View Full Version : Is Locke wrong? Does the Island WANT the Freighties there?
MPmom 02-18-2008, 10:05 PM When Patchy pulled the branch out of Naomi's punctured lung, he informed everyone she will be healed in a day. He explained that the island heals things differently. So why, when she was stabbed in the back by Locke later, did she not heal instantly from that?
What was the point of saving Naomi unless she had some purpose to serve by living? All she accomplished in that time was to help them contact the ship.
Locke doesn't want the freighties there, and I assume he speaks for the island too. So she only accomplished what the island supposedly DIDN'T want. And since that was her goal all along, why did the island save her at all? It could have let her die in that tree, gobbled up her satellite phone, and attempted to nip this mission in the bud.
It's not like the island heals everyone. Only who it chooses to.
So by that reasoning, either
A. Naomi is still alive with a greater purpose still to serve
or
B. The island WANTS the freighties there and Locke has lost his connection with the Island.
or
C. Island healing is random.
Could Ben be misleading Locke so he will loose favor with the island? Making Locke THINK he is doing what the island wants?
Locke seems to have become all angry and power hungry lately. Not the island-hugging, man of faith he once was.
So if B. is true, why would the island want the freighties there? Could they all special in some way, with abilities that the island can connect with?
I was rewatching "Confirmed Dead" and noticed that Abaddon told Naomi that her purpose was to get these people on, and BACK OFF the island safely.
So maybe the island wants them on, but NOT back off again. So it saved Naomi to lead them all there, then let her die.
Jack Sawyer 02-18-2008, 10:19 PM My take on the island's healing is that if it's mortal wound you're pretty much screwed. That's why Mikhail's dead, Tom, etc, etc. Flesh wounds, however, heal quicker whether they be bullet wounds or branches which puncture your lungs. But if a killing blow lands, you're pretty much a goner. That's my take anyways.
Obviously, the island has other healing properties as well (like Locke and Rose, or Ben's quick recovery) but note that without a decent spinal surgeon on the island there was little the Island was going to be able to do for Ben's growing tumor.
Then again, the tumor itself was something of an anomoly for the island, wasn't it?
benmanrocky 02-18-2008, 10:29 PM My take on the island's healing is that if it's mortal wound you're pretty much screwed. That's why Mikhail's dead, Tom, etc, etc. Flesh wounds, however, heal quicker whether they be bullet wounds or branches which puncture your lungs. But if a killing blow lands, you're pretty much a goner. That's my take anyways.
Obviously, the island has other healing properties as well (like Locke and Rose, or Ben's quick recovery) but note that without a decent spinal surgeon on the island there was little the Island was going to be able to do for Ben's growing tumor.
Then again, the tumor itself was something of an anomoly for the island, wasn't it?
I agree minor wounds heal much faster on the island. If fatal wounds were healed we would see people that have been shot, hit with vans, or had planes fall on them walking around in the near future. That's why Naomi is dead it was a fatal wound a instant death.
Heroic Poser 02-18-2008, 10:52 PM The thing about Naomi that was strange to me is they kept showing her with her eyes open and face uncovered. I don't know if it was just the way they wanted to film it, with her face sticking out, but it seemed strange they would leave her face uncovered for so long, like we needed to see it.
lockesmithe 02-18-2008, 11:10 PM The island WANTS the freighties there and Locke has lost his connection with the Island.This assumes that "taller ghost Walt" does not represent the island, since Locke got his orders from Walt. Most of us assume the island and the "visions" are one in the same, but this is in no way proven.
You raise a good point. Why was Naomi healed only to accomplish her goal of bringing the freighties to the island, when Ben and Locke thinks the freighties are not the "good guys?" Maybe the island doesn't control the healing--wounds that are not imminently life-threatening are healed no matter how much of a connection you have with the island.
My answer to your multiple choice quiz is "D"--something we viewers haven't grasped yet.
I don't have the answer, but you raised an interesting question.
(4.8.15.16.23.42) 02-18-2008, 11:16 PM Agreed, lockesmith.
Is it possible that the Island is manipulating Locke for some ultimate purpose? Maybe it's not about Naomi as much as it is about Locke doing the Island's bidding.
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MPmom 02-19-2008, 12:01 AM This assumes that "taller ghost Walt" does not represent the island, since Locke got his orders from Walt. Most of us assume the island and the "visions" are one in the same, but this is in no way proven.
You raise a good point. Why was Naomi healed only to accomplish her goal of bringing the freighties to the island, when Ben and Locke thinks the freighties are not the "good guys?" Maybe the island doesn't control the healing--wounds that are not imminently life-threatening are healed no matter how much of a connection you have with the island.
My answer to your multiple choice quiz is "D"--something we viewers haven't grasped yet.
I don't have the answer, but you raised an interesting question.
I realized in mid post that Walt sent Locke to stop Naomi from contacting the freighter. But Ben was also saying the same thing. The people on the boat are the bad guys, here to kill every living person. It just seems odd the island would save her once, but not the second time, when both wounds seemed to be mortal wounds. And why would it heal her just to allow her to bring these "bad" people there.
The healing properties are hard to figure out.
Sawyer was shot. He managed to make it half way across the island becoming increasingly nearer death. Then, with a little doctoring from Jack, he heals right up.
Mikhail gets shocked by the fence bad enough to foam at the mouth and bleed from the ears, but heals up. I'm not sure he won't STILL show up, missing his other eye and a few limbs.
And Naomi's extended dead body scenes....what is up with that? I am not convinced she is really dead yet. If she is dead than the island saved her the first time for nothing.
tenglan1 02-19-2008, 04:47 AM I'm betting things are happening EXACTLY as the Island wants. Sure, the freighter people are on the island, which seems bad, but they've kind of been neutralized by the division of the group, which stems from Locke believing they are evil. Is Locke right? Doesn't matter, it only matters that the island made him believe that so that he would do exactly what he's doing, keeping the freighter folks in check by hiding Ben, holding various members of their team hostage, and just causing general mayhem. Had they not radioed the ship, I'm betting they would have made their way to the island anyway, without the pretense of rescuing anybody, and been more of a threat.
In other words, if you're an island, I bet you tend to think of things in the loooooong term, so a few setbacks are expected.
Babybananagrabber 02-21-2008, 08:35 PM I'm also wondering what Charlie being alive outside has to do with all of this. Will Naomi number 2 return in the real world?
seaquelost 02-21-2008, 08:54 PM In other words, if you're an island, I bet you tend to think of things in the loooooong term, so a few setbacks are expected.
I agree with your post, tenglan1.
I lol at this part of your post that I pasted. This pretty much confirms that the island truly is a "character". I never dreamed that I would be a part of a discussion, such as this, regarding an island. :biggrin:
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