That last scene blew me away. Could Sayid have been working for Ben for awhile now? what is Sayid's connection to Naomi? They way he keeps looking at her and covering her up it almost seems like the may have been lovers at some point. It sure doesn't seem like someone he had just met.

Maybe he's "the Mole" that everyone posts about? It's an interesting thought that Sayid and Ben could have been in cohoots. However, sayid did say tonight that he wouldn't trust anything Ben said and that the day he did, he would ahve sold his soul...interesting...

Maybe he's "the Mole" that everyone posts about? It's an interesting thought that Sayid and Ben could have been in cohoots. However, sayid did say tonight that he wouldn't trust anything Ben said and that the day he did, he would ahve sold his soul...interesting...

Yeah it didn't seem like Sayid was too happy with arrangement he had with Ben. Sayid may have very well gone to the dark side and this comment hints at that possibility.

Okay wait is there anyway to rewatch that last shot with Ben...didn't Ben say something that may have implied Sayid is being FORCED to do this? To protect someone??

Knowing Ben I can see him telling Sayid something like this: "I know where Nadia is. She's safe, and I can help you locate her. But first, I need you to do some work for me."

But then with all the publicity the oceanic 6 will get, wouldn't Nadia come running to him? Makes me wonder if Nadia is in some sort of trouble.

If Ben had a man on the boat, is it possible (this entails 815 being a complete setup somehow) that Sayid was Ben's man on Flight 815? We already knew Sayid was an "agent" of sorts which is how he got to Syndey in the first place. He also got pulled aside by airport security in Sydney after Shannon outed him about leaving his bag unattended - but then was let go and apologized to. What if he and Ben were somehow in cahoots from the start? Is that even possible?

I'm onboard with Sayid is a mole.

I thought he said something about doing it to save his friends.

Yes Ian, that's what I thought!

remember, it was kelvin who trained sayid to be a torturer in the first place.

kelvin was dharma.

ben was dharma.

we need a kelvin FB to see his path to the swan station.

I thought he said something about doing it to save his friends.

Yes Ian, that's what I thought!

Yes. I agree.
I think Sayid is working for Ben to "keep his friends" THOSE LEFT BEHIND ON THE

ISLAND SAFE. He is no traitor, I think he the only protection they (those left on the

Island) have after all Hurley and Jack have fallen apart and Kate appears to be living

the good life, who knows what Desmond is doing that leaves Sayid to save the day.

I wondered if Sayid was going to turn out to be the spy on the ship too. Its just really hard to see Sayid with Ben for any reason. Oh and Ben did say to Sayid: You do want to save your people: whether or not that refers to the people left on the island remains to be seen.

There is no way Sayid was a mole this whole time. Sayid beat Ben in the hatch behind a closed door so there was no way he was even putting on a show for anyone. That was an intense scene, both physically and emotionally. Plus he went out of his way to prove Ben's "Henry Gale" story was fake and thus exposing him.

I think this episode shows that Sayid has made the decision to now start working for Ben once he gets off the island.

Knowing Ben I can see him telling Sayid something like this: "I know where Nadia is. She's safe, and I can help you locate her. But first, I need you to do some work for me."

But then with all the publicity the oceanic 6 will get, wouldn't Nadia come running to him? Makes me wonder if Nadia is in some sort of trouble.

I thin k you are on the right track re:Nadia. I'd bet that Sayid found her, told her something that he shouldn't have told her and she ended up being killed. Which would be the whole -'the last time you thought with your heart instead of your gun'. Or maybe Nadia and Sayid ended up on opposite sides of whatever this war is and he had to kill her?

kelvin was dharma.


I realize that this doesn't mean that it isn't true, but wasnt Dharma wiped out by Ben and the others long before Kelvin was there? Roger seemed pretty decomposed. Also, he lied about the virus.

yeah, i dont really have any answers, just trying to draw connections.

okay...I do beleive that Said IS WORKING for Ben. Why? Blackmail...he does know (or will find out) that Said is a trained assassin. So wouldn't you think that Ben would use that (or any other resource) to his advantage for his 'Big Agenda'?...Which I beleive is to irradicate anyone associated with DHARMA and HANSO. Why? Think about it...He was brought to the 'Island' by his old man and was forced to live the DHARAMA life. He probably saw (and heard of) so many 'experiments' that lead him to the 'extinction' with the help of the "others".REMEMBER there are still supply drops which inturn mean there is communication with the 'ouside' world. NOT ONLY THAT but not to mention the picture of BEN THAT was of him in an AIRPORT and all the PASSPORTS (He's been EVERYEHERE!) to back that up....Ben has been leaving the island on a regular basis...WHY? dunno...but whatever 'It' is it sure has Jack and Hurley wanting to go back...

***SORRY for SP error...Said=Sayid***

I think Ben and Sayid are working together out of a commond goal, to get those left behind rescued, who knows maybe Alex got left behind, she is the one thing Ben cares about. In order to do that the people Sayid is killing are members of the group behind the freighter who have to die in order for them to return. Sayid is doing this reluctantly. Ben told him don't you want to protect your friends. I don't think Ben is threatening them, but the freighter group is. When he says, don't you want to protect your friends he is also refering to the members of the Oceanic 6, who given Hurley's visit with Abbadon are still threatened. Whatever happened on the island, it must have gone very, very bad for Sayid to work with Ben. I think they were beaten down and the lost whatever battle happened and now finally they're fighting back and want revenge, which is why Ben said Good when Sayid said they'll know I'm coming for them.

In Ben's manipulation, didn't he say that Sayid had to kill the list people to "protect" Sayid's people. That is what I felt.

Sayid was fantastic. My heart sunk when he got shot. Perfectly acted.

Yes Ian, that's what I thought!

I think Sayid thinks that he is protecting his friends. It is very possible that Ben is just using him AND very possible that his friends don't know that he's not a traitor. The may think he's changed sides, when he at least thinks, he hasn't.

Sayid knows how to fly helicopters (remember he was in the pilot seat and confirmed everything looked good?) and the look on his face when they where finally off the ground was one that looked as if he was about to take over that heli or meet with a rendezvous (ala Ben). Also he DID have some time with Ben (& Locke) in that room for him (Ben) to manipulate Sayid for his disposal...Also have we forgotten about the "Box"?...the one Ben was referring to that miraculously coughed up Locke's old man? Maybe they have stumbled across a "Fountain of Youth" type thing that also has some "Time Displacement" thing going on, OH yeah I forgot to mention the cloning projects we have learned about. Right?...

remember, it was kelvin who trained sayid to be a torturer in the first place.

kelvin was dharma.

ben was dharma.

we need a kelvin FB to see his path to the swan station.

That is a good catch. I always thought it was to coincidental that Kelvin was the guy trained Sayid. But, that's been a while back now ;)

I thought he said something about doing it to save his friends.

Yes Ian, that's what I thought!

Yes. I agree.
I think Sayid is working for Ben to "keep his friends" THOSE LEFT BEHIND ON THE

ISLAND SAFE. He is no traitor, I think he the only protection they (those left on the

Island) have after all Hurley and Jack have fallen apart and Kate appears to be living

the good life, who knows what Desmond is doing that leaves Sayid to save the day.

My first thought is that, knoqwing what we knownow about Ben's gloabl influence and his Island role, I think Ben is still in control of the Island and the Losties left behind. I think that the O6 are protecting Losties. But, that'll probably change next week :biggrin:.

There is no way Sayid was a mole this whole time. Sayid beat Ben in the hatch behind a closed door so there was no way he was even putting on a show for anyone. That was an intense scene, both physically and emotionally. Plus he went out of his way to prove Ben's "Henry Gale" story was fake and thus exposing him.

I think this episode shows that Sayid has made the decision to now start working for Ben once he gets off the island.

Or, keeping in theatrics...

I think Ben is proving he will do anything, including getting beaten for days, to get what he needs for his agenda. I tend to agree that scene seems to eliminate Sayid as the mole, but it could be twisted and shown to be the moment when Sayid firmly planted himself, in all his moleness, into the Losties camp.

I thought Sayid's reverence for Naomi's death was meant as a contrast to his life of murdering people after he gets off the island.

If Ben had a man on the boat, is it possible (this entails 815 being a complete setup somehow) that Sayid was Ben's man on Flight 815? We already knew Sayid was an "agent" of sorts which is how he got to Syndey in the first place. He also got pulled aside by airport security in Sydney after Shannon outed him about leaving his bag unattended - but then was let go and apologized to. What if he and Ben were somehow in cahoots from the start? Is that even possible?

I'm onboard with Sayid is a mole.

Perhaps then that comment about shooting with his heart or whatever referred to Shannon.

i can't back this up with anything but my strong gut feeling, but i feel sayid would NEVER betray the losties. remember, just a few episodes ago he decided to sacrifice his life, it need be, so the rest of them could get off the island. loyalty and committment are at the core of his identity. and that statement ben made at the end of this episode about protecting his friends tells me that if sayid and the other members of the oceanic 6 are keeping secrets and working with ben, they are doing it to protect the losties who remained behind.

I thought he said something about doing it to save his friends.

Yes Ian, that's what I thought!

Yes. I agree.
I think Sayid is working for Ben to "keep his friends" THOSE LEFT BEHIND ON THE

ISLAND SAFE. He is no traitor, I think he the only protection they (those left on the

Island) have after all Hurley and Jack have fallen apart and Kate appears to be living

the good life, who knows what Desmond is doing that leaves Sayid to save the day.
Is he keeping his friends on the Island safe or his friends in the O6 safe ??
It could be either. the mystery deepens.:eek2:

i can't back this up with anything but my strong gut feeling, but i feel sayid would NEVER betray the losties. remember, just a few episodes ago he decided to sacrifice his life, it need be, so the rest of them could get off the island. loyalty and committment are at the core of his identity. and that statement ben made at the end of this episode about protecting his friends tells me that if sayid and the other members of the oceanic 6 are keeping secrets and working with ben, they are doing it to protect the losties who remained behind.

Jack's sick of this lie, but we all kinda assumed too much. I think he desperately wishes there was another way to bring everyone home/go back to the Island for whatever reason, but a big red herring signal flashed during TBOTE when it's becoming clear that Abaddon/a nefarious entity is not making them lie, but they're lying TO this nefarious entity (and the rest of the world by extension).

The reason you mentioned up there is exactly why I don't think Sayid would ever betray the losties. The one thing that I could maybe sorta see them using aganist him successfully in exchange for his soul was Nadia but she's MIA in his future, so obviously that's not the "pay off" he took.

[quote=Claudia815;1762868]Jack's sick of this lie, but we all kinda assumed too much. I think he desperately wishes there was another way to bring everyone home/go back to the Island for whatever reason, but a big red herring signal flashed during TBOTE when it's becoming clear that Abaddon/a nefarious entity is not making them lie, but they're lying TO this nefarious entity (and the rest of the world by extension).
I agree here, I think the nefarious group is making them lie to the rest of the world because the nefarious group believes the other losties were killed in some future action taken by the freighties. But the Oceanic 6 are lying to the group to protect the losties. I think with Jack its a double edged sword, I think what he means in TBOTE is he wishes the truth about the misdeeds of Abbadon's group could come out. I think Abbadon's people are catching onto the fact that other losties might still be alive, thus his visit to Hurley and possibly because members of his organization keep getting murdered.

Well, I hope my first hunches will be confirmed because at the end of TTLG I kept wondering how we're going to end the show in 2010 with the same premises we were left with in 2007 (the first FF). There has to be more than the freighties are bad and you need to go back and live a wonderfully bucolic existence on the Island. I think the reason I'm struggling with it is because I've never seen the Island as a benevolent entity that's somehow a free ticket to redemption.

Sayid doesn't care about protecting Locke's Island anymore than Jack or Hurley do. But they have all constantly been shown as characters willing to sacrifice their own lives to protect the group of losties. Sayid was screaming at Jack through the walkie to let him die and not cave in front of Ben and I think he'd sell his soul to protect them as much as he'd give his life.

I don't know if this is considered a spoiler per se, but it is information that pertains to stuff we haven't seen yet, so here it goes. Matthew Fox was talking in recent episodes about what he knows about Jack's character arc. He said Damon told him how Jack got to TTLG and

...it has nothing to do with the rescue per se (which Hurley saying he's sorry he wasn't on Team Jack reinforces... cause Team Jack meant rescue anyway... so Hurley regrets the split of the group). He says Jack has become convinced that it was not his fate to leave because there is something he still must do on the Island. I find that fascinating given both his conversation about Destiny with Locke and the recent bombshell episode with Christian telling us "He has work to do." So it's not the rescue in itself.

I guess I could argue that Sayid did give up Miles and Kate to rescue Charlotte.

I'm guessing it's more than Ben just having something "on him" or that he is Ben's mole. Sayid has always been a soldier. He was a torturer. He is used to inflicting pain for the ideal of protecting the greater good. I think something that Sayid holds dear, an idea, Nadia, his freedom, etc., has been threatened and Sayid feels like he has no choice but to be Ben's hired gun.

who would sayid be a traitor to?
who are these friends of sayids ben speaks of?
where are these friends of sayids?
how is ben able to give protection to his friends?