So the CBS series Cane looks like a goner - they are not making any more episodes this season and it probably will be officially canceled soon, or at least by May. Is Darlton smart enough to snatch up Nestor Carbonell the second he is officially released from Cane?



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Hmm, this forum seemed dead to me - I hope the move to here doesn't keep people from replying.

Well, just one of the many shows the writer's strike made go off of the air! There is a long list of them. I hope we continue to see Richard on Lost, now that he's out of work we just may!

Good; I watched the pilot episode of Cane and was repulsed by what a soap-opera mess it was. But at the same time, I thought, "Oh, good, this won't last long and Lost will get Richard back." Hee hee.

Anyone have any clue if we will ever see him again?

Well in the aftermath of the strike, it was reported (http://www.variety.com/VR1117980756.html) that Cane will not be producing any more episodes this year. So there's a good chance he may show up in one or more of the last five episodes this season! It is still up in the air whether the show will be picked up for next season, however.

well I hope that happens, I dont think Damon/Carlton will just write him off though without a valid explanation.

Damon and Carlton had been saying that they hoped even if Cane continued they'd use Cane's connection to Disney (which owns both Cane and LOST) to allow Alpert back at least for a little while to wrap up what they needed to do with him. With Cane's status up in the air though I wouldn't be surprised if he returns as a recurring guest star again.

While I feel bad hoping for the failure of his show, I really, really want to see Richard back!

Don't you think it will be a little weird that we won't see the Temple at all during Season 4 due to Nestor's unavailability? its something I was looking forward to so much until I found out that it was shelved because of Nestor. I really hope Damon or Carlton address the Richard Alpert issue soon, they need to come up with some kind of gameplan, whether or not 'Cane' is cancelled.

Don't you think it will be a little weird that we won't see the Temple at all during Season 4 due to Nestor's unavailability? its something I was looking forward to so much until I found out that it was shelved because of Nestor. I really hope Damon or Carlton address the Richard Alpert issue soon, they need to come up with some kind of gameplan, whether or not 'Cane' is cancelled.

I don't think it was shelved at all -- we really haven't had time to address the Temple issue yet with everyone running around. Whatever plan they had was interrupted by Nestor's newfound popularity due to his recent work on LOST and other movies. If he was a full-time star I think contractually he would be bound to LOST, but being just a guest star he needed to pay the bills so took the Cane gig. It's sort of the same thing with Rose and Bernard -- the actors who play them are both full-time actors outside the show and have to leave Hawaii and be unavailable for long stretches of time but they come back when Damon and Carlton need them.

Gee, I asked this question before you but for some reason the moderators stuffed it into Characters Season 3 so no one read it.
( http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=88721 )

Thanks mods! ;)

The fact is, Cane is not yet officially cancelled. So it might be hard to get Nestor this season. However there is a good chance it will be canceled in May. So hopefully Richard will show up in Season 5.

The fact is, Cane is not yet officially cancelled. So it might be hard to get Nestor this season.
Right, but they're not producing any more episodes this season.

Right, but they're not producing any more episodes this season.

AND!? He is still under contract at CBS as far as I am aware.

The problem was never that Nestor didn't have time to fly to Hawaii, the problem was that CBS didn't want him to do Lost. Damon and Carlton have said this explicitly. And if he is still under contract until May, it will still be very hard to get him on Lost.

I hope "Richard" returns it's not as if LOST is hurting for characters....and there are many I like, but I thought that was an interesting character

AND!? He is still under contract at CBS as far as I am aware.

The problem was never that Nestor didn't have time to fly to Hawaii, the problem was that CBS didn't want him to do Lost. Damon and Carlton have said this explicitly. And if he is still under contract until May, it will still be very hard to get him on Lost.
I hadn't heard that (obviously, from my comments!). The only thing I had heard was that they were hopeful to be able to get him away for an episode or two while Cane was filming, as they are both produced by ABC Studios.

Wow, that sucks. I didn't know actors locked in with particular networks. Thought it was a script by script thing. That sucks...so there's no way out for him? I'm surprised I haven't read this before.

I just read in another thread that Nestor is locked into a contract with CBC. He cant do LOST, so they said. The thread was called Richard Alpert Status. Sorry, Im too lazy to link you.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=88998

He may well have an exclusivity and/or 'restraint of trade' clause in his contract with CBS which would prevent him becoming a regular on Lost, as a regular. I guess we'll see. We definitely need to see more of Richard.

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AND!? He is still under contract at CBS as far as I am aware.

The problem was never that Nestor didn't have time to fly to Hawaii, the problem was that CBS didn't want him to do Lost. Damon and Carlton have said this explicitly. And if he is still under contract until May, it will still be very hard to get him on Lost.

so back to my question, are they going to write him off the show? such a great character.............

so back to my question, are they going to write him off the show? such a great character.............

As far as I know, the writers want to have Nestor back, and have no plans to write his character out. It's just a matter of opportunity.

I hadn't heard that (obviously, from my comments!). The only thing I had heard was that they were hopeful to be able to get him away for an episode or two while Cane was filming, as they are both produced by ABC Studios.

That was their in so to speak, their only possible chance to make something happen even with the CBS resistance. Darlton were saying that was their long shot.

Now I am not sure about his contract now. Cane did complete its order this season, but it isn't canceled and there is a small chance it could come back in the Fall. I am assuming that as a regular cast member of the CBS show he can't just go off to another network and shoot scenes just because Cane isn't filming. I am assuming he has to be released from his Cane contract.

Anywhoo, because of the shortened season there probably isn't time for Richard anyway. As long as they use him in Season 5 I will be happy.

I just read in another thread that Nestor is locked into a contract with CBC. He cant do LOST, so they said. The thread was called Richard Alpert Status. Sorry, Im too lazy to link you.

My thread was started earlier than that one. And I think you mean CBS.
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http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=88998


Again, this thread was started before that one.

I wasn't suggesting that this thread is a duplicate (I'm not a mod, after all). I was simply directing posters to the thread that Jack Sawyer had mentioned, in which is contained some information that will, presumably, be of interest to people reading this thread.

I also responded to your originasl post by providing my thoughts on why Carbonell's contract with CBS may prevent him from doing future regular work on Lost. There are likely legal reasons as well as practical ones.

It's all about sharing information and ideas on the Lage. There's no need for the combative tone.

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i hope richard can be on lost all the time becuase i love the charecter.

There's no need for the combative tone.

"My thread was started earlier than that one" is combative to you? It was just a simple statement of fact. Oh well.

I wasn't suggesting that this thread is a duplicate (I'm not a mod, after all). I was simply directing posters to the thread that Jack Sawyer had mentioned, in which is contained some information that will, presumably, be of interest to people reading this thread.

I also responded to your originasl post by providing my thoughts on why Carbonell's contract with CBS may prevent him from doing future regular work on Lost. There are likely legal reasons as well as practical ones.

It's all about sharing information and ideas on the Lage. There's no need for the combative tone.

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What he said. :)

That was their in so to speak, their only possible chance to make something happen even with the CBS resistance. Darlton were saying that was their long shot.

Now I am not sure about his contract now. Cane did complete its order this season, but it isn't canceled and there is a small chance it could come back in the Fall. I am assuming that as a regular cast member of the CBS show he can't just go off to another network and shoot scenes just because Cane isn't filming. I am assuming he has to be released from his Cane contract.

Anywhoo, because of the shortened season there probably isn't time for Richard anyway. As long as they use him in Season 5 I will be happy.

Well I heard CBS put Cane on hiatus and that it will be back in the fall. I do think they are going to work something out so he can come back for a few episodes but I don't expect him to be a regular or even have his own flashback, also it seems to me in the recent flash forward that Sayid is now the modern Richard Alpert.

i hope richard can be on lost all the time becuase i love the charecter.

seriously, its a crying as* shame that he won't be able to be a season reg. I know they will have to get him back for in-order to complete story arcs but most likely they will kill him off. I was hoping Cane was cancelled but they renewed it.

seriously, its a crying as* shame that he won't be able to be a season reg. I know they will have to get him back for in-order to complete story arcs but most likely they will kill him off. I was hoping Cane was cancelled but they renewed it.

I suppose that if they can't tie things up by bringing him back into the suporting cast, then we'll receive an explanation via another character's explanation. Not entirely satisfactory if that's what happens You're right - it is a shame, because one of the defining moments for me in Season 3 was when he first met young Ben in the jungle. Let's pray that CBS exercises some common sense.

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seriously, its a crying as* shame that he won't be able to be a season reg. I know they will have to get him back for in-order to complete story arcs but most likely they will kill him off. I was hoping Cane was cancelled but they renewed it.

???? Please cite your source. I searched for Cane news on Google's news service, and all I could find is the news I already reported - that they are no longer making episodes this season for it - and that it may be officially canceled (or renewed) in May. There is nothing about a current renewal.


Cane is not dead, it's only sleeping. CBS pulled it from the schedule because of the writers strike.
The network is undecided whether to raise Cain now, though. So-so ratings put it on the bubble

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/main/5543456.htmlFor some series the immediate question will be whether they have any future beyond this season. .... . For shows not on that list, questions about survival will remain unanswered until May, when the networks announce fall lineups. Among those on the questionable list were "Cane" and ...

http://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/120310711828730.xml&coll=7
Moonlight, Cane and The Unit have already been shut down and may not be back as well.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/02/15/cbs-renews-a-slew-of-shows/

Well I heard CBS put Cane on hiatus and that it will be back in the fall.

I asked you this in the other thread too. Please cite your sources. Nowhere (and believe me I have looked) have I seen it reported that Cane would be back in the fall. Nowhere.

First off sorry for making a duplicate thread, I didn't know another Alpert thread existed.

Among the more interesting ripples in the announcement: "Moonlight" - which looked like it wouldn't be back until the fall - will return with four new episodes on April 11, "The Unit" won't be back until at least September and "Cane" (which everyone assumed to be dead) is listed as being "on hiatus."
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8251088?source=most_emailed

However, on February 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_14), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008), CBS released a statement declaring that Cane is still on "hiatus to accommodate the mid-season launches of Big Brother (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_%28TV_series%29), Jericho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_%28TV_series%29) and Dexter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_%28TV_series%29)." [6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_(TV_series)#_note-4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_(TV_series)

So I guess there is still time for CBS to change their mind, I guess we have to wait until May to get the final word. A comment my Darlton about Nestor.

Shows whose fates remain fuzzy include Shark, The New Adventures of Old Christine, Moonlight, and Rules of Engagement, while Cane and The Unit have already been shut down. (The Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i939be0e2597fa2cd871a429e6c7891f1))
-so does shut down mean cancelled?
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20178353,00.html

I did on the other Richard Alpert thread. The mods should just lock mine, no need for two of the same. I am really really really upset right now at Damon/Carlton!!!!! they should have contracted Nestor during Season Three for Season Four! I posted a link confirming that Cane is on hiatus and not cancelled and the CBS people don't want him on another show! I cannot believe Lost can end without Richard in it again! Damon or Carlton need to tell us what is going on!

Among the more interesting ripples in the announcement: "Moonlight" - which looked like it wouldn't be back until the fall - will return with four new episodes on April 11, "The Unit" won't be back until at least September and "Cane" (which everyone assumed to be dead) is listed as being "on hiatus."
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8251088?source=most_emailed

However, on February 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_14), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008), CBS released a statement declaring that Cane is still on "hiatus to accommodate the mid-season launches of Big Brother (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_%28TV_series%29), Jericho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_%28TV_series%29) and Dexter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_%28TV_series%29)." [6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_%28TV_series%29#_note-4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_(TV_series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_%28TV_series))

Hiatus DOES NOT, in any way, shape or form equal renewed. I have read from about two dozen different sources and none of them say it is renewed. They ordered 13 episodes. That was completed. They are not making any more this season. They did not announce it as being renewed for next season (like they did to 12 other CBS shows) It is on the bubble.

So I guess there is still time for CBS to change their mind, I guess we have to wait until May to get the final word. A comment my Darlton about Nestor.

More like we have to wait for CBS to make up its mind. But the fact that it wasn't renewed last week when CBS renewed a dozen or so shows means it actual renewal is iffy.

great news!!!! I love Richard Alpert, I want him back sooo freaking bad.

I think it would be surprising if Cane came back. And I can't imagine that the producers would hold the actors hostage knowing that the writing is on the wall.

Saw this article (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-cbs15feb15,1,5592642.story) from last week that sums it up pretty clearly:

"Cane" never received a full-season order, so things look bleak for that series.

However there is this

It was also reported by USA Today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today) that Cane would be "gone for good."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_(TV_series)#_note-3)
However, on February 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_14), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008), CBS released a statement declaring that Cane is still on "hiatus to accommodate the mid-season launches of Big Brother (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_%28TV_series%29), Jericho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_%28TV_series%29) and Dexter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_%28TV_series%29)." [6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_(TV_series)#_note-4)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_(TV_series)

"The Unit," "Shark" and "Cane" are being put on hold to make room for the mid-season launches of "Big Brother," "Jericho" and "Dexter." Meanwhile, those hoping for more "CSI," "Without a Trace," "Ghost Whisperer" and "Numbers" will be seeing six new episodes come the week of April 3. "Moonlight" will return with four new episodes beginning April 11.
http://media.www.dailytitan.com/media/storage/paper861/news/2008/02/19/Features/Writers.Strike.Over.New.Deal.Passed-3217559.shtml

doesn't sound good to me.

Dude, come on, can't you tell CBS is giving you spin? On hiatus?

Hiatus here is a euphemism for "we don't have enough faith in the show to order more episodes now or renew it for next season now, however if ALL our pilots for the fall suck, then maybe we might have Cane on our schedule in the fall. Maybe.

I hope your right.

They DEFINITELY need to bring ol' Richie back!!!

I was listening to Kevin and Bean on KROQ a few weeks ago and they had Michael Emerson on and they asked him about a future Ben flashback and he said "they" told him they are waiting to get Nestor Carbonell back.

As long as his contract with CBS doesn't prevent him from being a recurring guest star, if Cane isn't shooting he might be able to come back for a run of episodes. I'm fine with him not being a regular, but I do eventually want to know what his "parked" story is! It seems important.

"You do remember birthdays, don't you, Richard?"

Also his manipulation of Locke...brrrr.:o
*shivers*

Sadly his contract does prevent him from returning on Lost, but I hope its cancelled.

Sadly his contract does prevent him from returning on Lost, but I hope its cancelled.


He may well have an exclusivity and/or 'restraint of trade' clause in his contract with CBS which would prevent him becoming a regular on Lost, as a regular. I guess we'll see. We definitely need to see more of Richard.
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Forgive me, I'm trying to clarify and maybe I'm missing sources other people have access to...I've read both this thread and the "Richard Alpert Status" thread, and neither of them cites anything that confirms that he has a contract that would prevent him from becoming a recurring guest star, although Michaud seems to think it is likely that he would not be allowed to become a regular.

Also, in the September 22nd podcast Damon and Carlton seemed optimistic that they might be able to get him back at least as a guest star--their only concern seemed to be that his shooting schedule with Cane would prevent him from working with them.

If Cane isn't shooting more episodes presently, doesn't it seem likely they could get him back? *crosses fingers* On the other hand, LOST has an abbreviated season so they may have to delay his story as Richard and the others are currently out of the picture, with the need to condense.

But this CBS exec said that she didn't want Nestor guest starring on other shows could it would "confuse viewers" which is a bunch of bull.

i just picked up the new EW and darlton says that nestor is now available for LOST!!! YAY!!!

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please quote what they said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


'Cane' Gets Chopped By CBS

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/thompson/entries/2008/02/cbs_cane_gets_c.html

When CBS last Thursday announced it was picking up 11 shows for the fall season, one high-profile Florida show wasn't on it.
And that show was Cane, the splashy soap about a rich Cuban-American family in the rum and sugar business in South Florida. Network TV's first Latino drama got loads of local attention because when you think rich Cuban-Americans in the sugar business, the first family to come to mind is the Fanjuls of Palm Beach, the socially prominent family which owns a multi-billion-dollar sugar cane business.
The Fanjuls weren't initially thrilled with the show, saying through their attorney that the series was loosely based on them. Cynthia Cidre, Cane's creator, claimed that wasn't true and told me last fall that, "I have never even heard of these people until the trouble started."
To ease concerns, the network changed the show's setting from Palm Beach County to the fictional Florida community of Playa Azul. It didn't matter. After a promising pilot, Cane fizzled pretty quickly. Now, I love nice guy Jimmy Smits, but he had a tough time oozing menace as a Cuban Tony Soprano who had no problems murdering a low-life threatening his family.
In the end, Cane wasn't able...to get enough viewers. And I have a hunch that a rich Cuban-American family from Palm Beach isn't all that broken up about it.
Posted by Kevin Thompson at February 21, 2008 10:33 AM

Forgive me, I'm trying to clarify and maybe I'm missing sources other people have access to...I've read both this thread and the "Richard Alpert Status" thread, and neither of them cites anything that confirms that he has a contract that would prevent him from becoming a recurring guest star, although Michaud seems to think it is likely that he would not be allowed to become a regular.

No problem, Devera.

He may well have an exclusivity and/or 'restraint of trade' clause in his contract with CBS which would prevent him becoming a regular on Lost, as a regular. I guess we'll see. We definitely need to see more of Richard.

I haven't read anything regarding the contents of Nestor's contract with CBS, and without having sight of that contract I couldn't say for sure one way or the other whether he'll be able to appear in Lost as a regular or guest star, whether or not Cane resumes production or not. I was simply speculating as to potential legal difficulties based on what posters have said in both this and the other relevant thread, and also from Darlton statements.

I was saying that he may well have an exclusivity clause that currently prevents him, as a regular in Cane (albeit that it's 'on hiatus'), from appearing as either a guest or a regular on Lost, or both.

Further, he may also have a 'restraint of trade' clause that would prevent him from working for a competitor (ABC) for a certain period of time after his contract with CBS is completed, or if he is released from it earlier than the original termination date.

The latter is less likely because, in the UK at least (US law may differ slightly), 'restraint of trade' clauses have all sorts of legal difficulties surrounding them. The former (the exclusivity clause) is more likely, and what Damon and Carlton have said would indicate that such a clause exists in Nestor's CBS contract.

Everything would depend on the extent of any exclusivity clause. I seriously doubt that CBS would permit their star to also star regularly in a competitor's show. If I were a CBS lawyer, I would advise that their contracts prevent something like that happening (why let one of your 'assets' assist a competitor in competing with your own ratings?).

Just speculating really. Apologies if my original post was couched in such a way as to imply that I had concrete information on the contract.

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ETA:- RAF - We posted at pretty much the same time. Thanks for the info. If Cane is definitely not now going to be taken any further, then that speculated exclusivity clause would become redundant and, as I've said, I would think that they couldn't restrain him from crossing to ABC.

i just picked up the new EW and darlton says that nestor is now available for LOST!!! YAY!!!

Would you mind quoting what they said? we know Cane is cancelled now.

Would you mind quoting what they said? we know Cane is cancelled now.


sorry i don't have it in front of me right now but it basically said that some characters (they didn't name them) they needed post strike aren't available right now as one is doing a play and the other is going a HBO series. but they were happy that since cane wasn't filming anymore episodes that nestor was now available. they didn't mention if they had any agreement with nestor regarding contracts and stuff or when we would see him in future episodes.

I read the EW interview, but I couldn't find where Damon talked about Richard Alpert's return. : (

sorry i don't have it in front of me right now but it basically said that some characters (they didn't name them) they needed post strike aren't available right now as one is doing a play and the other is going a HBO series. but they were happy that since cane wasn't filming anymore episodes that nestor was now available. they didn't mention if they had any agreement with nestor regarding contracts and stuff or when we would see him in future episodes.

so they said he is coming back but not this season?

I read the EW interview, but I couldn't find where Damon talked about Richard Alpert's return. : (

Here you go. I'm excited about the return of Richard as well.

CUSE: One of our first concerns was cast availability. We have one actor we very much need who is doing a play and another actor doing an HBO series. But we also have some opportunities. Nestor Carbonell, who played Richard Alpert last season, was on Cane. But now we'll be able to use him. Another unforeseen advantage is that we'll be able to respond to confusion the audience might have about the season so far.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179357,00.html

Here you go. I'm excited about the return of Richard as well.

CUSE: One of our first concerns was cast availability. We have one actor we very much need who is doing a play and another actor doing an HBO series. But we also have some opportunities. Nestor Carbonell, who played Richard Alpert last season, was on Cane. But now we'll be able to use him. Another unforeseen advantage is that we'll be able to respond to confusion the audience might have about the season so far.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179357,00.html

The confusion about the season so far? Is Carlton talking about the whereabouts of the others?

Hmm, I missed this earlier. That's almost confirmation that Richard will show up in the end of Season 4. Darlton don't let me down!

Hmm, I missed this earlier. That's almost confirmation that Richard will show up in the end of Season 4. Darlton don't let me down!

I read it as him either showing up at the end of this season or sometime next season...but either way, it is a good thing.

I read it as him either showing up at the end of this season or sometime next season...but either way, it is a good thing.

I agree. Any chance of seeing Richard will be good for the show. I would like to see them make him a permanent (well as permenant as one can get on the show) cast member so that there's no risk of someone else snatching up this talented man (which is inevitable).