of jewelry for another woman, I don't know, something that upsets her... So she confronts him, he gives her some story about how he was planning surprise trip with her to ... maybe Australia? She doesn't believe him, stabs him/shoots him/fatally wounds him... he's confused, startled, dying... saying how the proof is in the safe deposit box, and how whatever it is that's in the box was something he was going to give her to clue her in to their trip... He dies...

She takes the key to the safe deposit box, but since her name's not on the box, she can't open it... so she devises this scheme to get into it, gets busted, never gets a chance to open it... She manages to escape after she is arrested, flees to Australia, not ever having found out what was in that envelope... Then we know how she gets caught in Australia, and perhaps the Marshall brought her personal affects with him (weak, I know... but I can't figure out how else it would have gotten into his possession at that point in time without her having seen what was in the envelope yet)... The plane goes down, and we know the rest... when she finally sees the case again, in the water, she can't believe her eyes. She's determined to get in there and find out finally if the man she loved/killed was telling her the truth... and she can't tell Jack or Sawyer what's in it, because she doesn't know, and she can't explain why she doesn't know without revealing her past, so she lies.

When she finally sees that it's just a model plane, she realizes that her man had been telling her the truth all along, and that he really did love her, and that she killed him for no reason...

Well, that's my best guess, anyway.

Ummm, Vertical, I don't think Kate is the jealous type..........she is too cold and calculating.

No, but I think you are right. This may explain why she is holding the plan up at the end of the epi and twirling it around. Maybe she was put up to rob the bank with the man she killed and she thought it was going to be something more valuable.

Maybe she was disappointed.

Jealous people can be cold and calculating.

I may be the voice crying out in the wilderness here, but I think the little plane is going to turn out to be immensely significant.* One of those jaw-dropping moments where we'll all go, "whoa, I never saw that one coming.* These writers are brilliant!"

Or not...* :angel:

Templeton




Me too. The idea that the plane is "just in there to mess with us" is ludicrous in my opinion. The staff has managed to fool, surprise, tease, excite, confuse and BEGIN to piece together the puzzle......Have some more faith people

Oh, I have faith that they'll explain it more later, but that won't make that episode ("Whatever the case may be") any more interesting, really.

Oh, I have faith that they'll explain it more later, but that won't make that episode ("Whatever the case may be") any more interesting, really.


It bothers me I don't know what it's about, so that episode kept my interest....well that and Kate swimming...and the beginning of the Sayid/Shannon relationship.

Yes, but the entire scenes devoted to Kate trying to get the case from Sawyer add nothing to the episode, really. I suppose you could say that they wanted her to have to ask Jack for help so that they could put her in a situation to deceive him about it, but it's just written so ... slowly... I mean, nothing really happens for most of the episode.

However, I concur that the swimming scene is well worth it. :D

Yes, but the entire scenes devoted to Kate trying to get the case from Sawyer add nothing to the episode, really. I suppose you could say that they wanted her to have to ask Jack for help so that they could put her in a situation to deceive him about it, but it's just written so ... slowly... I mean, nothing really happens for most of the episode.

However, I concur that the swimming scene is well worth it. :D


I see your point.

JJ has those great little "guy scenes". Kate swimming was great, but did you get a chance to see the Alias last season or the season before when Jennifer garner was on the plane in black lace bra and panties. She comes out of the room in slow motion to AC/DC's "Back in Black"...then the guy tells her he wants the red lace bra and panties and we get to watch the slow motion all over :punk: JJ gets an "Atta Boy" for that opening scene. Crap I got drool on my keyboard

That's ok.
We chicks got to see Sawyer half naked.
That's all that matters. ;D

Yea, i was wondering if the ladies felt like they got the short end of the stick there? We got bikini panties, you got jeans

you got a tank top.

we got naked chest

Oh Yea....hey, we got jipped! :lol2:

Ummm, Vertical, I don't think Kate is the jealous type..........she is too cold and calculating.

No, but I think you are right.* This may explain why she is holding the plan up at the end of the epi and twirling it around.* Maybe she was put up to rob the bank with the man she killed and she thought it was going to be something more valuable.

Maybe she was disappointed.


I agree with artnfilm - I don't think Kate really knows what the significance of the toy plane was... Since she was not on the signatory card, someone must have lead her to believe that there was something of significance in the lockbox at the bank... which, it turned out, was just a toy plane. I don't think we have seen/heard the last of the toy plane!

Maybe something inside the toy plane? A microchip, or some other "alias" inspired device. A camera with incriminating pictures?? This could be fun to speculate on.... ;)

Since the first time the episode aired, I've been convinced that the plane has to have a greater significance than what we're seeing right now. It's just such a silly little thing that it has to mean more.

So this is what I came up with: what if Kate was on some sort of scavenger hunt? Maybe she was trying to avenge the death of the man she loved, or she was trying to get someplace to save him. A toy plane would be the perfect thing for someone to taunt her with. It also explains why she had to set up the whole heist just to get into the bank box. Whoever was setting up the scavenger hunt could have sent her the key, but not the signature sheet; or maybe she just got the key in the last stage.

So what of the plane? I think the plane led her to Australia. I think it was a hint for her to take a trip somewhere.

So what of the plane? I think the plane led her to Australia. I think it was a hint for her to take a trip somewhere.


In the scene where Kate was talking to Sun at the garden she mentioned going to Bali?? (not sure) to explore the islands. Maybe the next stop in her scavenger hunt?

Then again, she is on the lam and maybe just trying to keep one step ahead of the law by traveling alot. But how is she financing all these trips? More questions.... :unsure:

If she even went to Bali... It's not like she's never lied before. :P

But it's an interesting idea nonetheless... Obviously the plane will end up having some deeper meaning, I'm just hoping it will be good. They've been doing great so far. I think most of my apprehension about what significance the plane will have is mostly based on my ho-hum feelings about the episode in general. But I always have faith that they'll pull something cool out in the end.

And if they don't, ehh... They're allowed to miss a couple. I'll forgive them. :D

If she even went to Bali... It's not like she's never lied before. :P


I agree..Kate lies quite a bit. But at the time she didn't know Sun understood english, so why lie then? She had an opportunity to be honest without anyone else around but a Korean lady that didn't understand english. (So Kate thought ;) )
Now she seems to be courting Sun's friendship..maybe to find out how much she knows from overhearing conversations?
i.e.: Kate: Jack, I need your help, you're the only one who knows about me And Sun was standing right there within hearing.

But that little airplane better mean something, and I believe it does. I have faith in the writers too! :laugh:

Whoever brought up the fact with the flashbacks not seeming to 'jive' with the present day island events is right. We can see other flashbacks sort of 'dove tail' like that. Claire for instance . Charlie says he will never leave her and she zaps back to a memory of her baby's dad who promises to stay with her but leaves her. Jack is upset that he couldn't save someone because of someone's else's actions. Charlie's taking extreme measures because of his failure to take care of Lucy . Locke's desire to break away from his ho hum existence and do somethinge extraordinary...etc etc.

With "case' we just can't see it. Or at least I can't.

The plane does mean something. They will have to come back to it or we will bring it up every chance we get as long as the show is in production.... ;D

The plane does mean something. They will* have* to come back to it or we will bring it up every chance we get as long as the show is in production.... ;D


LOL. That, I don't doubt.

"JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof, co-creators of the hit ABC show Lost were attacked yesterday by a mob of angry, screaming fans. It seems they were saying something about a 'plane', a 'case', and the phrase 'load of horse manure'. Oh, those crazy Lost fans. Now here's Rick with the weather."

"JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof, co-creators of the hit ABC show Lost were attacked yesterday by a mob of angry, screaming fans. It seems they were saying something about a 'plane', a 'case', and the phrase 'load of horse manure'. Oh, those crazy Lost fans. Now here's Rick with the weather."


:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Right up there with the great fangirl riot. (see my sig)

:lol2:

i really like the scavenger hunt theory

that would fit a lot with what JJ does in Alias

Sydney would fly halfway round the world to break into a safe, retreive infos that will lead her halfway round the world again to get another clue, etc etc

So let's say that Kate was CIA, the Marshall could have been another CIA agent sent to retrieve her under a Marshall identity, they may even have known each other
The fact that the suitcase was tucked under some passenger seats would reinforce the theory that the Marshall was not a real Marshall. I really don't know about that but acording to what we are used to seeing on tv shows and movies, placing a case full of guns under a random passenger's seat would fit the secret agent picture more than the real marshall's picture
Also when the marshall told Kate that he hoped that they'd believe her, it sounded more that Kate was to face a "senate comitee" (or something like that rather than a jury
Or a bit like when Kendall interrogated Syd in Alias

the only thing i can't make a sense of, is that if the marshall was really extracting a supposed rogue agent, why would they take a regular passenger plane and not an army or private plane ?

the only thing i can't make a sense of, is that if the marshall was really extracting a supposed rogue agent, why would they take a regular passenger plane and not an army or private plane ?


To keep his identity a secret?

Ha! I just started watching Alias: Season 1 this week. I never made this connection. ;) Cool.

Maybe the supposed marshal and Kate were on the same scavenger hunt but Kate wanted to use whatever it lead to for good and the marshal for bad or maybe even the other way around which would explain why he said she's dangerous. Or maybe the marshal was just a lackey for someone very powerful on the same hunt and he was taking her back to him with the clue to figure it out.

In one of Claire's nightmare she's running away and stumbles upon a baby's crib, above which hangs a mobile with miniature Oceanic planes. Weren't they like the one Kate was holding?

No. Kate's plane was different.

Maybe something inside the toy plane?* A microchip, or some other "alias" inspired device.* A camera with incriminating pictures??* This could be fun to speculate on.... ;)


A device to use on the hatch, and Kates father got her involved somehow, and the plane was also a message on where to go next (scavenger hunt theory).