Aaron looked like he was about 3 or 4 with Kate at the end. Can we assume that the O6 will be leaving the island fairly shortly to allow for plotlines about getting back? If thats the case, it probably wouldn't take 4 years for Kate to have to face the music for her past.

So when did Aaron grow? Did he have a big growth spurt on the heliocopter as they were leaving the island?

I think it is related to the weird Time stuff on Lost. Thanks for bringing this up because I was thinking about it too.

Like how Walt grew, and was just mentioned on the show too. I think Aaron's aging was sped up.

Also we can't use size to be sure about anything. My nephew is 2 and he is the same height as my 3 1/2 year old.

Also, for what it's worth, we can really only assume that Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron.

I'm just trying to visualize what that would look like. Kate would probably be holding him the whole time on the way out. Would he just all of a sudden be 30 pounds heavier looking like a toddler hulk with all of his baby clothes torn?

Also, for what it's worth, we can really only assume that Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron.

It was definitely Claire's Aaron... That's definitely *not* an assumption, since the foreshadowing they gave for that with the scene where Claire and Kate were doing laundry was clear as day.

It was definitely Claire's Aaron... That's definitely *not* an assumption, since the foreshadowing they gave for that with the scene where Claire and Kate were doing laundry was clear as day.

I guess. :cool:

Would he just all of a sudden be 30 pounds heavier looking like a toddler hulk with all of his baby clothes torn?


LMAO, toddler hulk. Little green Aaron...

i think the only logical explanation is that they were on the island until aaron got to be that age (which has to at least be another year). there's no way that they would wait a year or longer to bring kate to trial. OR they tried kate immediately after her return and the trial took a more than a year due to complications? i cannot see aaron growing all of a sudden after leaving the island (how ridiculous would that look?) otherwise, i'd consider this to be a pretty big continuity error.

the blond hair is a dead give away too that its claire's aaron

The explanation is very simple.

Different actor.

He definitely looked and acted like 2 to me, maybe even just a bit younger. No way was he 3 or 4. A 3-year-old would have had more to say than just "hi mommy," trust me.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if there are flashforwards of Locke being visited by an apparition of "tall Aaron."

i think the only logical explanation is that they were on the island until aaron got to be that age (which has to at least be another year). there's no way that they would wait a year or longer to bring kate to trial. OR they tried kate immediately after her return and the trial took a more than a year due to complications? i cannot see aaron growing all of a sudden after leaving the island (how ridiculous would that look?) otherwise, i'd consider this to be a pretty big continuity error.


As soon as Season 3 ended I was sure they were NOT gonna be rescued any time soon by the freighter people. But, as Season 4 started developing, I got more and more convinced that they were gonna be rescued pretty soon. After all, everything seems to point in that direction, right?
Well, now I think it is worth to consider that perhaps The Oceanic 6 are not gonna be 'rescued' by this Freigther at all!!!
What if Jack and company don't even leave the island this season????
We might have been 'fooled' (again) into thinking that the O06 is the direct result of Abaddon's team incursion on the island. Both things might end up NOT being related at all!!!!

I totally agree Fierro. I don't know if that will be the case, but I am certainly keeping it open as an option.

I thought Aaron looked and acted just like my little two and a half year old. That kid may have been three, but just barely. Plus Kate called him "the baby". I say he was two.

I agree, he was toddler aged. 2 or 2 1/2.

He definitely looked and acted like 2 to me, maybe even just a bit younger. No way was he 3 or 4. A 3-year-old would have had more to say than just "hi mommy," trust me.

not necessarily. when my 3 yr old wakes up all he wants to do is sit and cuddle with either myself or daddy until he wakes up a bit more. THEN he starts yapping. :)

That child was not 3 or 4, but rather 2 to 2 and a half. Not only did he not look that old, but he acted younger. I don't think you can go by size alone, but also the fact they referred to him as baby. I think they may have hired a child actor older than 2 and a half just so he could speak the line "Mommy" so that we would know that the child actually considers Kate his mom. This adds to the mystery of what happened to Claire, and when.

The baby could be named after aaron, in his honor. I got the impression the way Kate was talking that the baby was Jack's. Anyone else get that?

I also thought 2, maybe 2 1/2, not going so much by size but by motor skills -- he didn't move like an older toddler to me.

Aaron looked anywhere from 2-4. It's definitely not a stretch that a couple of years could've passed between Kate's return and the actual beginning of the trial. They'd have to go through all the pre-trial hearings, there could've been a whole other first trial and this is an appeal, and we have no idea how much longer they're going to be on the island before getting off.

Based on Jack's demeanor in the two episodes, I definitely think that Kate's flash-forward takes place after Hurley's. Jack was perfectly settled and in control in Hurley's episode; in Kate's, he wasn't nearly the mess that he was in his own, but you could see the cracks starting to form.

anyone else feeling a "Hand that Rocks the Cradle" vibe?

On the Island, Aaron is about 3 months old. In Kate's FF, he's about 2 years old. We don't know how long they stay on the Island until they're rescued, so consequentially, we don't know how long Kate (and Aaron) have been back in the real world.

Pre-trial stuff can drag on for months, even years before any actual trial takes place, so that gives us no clue as to how long Kate and Aaron have been off-Island.

The only thing we know for sure is that Kate ends up with Aaron, passing him off as her own son -- and about 2 years have passed between the scene with Kate and Claire hanging laundry and Kate and Aaron in the bedroom.

The question that really intrigues me, however, is how in heck was Kate able to convince people in the real world that Aaron is her biological son?

She would have had to have said she gave birth to him on the fake desert island, but records would have clearly shown that she was not VISIBLY pregnant when she boarded Flight 815. Some women don't show until their 6 month, but this would be pushing it with Kate because she's so thin. But this might have been the argument she made in her cover story. That she was 6 months pregnant (not showing) when she boarded Flight 815, then on the fake desert island for 3 months ... eh, but the math still doesn't work out.

If one assumes that the Oceanic 6 are rescued within the next few weeks (Island time), then -- at the very least -- we are looking at a window of 3 MONTHS OF LOST TIME. The 3 months that the Losties were on the Island could account for the last three months of Kate's fake pregnancy, but Aaron would already be 3 months old at rescue.

If she's passing him off as her own son, how did Kate explain the age of Aaron at rescue?

::head spinning::

Remember when the fortune teller told Claire that she had to be the one to raise aaron? I don't think that Claire would have just given up her boy. The way Kate has been manipulating people lately, I could see her doing something a little crazy, but who knows?

The fact that Kate would not use Aaron in her trial for the 'sympathy' factor shows she would not exploit him for her own sake. She refused the DA's first deal because there was jail time involved - but she jumped at the 10 year probation/no leaving the state deal because it was very important to her to be with Aaron. I get the feeling that she is protecting him. I suspect that the 'no leaving the State' clause is going to be a problem in the future if she is indeed protecting Aaron. He is her priority. I do believe Aaron is Claire's son - but that remains to be confirmed - but I don't see Kate manipulating Aaron away from Claire. We've seen her to be adverse to the 'mother' scenario. I think that - for whatever reason - Kate is doing this for Claire.

I thought somewhere in the episode, during the trial, they stated that they had been off the island for 4 years. I think it was when they were questioning Jack on the stand. Did I imagine this? I will have to go back and watch when ABC posts to the web.

Regardless. Justice works slow in celebrity cases. They let Kate off with "time served" which indicates that she had spent a decent amount of time in jail. Plus it would have taken them some time to bring charges against her because she was assumed to be dead.

I thought somewhere in the episode, during the trial, they stated that they had been off the island for 4 years. I think it was when they were questioning Jack on the stand. Did I imagine this? I will have to go back and watch when ABC posts to the web.

Regardless. Justice works slow in celebrity cases. They let Kate off with "time served" which indicates that she had spent a decent amount of time in jail. Plus it would have taken them some time to bring charges against her because she was assumed to be dead.


No, you didn't imagine it. Kate's mom said she'd was given 6 months to live for the last 4 years. This goes back to when Kate visited her before the crash.

Assuming that diagnosis was close to kate's visit, the crash was within the last 4 years. But we don't know how long it was from the time Kate visis her mother in the hospital and the crash. But it was awhile. She had to befriend bank robber friends and break into the bank where the toy plane was. Then she had to go to Australia and spend 3 months on the farm with Ray(?). So a year or more probably went by until the crash. Then aaron is born on the island. And now he is by most estimates 2-3 years old.

He is the right age.

Aaron looked like he was about 3 or 4 with Kate at the end. Can we assume that the O6 will be leaving the island fairly shortly to allow for plotlines about getting back? If thats the case, it probably wouldn't take 4 years for Kate to have to face the music for her past.

So when did Aaron grow? Did he have a big growth spurt on the heliocopter as they were leaving the island?


you mean.. you havent realized yet that sometimes it takes YEARS before someone gets a "speedy" trial in this country??

Couldn't there be a whole parallel thing going on with the FF. When Jack was on the stand didn't he say that they crashed in the water and only 8 people survived? Haven't done my 2nd watching yet. It could be Aaron, but in the FF world he has always been Kate's Aaron or
Another possibility. Jack didn't seem to want to see Aaron. Maybe it's not because it's his child and doesn't want to own up to it. Maybe Kate did something so terrible that Jack doesn't want to be reminded of it by seeing Aaron

Jack wouldn't NOT go see his own son. So that sealed the deal for me right there that this is NOT Jack's child. Betyouadimetoadollar that Jack is guilting again. Something happened to Claire, his sister, something that he had no control over and now he can't face that reality.

As for the child's age. 2. His head shape and size was that of a 2 year old. Toddlers have big ol' heads compared to the length of their arms and the width of their shoulders. Toddler bodies do a lot of growing to catch up to their heads.

i think the only logical explanation is that they were on the island until aaron got to be that age (which has to at least be another year). there's no way that they would wait a year or longer to bring kate to trial. OR they tried kate immediately after her return and the trial took a more than a year due to complications? i cannot see aaron growing all of a sudden after leaving the island (how ridiculous would that look?) otherwise, i'd consider this to be a pretty big continuity error.

Im with team kpdjp
I have a feeling that the freightastic four will be on the island for a long time.
; )




"Driveshaft, more like Suckshaft"

. Maybe Kate did something so terrible that Jack doesn't want to be reminded of it by seeing Aaron

I figured Aaron reminded Jack of Claire and the others left on the island. He hasn't fully degenerated yet in the FF, but the guilt is starting to work.

I figured Aaron reminded Jack of Claire and the others left on the island. He hasn't fully degenerated yet in the FF, but the guilt is starting to work.

That could be where they're going with it, but it doesn't make much sense to me. If that's Jack's nephew, he should want to see him, shouldn't he? Wouldn't Jack want to protect his family, just like he did the losties on the island, without just trusting someone else to do it? I just can't see him shunning his own relation, specially an innocent one. It seems very out of character for Jack. The way Kate talked, it sounded like Jack wouldn't even look at the kid because he loved her and maybe someone else was the father. I can't really see Jack being that way either though.

And to get back OT, we have no idea how much time has passed yet, so I don't have a problem with Aaron's size.

No, you didn't imagine it. Kate's mom said she'd was given 6 months to live for the last 4 years. This goes back to when Kate visited her before the crash.

Assuming that diagnosis was close to kate's visit, the crash was within the last 4 years. But we don't know how long it was from the time Kate visis her mother in the hospital and the crash. But it was awhile. She had to befriend bank robber friends and break into the bank where the toy plane was. Then she had to go to Australia and spend 3 months on the farm with Ray(?). So a year or more probably went by until the crash. Then aaron is born on the island. And now he is by most estimates 2-3 years old.

He is the right age.

Kate's mother's illness is a clue. Kate's mother was diagnosed with cancer in the flashback in Born to Run. Assuming the "6 months to live," thing was given to her there (and it presumably was, given Kate's urgency to see her mother before she dies), that means four years elapse between that FB and the trial. So how do we date the FB in Born to Run? Simple. That's the same episode that Kate's friend Tom is killed in, and in Exodus, Part 1 the Marshal mentions that Kate got her friend killed two years before the crash.

So Kate's mum was diagnosed with cancer in 2002, the crash was in 2004 and the trial was in 2006. This would make Aaron a little over two years old at the time. However, the Marshal and Kate's mum could have been fairly liberal in their descriptions of time, so we could add up to another six months on that, taking us into early 2007, presumably a few months before Jack's flashforward in Through the Looking Glass.

maybe they spent 3 years on the island.

The fact that Kate would not use Aaron in her trial for the 'sympathy' factor shows she would not exploit him for her own sake.

No, she didn't want to use Jack as a character witness when she said she didn't want to use 'him'. She wasn't talking about Aaron.

No, she didn't want to use Jack as a character witness when she said she didn't want to use 'him'. She wasn't talking about Aaron.

Yes she was. She specifically said she didn't want her son in the courthouse after her solicitor said it would generate sympathy for her.

Well i think it's pretty obvious as to why Jack doesn't want to see Aaron. I mean Kate was practically asking Jack to jump into the taxi with her, but he wouldn't because he doesn't want to see Aaron.

Aaron reminds him of the lies he is telling. I'm just paraphrasing here, but i remember Kate saying something to him near the end of the episode, something like "I've heard you tell that story a thousand times, I think you're beginning to believe it yourself". And it's true, Jack is trying to convince himself that's what happened, he's in denial, and if he sees Aaron, it reminds him of the real, horrible truth.

I'm guessing by Jack's flashforward at the end of season 3, he's finally cracked. Probably a good few months after Kate's flashforward, he's sick of lying, he's finally seeing clearly, but he's a total wreck, and an outcast, and Kate is happy with her life at that time, which is why she shuns Jack, because he wants to reveal the truth, and that could jeopardize her situation.

The question that really intrigues me, however, is how in heck was Kate able to convince people in the real world that Aaron is her biological son?

She would have had to have said she gave birth to him on the fake desert island, but records would have clearly shown that she was not VISIBLY pregnant when she boarded Flight 815. Some women don't show until their 6 month, but this would be pushing it with Kate because she's so thin. But this might have been the argument she made in her cover story. That she was 6 months pregnant (not showing) when she boarded Flight 815, then on the fake desert island for 3 months ... eh, but the math still doesn't work out.

If one assumes that the Oceanic 6 are rescued within the next few weeks (Island time), then -- at the very least -- we are looking at a window of 3 MONTHS OF LOST TIME. The 3 months that the Losties were on the Island could account for the last three months of Kate's fake pregnancy, but Aaron would already be 3 months old at rescue.

If she's passing him off as her own son, how did Kate explain the age of Aaron at rescue?

::head spinning::

I agree the only time they would have run into an issue with Aaron being Kate's baby, was during the rescue, but I don't think she had to explain Aaron's age at rescue. I think this story that Jack told at trial and the story that Aaron is Kate's son were given to the Losties by whoever is in charge of rescuing them. After all, in TTLG Jack says that he's sick of lying. Something must have happened to Claire that she didn't make it off the island (dead or froced to remain) so Aaron for whatever reason made it off (maybe whoever rescued them didn't want to leave children on the island or didn't want to kill a baby, who knows) and he had to be explained. Plus, maybe there's no other women as part of the O6, so that would make Kate the mother of Aaron by default.

As some of us know now (O6 spoiler so don't read if you don't want to know at least another one) Sun is the only other woman rescued and the baby Aaron couldn't be hers because she's only pregnant right now.

A couple of points -- I have zero doubt that the Aaron we see in the flashforward is Claire's. With all the mind-bending twists the writers throw at us, they are not going to mess with viewers in such a blatant manner.

Secondly, we don't know when Jack learns that Claire is his sister.

Since Jack is more than willing to start (or continue) something with Kate, I would presume Kate isn't the one with the heinous act; something connected to Aaron only.

I'm starting to think it is this rift (not being able to see Kate) that sends him over the edge--he needs to fix things with the island/past/aaron before he can requite his love for Kate.

I think the "lies" the O6 apparently end up living have been clearly laid out by the people who have paid them off. Their entire lives have been pre-planned. Where you will live, under what circumstances, etc. in an order to control them and not allow for opportunities to open up about the truth of what happened to them. This would explain Jack meeting Kate at the airport a bit better...they may be bugged and it's possible that radio interference at the airport keeps their conversations from being heard. It would also explain the symbolism of the large and small robots on Aaron's bedroom wall.

Kate's mother's illness is a clue. Kate's mother was diagnosed with cancer in the flashback in Born to Run. Assuming the "6 months to live," thing was given to her there (and it presumably was, given Kate's urgency to see her mother before she dies), that means four years elapse between that FB and the trial. So how do we date the FB in Born to Run? Simple. That's the same episode that Kate's friend Tom is killed in, and in Exodus, Part 1 the Marshal mentions that Kate got her friend killed two years before the crash.

So Kate's mum was diagnosed with cancer in 2002, the crash was in 2004 and the trial was in 2006. This would make Aaron a little over two years old at the time. However, the Marshal and Kate's mum could have been fairly liberal in their descriptions of time, so we could add up to another six months on that, taking us into early 2007, presumably a few months before Jack's flashforward in Through the Looking Glass.

Nice post Werthead! :cool: I think you are correct.

I think there is a strong possiblity that -when rescued- the world was led to believe Aaron is Kate's child. Afterall, Diane wanted to see her grandchild before she died. She was willing to let Kate off the hook for the chance to see Aaron. It seemed to me she truly believed the child is Kate's. If that is the case, Kate had to be missing long enough to have been pregnant and had a child - who at this point in Island time- is a little over 2 months old. We know that Kate was not pregnant when she boarded Flight 815 and Claire was ready to give birth. There may be a lot more to that rocket time arrival differential.

I don't think he was 3 or 4, I think he could have been anywhere from a year and a half to 2 years old. I've seen 2 year olds that size.

I don't think the the baby could be Claire's Aaron. When Jack was testifying, we can assume that he was repeating the story that ALL of the O6 have been telling everyone and that it's the story that the world knows and believes. If that is true, then Kate would have had to have been pregnant before she got to the island and had the baby on the island (as far as the world knows), for anyone to believe that it's her baby. Jack says that they crashed into the ocean, not on the island. A baby could not have realistically survived that, so she can't say that she found him and "she's the only mother he's ever known." I can't really put it all into words, but, that, along with the age of the Aaron that she woke up from bed, makes me believe that her son is also Sawyer's son. I think she did lie to Sawyer about being pregnant. Claire's Aaron would be a huge hole in the story that the O6 are telling. It's got to actually be Kate's baby

If you watch the end credits, they list the actor that plays "Two-year old boy". I thought that was interesting. It didn't say "Aaron at two" and made a point of his age. Does this mean that it's not really Aaron - or at least not Claire's Aaron? I agree that he looked a little big for 2.

Also, how are they explaining who the father is and when she got pregnant? Claire was 9 months pregnant at the time of the crash and Kate wasn't. If it supposedly happened on the island, so far none of the 3 known male survivors are acting like Daddy.

I still think that Kate got pregnant on the island and it's Sawyer's baby. Why else is she so eager to leave and why did she get so upset when Sawyer was happy about her not being pregnant? And why does Jack have such a problem with seeing him?

I don't think that just because the baby's name is Aaron that we can assume it's Claire's baby.

Do you really think Kate would name her own baby Aaron? Why would she do that?

Do you really think Kate would name her own baby Aaron? Why would she do that?

That is one part I don't get. I mean, I guess it could be because she and Claire got really close. They really do seem to be warming up to each other.

But, I definately don't see how it could be Claire's Aaron. But that doesn't mean it isn't. This is, after all, LOST. lol

You don't see any way that Aaron could have left without his mother? Claire could have died or been left behind for any number of reasons. There are tons of ways Kate could have ended up with Claire's baby.

You don't see any way that Aaron could have left without his mother? Claire could have died or been left behind for any number of reasons. There are tons of ways Kate could have ended up with Claire's baby.



I definately think that there are a billion ways that Claire's Aaron could have gotten off the island without his mother. I just don't see how it fits in with the lies that the O6 are telling.

I do. Kate could have lied and said Aaron was hers because something horrible happened to Claire, or because they left her. That would explain a lot of the guilt they feel, and why Jack wouldn't go see him...he feels tremendous guilt.

I am genuinely surprised at how many people don't want to believe that this baby is Claire's Aaron!!! Even if Kate is passing him off as her own, it is still Aaron. The big question is not could this be Kate and Sawyer?'s child (though I guess many of you want to believe this), the question is WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HELICOPTER THAT SAVED CLAIRE AND AARON IN DESMOND'S FLASH?????????

Jack can't even look Aaron in the face, so I assume whatever happened, it was really, really bad....

i think the only logical explanation is that they were on the island until aaron got to be that age (which has to at least be another year). there's no way that they would wait a year or longer to bring kate to trial. OR they tried kate immediately after her return and the trial took a more than a year due to complications? i cannot see aaron growing all of a sudden after leaving the island (how ridiculous would that look?) otherwise, i'd consider this to be a pretty big continuity error.
I think most criminal trials takes AT LEAST 6 months to start. It can be longer if it is an especially overtaxed court. In this case it would be longer than normal, because the guy running the investigation for the last however-many years is dead. So, there's the time between her "rescue" and arraignment, which from the comment of her lawyer about being free while waiting for arraignment was a long time, and then the time she spent in jail awaiting trial. Another couple months on the island, plus that time, it seems he could easily be 2 years old, which is what he looks like to me
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I am genuinely surprised at how many people don't want to believe that this baby is Claire's Aaron!!! Even if Kate is passing him off as her own, it is still Aaron. The big question is not could this be Kate and Sawyer?'s child (though I guess many of you want to believe this), the question is WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HELICOPTER THAT SAVED CLAIRE AND AARON IN DESMOND'S FLASH????????
Well, the problem is, especially after having re-watched it, Kates behavior indicates that she is definitely pregnant, and that is why she wants to get off the island. OTOH, they're not going have it be that she just happened to name her own son Aaron.:rolleyes: So I have to conclude that both are true. She really was pregnant, or thought she was, and that really is Claire's Aaron. There's obviously a story to tell in between. As for the flashes, eh, it could be anything... maybe they really got on the helicopter at some point, maybe they didn't.

I think maybe they had us believe for a bit that Kate was pregnant on the island, but it was just to trick us so that the Aaron revalation would be more surprising.

On the Island, Aaron is about 3 months old. In Kate's FF, he's about 2 years old. We don't know how long they stay on the Island until they're rescued, so consequentially, we don't know how long Kate (and Aaron) have been back in the real world.

The question that really intrigues me, however, is how in heck was Kate able to convince people in the real world that Aaron is her biological son?

Remember what Kate's mother said. It is a very big clue. She said the doctor's have given her 6 month to live for the LAST FOUR YEARS. She was saying she refused to die without knowing what happened to her daughter. She is stating that Kate's been gone for four years.

We know that 31 second difference is affecting time somehow.

She can pass the baby off as her own. She is claiming an on-island pregnancy while also covering up that time was passing slower on the island.

D/

Also we can't use size to be sure about anything. My nephew is 2 and he is the same height as my 3 1/2 year old.

/agreed

Kids move from cribs to daybeds anywhere from 2.5 to 3.5 years old depending on their growth, maturity, their parents, etc. I wouldn't read too much into his size, other than for him to be old enough to be out of a crib.

IF the losties were rescued a year or so after the crash. they couldnt possibly not count Aaron as an actual oceanic victim. So my question is when the losties get back and Aaron isnt counted as one of the oceanic six, what would people think when there are 7 people comming out of the helicoptors?? so is it possible that Aaron IS one of the Oceanic six?

now I am really confused. We have established that Aaron is 2 and everyone thinks Kate got prego on the island. We know from this episode that the world thinks only 8 survive the crash. So I now have to ask- who is the father supposed to be?

Not Jack, because that would have came out when he was questioned on the stand (I am giving that crackerjack DA a lot more credit here assuming that her character was just poorly written and not really a moron).

spoilers say that one of the oceanic 6 is
Sun

so that leaves 5 possible Kate baby daddies

Sayid- maybe
Hurley- OK that mental image just scarred me for life
or one of the 3 other posiblities

My thought is that it has to be one of the 2 that was suposed to have "DIED" on the island. But that person would have to have no family that would want in on Aarron's life. does this mean it was..

Sawyer.

Well, the problem is, especially after having re-watched it, Kates behavior indicates that she is definitely pregnant, and that is why she wants to get off the island. OTOH, they're not going have it be that she just happened to name her own son Aaron.:rolleyes: So I have to conclude that both are true. She really was pregnant, or thought she was, and that really is Claire's Aaron. There's obviously a story to tell in between. As for the flashes, eh, it could be anything...
maybe they really got on the helicopter at some point, maybe they didn't.

That got me thinking... what if Kate is pregnant, but loses her baby and "steals" Claire's? It doesn't sound like something she would do, but it's a somewhat common thing (at least common enough for there to be several movies about it) in the real world. It was just an idea. Or her baby dies and so does Claire, so she takes Aaron as her own. Maybe that's Jack's problem with "accepting" the baby. Hmm... should be fun to find out!

Regarding how Kate could have passed Aaron off as her own, given she was not on the island long enough to have gotten pregnant, given birth, and been found with a 3-6 month old child (however long it is before they get rescued). I think the only answer is that they gained a year or so when they left the island. Like the rocket they hit the time bubble or whatever it is that surrounds the island and bounced a year into the future. They would have experienced 3-6 months on the island but when they returned more than a year, year and a half had passed for the rest of the world. Aaron would have then grown to the size and age we saw while Kate was in jail.

I do. Kate could have lied and said Aaron was hers because something horrible happened to Claire, or because they left her. That would explain a lot of the guilt they feel, and why Jack wouldn't go see him...he feels tremendous guilt.

Exactly right! If Claire was killed, her dying wish was that Kate take Aaron off the island, or if she was not allowed to leave, she wanted Aaron to leave the island.

Or whoever rescued them did not want Aaron on the island and didn't want Claire to leave it, or just wanted them separated. By separating the mother and baby, it could force the people on the island to behave and it could force the O6 to stick to their lies. If the ones on the island started an upheaval, they threaten to kill Aaron. If the O6 start to make waves about continually telling lies, Claire's life would be threatened. This separation could have been set up as a way to control both groups. Just like Juliet's sister and her nephew were used as the carrot to keep Juliet in order.

I think maybe they had us believe for a bit that Kate was pregnant on the island, but it was just to trick us so that the Aaron revalation would be more surprising.

I completely agree with this one too! If Kate was really pregnant why would she have had some wine? Granted she didn't have much, but usually pregnant mothers who know they are pregnant or know there's a chance they are pregnant won't touch any alcohol. I think the "red wine" usage was put in here strictly to show us that Kate did indeed drink and therefore isn't pregnant.

Remember what Kate's mother said. It is a very big clue. She said the doctor's have given her 6 month to live for the LAST FOUR YEARS. She was saying she refused to die without knowing what happened to her daughter. She is stating that Kate's been gone for four years.

We know that 31 second difference is affecting time somehow.

She can pass the baby off as her own. She is claiming an on-island pregnancy while also covering up that time was passing slower on the island.


Absolutely agree - I've been believing more and more in time dilation so this line stood out as a huge clue.

OK, Kate was on the run for a while before being caught and put on flight 815 and she wouldn't go immediately to trial after the rescue but I don't think it was more than a total of four years since she saw her mother if we stick to 'linear time' for her.

Aaron had grown up considerably and was talking. Seemed at least 2 years old to me possibly a bit older. He was only about a month or so old on the Island.

All this "lost time" really confuses me...I need a diagram or a picture - I have a very little brain.
Until I read the boards, I did not doubt that this was Kate's baby - but I had an inkling that Kate had her baby Aaron BEFORE the plane crash, and that, just perhaps, it was her own dad's baby? Remember - she thought he was her stepdad?
(I'm just barking into the wind here, but I like my idea!)
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Oh - and remember on the night she killed him, he gave her more than a fatherly touch!!!!

i think the only logical explanation is that they were on the island until aaron got to be that age (which has to at least be another year). there's no way that they would wait a year or longer to bring kate to trial. OR they tried kate immediately after her return and the trial took a more than a year due to complications? i cannot see aaron growing all of a sudden after leaving the island (how ridiculous would that look?) otherwise, i'd consider this to be a pretty big continuity error.


Except the continuity error would be if they remained on island until Aaron was that age. Kate has to have brought up Aaron for years for him to call her mom. A kid of 4 can not lie and call Kate mom when he has known Claire as his mother for 4 years. Simple answer is Kate becomes Aaron's mom soon and possibly gets off island with the others but doesn't return to civilization right away. Maybe Ben keeps them in hiding until they get the stories down pat or the frieghters or someone.
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Regarding how Kate could have passed Aaron off as her own, given she was not on the island long enough to have gotten pregnant, given birth, and been found with a 3-6 month old child (however long it is before they get rescued). I think the only answer is that they gained a year or so when they left the island. Like the rocket they hit the time bubble or whatever it is that surrounds the island and bounced a year into the future. They would have experienced 3-6 months on the island but when they returned more than a year, year and a half had passed for the rest of the world. Aaron would have then grown to the size and age we saw while Kate was in jail.

The problem Lobby is that theory does not hold weight with Aaron calling Kate mom. If when you leave the island you grow older or what not the Aaron would suddenly be older but not experienced those years which then makes no sense why he would be calling Kate mom. The only explination is that Kate has been rasing Aaron for a few years and he has completly forgot that when he was a baby Claire was his mom and believes Kate is the only mom he ever had. A 2 or 3 year old kid would not be able to lie and call Kate mom if Claire was his mother and Kate just took him months ago. Even with the sudden aging, that would not make sense. Aaron has to have spent years with Kate as his mother for him to believe Kate is his only mother. So time suddenly aging everyone does not make sense here because although it would account for Aaron's age, it would not explain Aaron calling Kate mom. He had to have experienced years with Kate to call her mom. Not just months.

Kate's mother's illness is a clue. Kate's mother was diagnosed with cancer in the flashback in Born to Run. Assuming the "6 months to live," thing was given to her there (and it presumably was, given Kate's urgency to see her mother before she dies), that means four years elapse between that FB and the trial. So how do we date the FB in Born to Run? Simple. That's the same episode that Kate's friend Tom is killed in, and in Exodus, Part 1 the Marshal mentions that Kate got her friend killed two years before the crash.

So Kate's mum was diagnosed with cancer in 2002, the crash was in 2004 and the trial was in 2006. This would make Aaron a little over two years old at the time. However, the Marshal and Kate's mum could have been fairly liberal in their descriptions of time, so we could add up to another six months on that, taking us into early 2007, presumably a few months before Jack's flashforward in Through the Looking Glass.

Kate's mum specificly says: "It all changed when I thought you were dead. My doctors have given me 6 months to live for the last 4 years". To me it's pretty clear that the 4 years refer to back since the crash, when she thought Kate was dead.

So it's a clue that the FF takes place 4 years after the crash.

Aaron looked like he was about 3 or 4 with Kate at the end. Can we assume that the O6 will be leaving the island fairly shortly to allow for plotlines about getting back? If thats the case, it probably wouldn't take 4 years for Kate to have to face the music for her past.

So when did Aaron grow? Did he have a big growth spurt on the heliocopter as they were leaving the island?I don't think he looked 4 years old at all. I thought he was 2-3 years old but a big boy. He's been big from day one so I wasn't surprised at how big he'd gotten. But I do think that this period of time is a year or so after they left the island. It's not unusual for cases to take that long to go to trial. Unless I missed a date mentioned somewhere ... I think it's a year or so in the future.

Dharma brand baby formula??
lol ; )






"Driveshaft, more like Suckshaft"

Kate's mum specificly says: "It all changed when I thought you were dead. My doctors have given me 6 months to live for the last 4 years". To me it's pretty clear that the 4 years refer to back since the crash, when she thought Kate was dead.

So it's a clue that the FF takes place 4 years after the crash.

Are you saying that Diane's will to live became stronger when she thought Kate was dead?

There was some urgency in Kate's visit to her mother in What Kate Did. Her diagnosis fits with Werthead's timeline and the timeline does work well with the age of Aaron in the Eggtown episode ...if indeed Aaron is Claire's son.

It all depends on the context of how you interpret Diane's statement. Another sign of great writing.

I still think until we are told specifically that this Aaron is Claire's Aaron, it's just an assumption.

It certainly seems like the show wants us to think the two Aarons are the same kid, but you should never assume anything with Lost. Until you are told categorically, be doubtful.

Yes, he's *probably* Claire's Aaron, but something about how it was presented to us makes me hold back from just blindly accepting that.

I also agree that Kate was reacting consistently with being actually pregnant. Again, no assumptions can be made, but my thought is that she was lying to Sawyer. It's also possible that she thinks she's pregnant but is wrong.

Simply put, we need more answers! :)

I've read most of the posts in this thread, but not all, so forgive me if I duplicate something.

-- As others have mentioned, there's clearly a difference between time ON the island and time OFF the island, or some time travel happening. That would explain both Walt's age and Aaron's, although some of the timing mentioned earlier (trials taking two years, crash timeline, etc...) also make sense.

-- I believe Jack is reponsible for Claire being left behind or getting killed. Hence, he feels tremendous guilt, which is why he wants to get back to the island and why he's started drinking. It's also why he has avoided seeing the baby. He's either killed or abandoned his half-sister (accidentally, knowingly or unknowingly). "Abandoned" reinforces the "we've got to go back" storyline. "Killed" reinforces the tremendous guilt storyline. Jack perpetually needs to "fix" things, which also explains his need to get back. He obviously makes some decision that negatively effects everyone involved. Hence, why he's also so ready to lie to protect the remaining survivors.

If Claire was alive, why wouldn't Kate want to go back? Either Claire's dead or Kate thinks it's hopeless. It's possible that -- having given birth on the island - that Claire can't leave, but that seems to be a stretch.

It was a flash-forward. There, mystery solved regarding Aaron's size. What's next?

Ok for anyone who is saying this might not be Clarie's Aaron, come on. There is looking into Lost and then there is looking into Lost so much you look right through it.

They built the entire episode toward revealing the child. The lawyer, Kate and Jack all built towards his reveal. Not only that but it was the big reveal at the end of the episode. In Sayid's flashforward the big reveal is he is working for Ben. Kate's is she has Claires child and is making the child believe she is his mother.

Some people are saying that Kate could have named Aaron as a tribute to Claire? I got to ask, where does this come from? Talk about a jump the shark moment. Claire and Kate have never been super close. Kate is close to Jack, Sun and Sawyer and to a lesser extent Sayid and Hurley. So the question would be why would she name the kid Aaron when she is not even really close to Claire. On top of that if Sawyer is the father and its his kid and he's still on island why oh why oh WHY would she not name the kid James. It makes no sense. I mean having the kid not be Aaron's Claire would make about as much sense as Kate naming the child Richard. See, makes no sense.

The writers revealed Kate's kid to be Aaron to add even more mystery to the future flashes. Not only are we left wondering about the 6, we also wonder who is shutting them up, why Sayid works for Ben, why Hurley see's Charlie and so does other people, why Jack wants to get back to the island and now what happened to Claire that Aaron is not only off island, but why is he calling Kate mom.

To question if this is Claire's Aaorn is the same as people who were actually questioning if Ben's flashback was a lie and it was all made up.

I just feel these discussions would be so much more productive if we all accepted that this is Claire's Aaron. I mean why would anyone think TPTB are just pulling smoke and mirrors here? Really what would the point be to it not being Claire's Aaron? There would be no further story there. Although if it is Claire's Aaron then there is so much more story there. TPTB just added another fold to the story of Lost.

I believe it all as to do with "island time"

Another thing, most of us are assuming that Aaron is gonna be taken off the island with the Oceanic 6. What if he is 'rescued' later on and, somehow, given to Kate?

Could be HGH, maybe he wants to grow up and be a baseball player...lol

The problem Lobby is that theory does not hold weight with Aaron calling Kate mom. If when you leave the island you grow older or what not the Aaron would suddenly be older but not experienced those years which then makes no sense why he would be calling Kate mom.

Reread my post, you misunderstood. I said nothing about people suddenly being older when they left the island. I said nothing about sudden aging. To the person leaving the island it would seem like passage through the bubble would take minutes but to someone in the outside world it would seem like their passage took maybe a year. Aaron would not suddenly grow leaving the island. He would be 3 to 6 months old leaving the island and 3 to 6 months old arriving on the ship. But it would be 2004 when he left the island and maybe 2005 when he arrived. The outside world would have grown older not him. Clear now?

Sayid and Desmond left in the helicopter at the end of episode 3 but still had not arrived at the ship by the end of episode 4. I think they hit the time bubble at the wrong bearing. Daniel warned the pilot to keep to same bearing they came in on but something must have gone wrong.

The only explination is that Kate has been rasing Aaron for a few years and he has completly forgot that when he was a baby Claire was his mom and believes Kate is the only mom he ever had. A 2 or 3 year old kid would not be able to lie and call Kate mom if Claire was his mother and Kate just took him months ago. Even with the sudden aging, that would not make sense. Aaron has to have spent years with Kate as his mother for him to believe Kate is his only mother. So time suddenly aging everyone does not make sense here because although it would account for Aaron's age, it would not explain Aaron calling Kate mom. He had to have experienced years with Kate to call her mom. Not just months.

Aaron was 3-6 months old when Kate was found and she could have only partly raised him given she was in jail long enough for her sentence to be "time served". Still Aaron knew that Kate was his mother from visiting her in the jail. Even so it wouldn't take a toddler years to call a caretaker mom. Their memories are not that great at that age. Toddlers who are adopted have no problem calling their new parent mom. They quickly forget the birth parent.

If you look in the credits, it has one character named Two Year Old Child. I think this is the way the writers are telling us old Aaron is. I didn't see any other children in the show. But how does Kate explain the timing of the pregnacy? It may be feasible if you factor in the time difference discovered by Daniel

If you look in the credits, it has one character named Two Year Old Child. I think this is the way the writers are telling us old Aaron is. I didn't see any other children in the show. But how does Kate explain the timing of the pregnacy? It may be feasible if you factor in the time difference discovered by Miles.

Yep - if Kate shows up rescued with 'her' child it doesn't take a genius to figure that they would have had to be missing for maybe 9 months in order for the rest of the world to believe it was hers .... by which time Aaron would be around 7/8 months old when he should be a newborn. I'm pretty sure any doctor could figure out that she couldn't possibly have had the baby in the time period.

wouldn't a Doctor be able to see pretty easily that Kate had never given birth to a child( if she went to have her yearly physical)?

Also routine blood tests might give away this fact....after all certain blood types are not compatible
In the real world this is how kids sometimes find out that they have been adopted...or that their daddy isn't really their bio dad

He isnt 3 or 4

if you look closely he is credited not as aaron but as 2 year old boy at the end so he is meant to be 2

Maybe the mistake here is in assuming that the freighter is their means of rescue? It might still be a year or two before they get off.

How do you explain Aaron's size?

Stacking HGH with breast milk:)

The kid was old enough to say mommy so its safe to assume hes 2 or older. Now given that he is a little over three months old "on" island, and two off.....Theres something like a year and 7 months in linear age between island aaron and flahs forward aaron.

The catch is....The public believe aaron is kates...so its safe to assume that in their cover story kate was recently impregnated prior crashing on the island....So going with that assumption Kate would have spent 8 or so months on the Island pregnant..gave birth...then aaron would have had to age two years to look as old as he does in the Flash Forward. So thats makes it around 2 years and 9 months between Kate Crashing on the Island and the Flash Forward.

So there is something of a Year and change difference between Kates cover story and what actually happened.

It was definitely Claire's Aaron... That's definitely *not* an assumption, since the foreshadowing they gave for that with the scene where Claire and Kate were doing laundry was clear as day.

Maybe but I don't make any definites about this show. We have been twisted and tricked and left with our mouths open so much so how can we just sit back and confidently say what this is and what that means. Some things are more obvious though and I agree that there has to be something to that scene - why Kate didn't want to pick up Aaron - but nothing about it is as clear as day to me. :undecide:
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Couldn't there be a whole parallel thing going on with the FF. When Jack was on the stand didn't he say that they crashed in the water and only 8 people survived? Haven't done my 2nd watching yet. It could be Aaron, but in the FF world he has always been Kate's Aaron or
Another possibility. Jack didn't seem to want to see Aaron. Maybe it's not because it's his child and doesn't want to own up to it.

Maybe Kate did something so terrible that Jack doesn't want to be reminded of it by seeing Aaron

yeah like Kate having this kid by Sawyer for instance. Jack can't handle that issue yet.

Kate's a very good liar. She could have lied to Sawyer when she told him she wasn't pregnant.

How do you explain Aaron's size?

There are probably some crazy crazy growth hormones in all the food that Dharma has been dropping off on the island. Plus now Aaron gets to eat EGGS :biggrin:

That could be where they're going with it, but it doesn't make much sense to me. If that's Jack's nephew, he should want to see him, shouldn't he? Wouldn't Jack want to protect his family, just like he did the losties on the island, without just trusting someone else to do it? I just can't see him shunning his own relation, specially an innocent one. It seems very out of character for Jack. The way Kate talked, it sounded like Jack wouldn't even look at the kid because he loved her and maybe someone else was the father. I can't really see Jack being that way either though.

And to get back OT, we have no idea how much time has passed yet, so I don't have a problem with Aaron's size.
I am with you on this one. I thought I heard her call the kid Eric, not Aaron at the end of the episode. The kid has blond hair just like sawyer. Why wouldnt jack want to see Aaron? Which leads me to believe that that is NOT Aaron.

or there is no explanation **edited**

Walt hit puberty and because people got so up in arms about it they had to put that line from locke in the show.

they could have just auditioned for a certain age and gave it 2 the best actor no matter what his height. it's the age that matters!!!

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it annoys me when people pick up on nothing things and then make them a big deal.
if u have subtitles on it clearly says aaron.

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Kate's mum specificly says: "It all changed when I thought you were dead. My doctors have given me 6 months to live for the last 4 years". To me it's pretty clear that the 4 years refer to back since the crash, when she thought Kate was dead.

So it's a clue that the FF takes place 4 years after the crash.

I disagree, the crash was in 2004, the FF in TTLG was set in 2007. If Eggtown's FF took place 4 years in the future, that would place it after the TTLG FF and Jack doesn't even remotely seems like the mess he is in TTLG.

The credits said '2 year old boy', I'd say that the trial takes place roughly 2 to 2 1/2 years from current island time.

I have absolutely no doubts at all that the Aaron in Kate's FF is Claire's Aaron.

I am with you on this one. I thought I heard her call the kid Eric, not Aaron at the end of the episode. The kid has blond hair just like sawyer. Why wouldnt jack want to see Aaron? Which leads me to believe that that is NOT Aaron.

Here's the link to this week's Video Podcast: http://abc.go.com/video/index?playlist=20795&clip=83339

Evangeline Lily clearly states the baby is Claire's Aaron, but she's not sure how she now got Aaron.

Most likely, I think, the baby is Claire's Aaron. With all of the chaos and crazy Locke degenerating more and more, Claire dying seems to be the likely reason why Kate has Aaron.

The O-6 could be rescued immediately and there be no big issue with Aaron being 2 at Kate's trial.

We already know there is a time differential on the island. So the Losties perceive they have been on the island a little over three months, however, time back home could have advanced by over a year. This being the case, the O-6 can lie and say that Kate gave birth on the island.

This would be easy enough to prove/disprove. All that is needed is a DNA test. Of course, this would only be requested if someone doubted that Aaron is Kate's baby. Would the public have a reason to question it? Doubt it. Why? If the other survivors say it's her baby -- well, then, they would likely know as far as the general public would be concerned. Maybe the DA thought Jack was the father and that's why she asked if he was in love with Kate. Again - maybe. If she wanted to know for a fact, a DNA test could be done, but she'd have to have a reason to get the court to force the issue.

Likely - they are rescued very soon in the time-line we are currently being shown. But who said their rescue would be made public immediately? Getting off of the island NOW does not equal the world knowing that fact NOW.

Perhaps the perpetrators of the Sunda Trench hoax plane are involved, and take some time to save face on that issue before "rescuing" the O-6 in front of the public. They may even be planted on an island in the South Pacific to be "rescued" by another agency not connected with those who dummied up the fake plane. This would also prevent any disclosure as to the location of the Lost Island.

At any rate - more time can pass before their rescue is made public, giving time for Kate to bond with Aaron and for Aaron to grow.

Evidently, part of whatever deal is made with the O6 is that the Kate-as-Hero lie will be told to give her character a boost when she faces trial. A jury can forgive a whole lot for a hero -- especially if the initial crime, the murder of her stepfather, is portrayed as rescuing her mother from an abusive spouse and herself from an abusive, lech of a step-father. All of her crimes that followed are a direct result of that murder and her trying to escape/survive. Years pass and she returns a hero and new mommy. Juries may be told to stick to the facts - but perception is EVERYTHING. A juror does not have to prove anything as to WHY he or she vote guilty or not guilty. And winning a jury trial can be done in spite of evidence. It has happened plenty of times in the past.

So in sum - I think the O6, plus Aaron are rescued soon. They are taken elsewhere while cover-ups and cover stories are created. Time passes. They are dramatically "rescued" from an island in the South Pacific. Much celebrity and press. Possibly much time in the hospital recovering from deprivation on the island. And finally, Kate is brought to trial.

My more than 2-cents.

I'm still not convinced that it's Claire's Aaron. The biggest reason for me to not buy it is how she would really get custody of him. Even if it was Claire's dying wish for Kate to raise him, that's not going to hold up in a court of law. Kate's accused of some pretty big crimes and is in jail until her trial. So, where's Aaron when all of that's going on? There's no mention in her trial or her deal about maintaining custody or anything like that. Surely that would have to be decided also?

Sorry, but I just don't buy it. I think it's totally possible that Kate is pregnant now and has her baby after arriving back in civilization and names him Aaron in tribute to Claire's Aaron. That's why she's so eager to get off the island, even knowing that she's going to have to face the music. Kate's a runner and I just can't see any other reason why she wants to go back. It would also explain Jack's aversion to the baby because he knows it's Sawyer's.

I think the end credits for Eggtown referred to the tyke as "two year old boy". I did not see this but it was mentioned on another thread.

Well, according to Michael Faraday:

"The time that you perceive the helicopter to have been gone, is not how long it has been gone.


I think that comment is very telling....

I'm still not convinced that it's Claire's Aaron. The biggest reason for me to not buy it is how she would really get custody of him. Even if it was Claire's dying wish for Kate to raise him, that's not going to hold up in a court of law. Kate's accused of some pretty big crimes and is in jail until her trial. So, where's Aaron when all of that's going on? There's no mention in her trial or her deal about maintaining custody or anything like that. Surely that would have to be decided also?

Sorry, but I just don't buy it. I think it's totally possible that Kate is pregnant now and has her baby after arriving back in civilization and names him Aaron in tribute to Claire's Aaron. That's why she's so eager to get off the island, even knowing that she's going to have to face the music. Kate's a runner and I just can't see any other reason why she wants to go back. It would also explain Jack's aversion to the baby because he knows it's Sawyer's.


Talk about coming out of left field here. I mean what purpose and point would there be to naming Kate's real son Aaron. She has never been close to either Aaron or Claire. It would be like Kate naming her kid Desmond. It wouldn't make sense.

Also if Sawyer is the father why oh why would she not name the kid James and instead name him Aaron when other then a few moments here and there she has rarely interacted with Claire or Aaron.

Really, its stretching to say Kate named her kid in tribute to Claire when her and Claire have never been close. I mean why not just name the kid Lapidus in tribute to the man who possibly flies them off the island. Your rationale just makes no sense. Maybe if she was close to Claire but right now I can name Sawyer, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Sun, Daniele, Carl, Ben's daughter, Charlie, the arresting sheriff just to name a few people who she is closer to than Claire. I mean it would not only make NO SENSE to name the kid Aaron in tribute of someone she was not even close to, what would the point be from a storyline perspective? None, where as if it really is Claire's Aaron the storyline's are wide open.



As to the explination about Kate having Aaron its not that hard for to claim when she returns to America its her kid. As to the court's, the would not take away her kids until after the trial because as the American court system says, innocent until proven guilty. Everyone who is arrested for a reason not relating to a child does not lose their kid. If that was the case then the adoption agencies would be holding so many kids it would be unable to hold all of them. Per law as long as there is a caregiver in place, the defendent does not need to give up her child as during her trial. Its obvious Kate had a caregiver in place cause when she finally returned home someone was caring for Aaron.


There is absolutly nothing to imply this is not Claire's Aaron. Not only from what we saw on the show but what was said in the podcast by Eva. She stated who the child was. End of story. Same with the time travel thing with Desmond. TPTB stated yes it was time travel, end of story.

Aaron could be a spacechild......maybe like the 3 toed statue.

Thanks Gromit...no doubt its fun to dissect different parts of the show and bounce ideas off each other, but some of this does get ridiculous. "Not Claire's Aaron," "Charlie isn't really dead." I think people would get more out of it if they just enjoyed the ride a little bit more.....not to mention TPTB are rolling on the floor laughing about most of this anyways. For example, TPTB teased what seasons 5 and 6 will center around. What did JJ say about season 5? That it would focus on the Hurley's deck incident....:biggrin:

Evangeline Lilly confirmed in the podcast that the baby is Claire's Aaron.

Evangeline Lilly confirmed in the podcast that the baby is Claire's Aaron.


Done and done.....thanks for the Claire-ification! Oh my God that was lame....I shouldnt post like that...:lipsseal:

I think too many people are reading more into Diane's comment about "6 months to live for the past 4 years" She is not saying it has been four years since the crash but four years since she was first diagnosed. Kate visited her mother in the hospital 2 years prior to the crash (the Marshal says so) and she obviously had already been diagnosed judging from her condition. Also, we can infer that Kate's trial takes place about 2 years after the crash (maybe 18 months after rescue) due to the age of Aaron. The actor playing Aaron was credited as 2 year-old child (this could mean 2 and 6 months so it is not exact). The only questions that I can see from this is how Kate passed Aaron off as her own, what happened to Claire, why Jack doesn't want to see him, and if Daniel's time experiment change anything. In regards to this thread, I don't see how Aaron's size is an issue at all. He definitely did not look like a 4 years old, maybe a large 3 year old, but since he is actually credited as a 2 year old, well there you go :)

To everyone who thinks Kate is lying about being pregnant, I'd like to say I got the impression from that scene that she CAN'T get pregnant; as in IMPOSSIBLE.

There are plenty of women out there that have had things happen that cause them to be incapable of becoming pregnant. For example, one of my sisters had a couple of ectopic pregnancies but obviously never carried to term; she's been pregnant numerous times and is still childless.

I don't believe Kate is lying about being pregnant, I think she's disappointed that she can't become pregnant which explains a lot about her reaction to Sawyer.

If she's passing him off as her own son, how did Kate explain the age of Aaron at rescue?

It's been said, but I'm going to say it again. Time moves differently on the island than it does in the rest of the world. While the survivors are just coming up on 2005, the rest of the world could be in 2008 just like we are. If this is the case, the 06 could just say that Kate got pregnant insert fitting time here before they got rescued. They're apparently lying about everything else, this one seems kind of obvious to me.

Secondly, we don't know when Jack learns that Claire is his sister.

We don't know IF he finds out that Claire is his sister. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of those character connections that the characters never find out about.

now I am really confused. We have established that Aaron is 2 and everyone thinks Kate got prego on the island. We know from this episode that the world thinks only 8 survive the crash. So I now have to ask- who is the father supposed to be?

No, actually this entire thread is debating whether or not Kate got pregnant or that it's Claire's baby. I'm convinced that Claire dies and Kate has to take over motherly duties. I don't think Kate is pregnant.

Well, according to Michael Faraday:

Daniel Faraday.

That child was not 3 or 4, but rather 2 to 2 and a half. Not only did he not look that old, but he acted younger. I don't think you can go by size alone, but also the fact they referred to him as baby. I think they may have hired a child actor older than 2 and a half just so he could speak the line "Mommy" so that we would know that the child actually considers Kate his mom. This adds to the mystery of what happened to Claire, and when.I'm wondering if she's near the shed and Miles drops the grenade Locke put in his mouth. :eek2: But whatever it is ... I do think that something happens to Claire and Kate takes Aaron to get him off the island. One of main reasons for thinking this is the death of Charlie and what D&C said about Charlie's story being finished. I'm sure that (if) Claire was known (by D&C) to not survive the island and Kate was going to take Aaron then it would make sense that they felt Charlie's story had reached it's conclusion ... since they would have known that there was no where for these two to go in S04.

The baby could be named after aaron, in his honor. I got the impression the way Kate was talking that the baby was Jack's. Anyone else get that?No, I didn't get that at all. I can't think of any reason why she would name the child after Aaron. Many of us have speculated since Danielle stole him and Ethan & Co tried to remove him from Claire pre-birth that there was something special about him and I think this is just leading up to what that might be.

Remember when the fortune teller told Claire that she had to be the one to raise aaron? I don't think that Claire would have just given up her boy. The way Kate has been manipulating people lately, I could see her doing something a little crazy, but who knows?I was talking about this with a fellow Lost fan today. But for me it brought up 'what will happen to Aaron if Claire doesn't raise him?'

No, you didn't imagine it. Kate's mom said she'd was given 6 months to live for the last 4 years. This goes back to when Kate visited her before the crash.

Assuming that diagnosis was close to kate's visit, the crash was within the last 4 years. But we don't know how long it was from the time Kate visis her mother in the hospital and the crash. But it was awhile. She had to befriend bank robber friends and break into the bank where the toy plane was. Then she had to go to Australia and spend 3 months on the farm with Ray(?). So a year or more probably went by until the crash. Then aaron is born on the island. And now he is by most estimates 2-3 years old.

He is the right age.Excellent summary. I agree.

Couldn't there be a whole parallel thing going on with the FF. When Jack was on the stand didn't he say that they crashed in the water and only 8 people survived? Haven't done my 2nd watching yet. It could be Aaron, but in the FF world he has always been Kate's Aaron or another possibility. Jack didn't seem to want to see Aaron. Maybe it's not because it's his child and doesn't want to own up to it. Maybe Kate did something so terrible that Jack doesn't want to be reminded of it by seeing AaronI think it's guilt, all right but I bet Ben somehow spills the beans that they are brother and sister and now he's got that on his hands as well as his friends left on the island.

Yes she was. She specifically said she didn't want her son in the courthouse after her solicitor said it would generate sympathy for her.Yep. And actually when I saw how young he was, I was surprised by the lawyer's comments because how could a child that young serve as any kind of witness for his mother? What was he planning on doing? Simply showing him to the jury? That wouldn't have proved/supported anything IMO.

I don't think the the baby could be Claire's Aaron. When Jack was testifying, we can assume that he was repeating the story that ALL of the O6 have been telling everyone and that it's the story that the world knows and believes. If that is true, then Kate would have had to have been pregnant before she got to the island and had the baby on the island (as far as the world knows), for anyone to believe that it's her baby. Jack says that they crashed into the ocean, not on the island. A baby could not have realistically survived that, so she can't say that she found him and "she's the only mother he's ever known." I can't really put it all into words, but, that, along with the age of the Aaron that she woke up from bed, makes me believe that her son is also Sawyer's son. I think she did lie to Sawyer about being pregnant. Claire's Aaron would be a huge hole in the story that the O6 are telling. It's got to actually be Kate's babyNothing told or shown to us proves that the baby is known to be her biological child. If she was able to adopt him (if Claire is dead and there's proof of it for the authorities ... and who knows, maybe Claire leaves Kate something in writing), given their celebrity status, the courts may have given her custody. Biological or adoptive ... the child clearly considers her his mother and that's what the lawyer would present.

If you watch the end credits, they list the actor that plays "Two-year old boy". I thought that was interesting. It didn't say "Aaron at two" and made a point of his age. Does this mean that it's not really Aaron - or at least not Claire's Aaron? I agree that he looked a little big for 2.

Also, how are they explaining who the father is and when she got pregnant? Claire was 9 months pregnant at the time of the crash and Kate wasn't. If it supposedly happened on the island, so far none of the 3 known male survivors are acting like Daddy.

I still think that Kate got pregnant on the island and it's Sawyer's baby. Why else is she so eager to leave and why did she get so upset when Sawyer was happy about her not being pregnant? And why does Jack have such a problem with seeing him?

I don't think that just because the baby's name is Aaron that we can assume it's Claire's baby.My guess is that it's to keep us in suspense. Clearly the actor had a character's name. A perfect example is when Michael Emerson was known on the show as Henry Gale. He was credited during that time as Henry Gale but when we found out he was really Ben Linus, the credits changed. It's not unusual for a child or infant to just be credited as 'the child.' Also, if someone missed his name, and it's possible, they could still find him in the credits as 'the 2 year old child.'

the blond hair is a dead give away too that its claire's aaron

WT? How is that a dead give away may I ask? I have blond hair but both my parents have dark brown hair.

I guess time will tell if it is Claire's baby or Kate's, but it is a bit early to be jumping the gun imo.

Aaron looked like he was about 3 or 4 with Kate at the end. Can we assume that the O6 will be leaving the island fairly shortly to allow for plotlines about getting back? If thats the case, it probably wouldn't take 4 years for Kate to have to face the music for her past.

So when did Aaron grow? Did he have a big growth spurt on the heliocopter as they were leaving the island?

What? Judging by his language abilities he is at the most 2 years old.
He is still in a cot.

Something just occurred to me. Charlotte specifically asked if Aaron was Claire's baby and if he was born on the island. So I'm guessing she either dies or stays on the island? Otherwise there's someone out there in the "real world" that knows that Aaron isn't Kate's. Or she's in on the cover-up also?

You guys should check the podcast. Evie says its Claire´s Aaron...

Talk about coming out of left field here. I mean what purpose and point would there be to naming Kate's real son Aaron. She has never been close to either Aaron or Claire. It would be like Kate naming her kid Desmond. It wouldn't make sense.

So she's not close enough to Claire to name her own child after Claire's Aaron, but she is close enough to Claire to raise her son as her own?

So she's not close enough to Claire to name her own child after Claire's Aaron, but she is close enough to Claire to raise her son as her own?


Well last I checked we don't know what happens on point 2. Also raising someone's kid because they die or you kidnapped them is different than naming YOUR child after them. When that happens people have to really love the person they are paying tribute to. If Kate is willing to leave Sawyer behind then how on earth would she be so in love with Claire.

Like it matters anyone, this point is moot. It was STATED in a podcast this is Claire's Aaron. End of story. Just because people don't like where the story is going here doesn't matter it untrue when we have CONFIRMATION that its Claire's Aaron.
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WT? How is that a dead give away may I ask? I have blond hair but both my parents have dark brown hair.

I guess time will tell if it is Claire's baby or Kate's, but it is a bit early to be jumping the gun imo.


Its not early because it was stated in the latest podcast this is Claire's Aaron.

So she's not close enough to Claire to name her own child after Claire's Aaron, but she is close enough to Claire to raise her son as her own?
You don't have to be close to someone to raise a child who needs a mother. It seems that Claire doesn't leave the island, but we know she wants the best for her baby. It's not hard for me to believe that Kate would step up and do something right after all the things that happened in her past.
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It's been said, but I'm going to say it again. Time moves differently on the island than it does in the rest of the world. While the survivors are just coming up on 2005, the rest of the world could be in 2008 just like we are. If this is the case, the 06 could just say that Kate got pregnant insert fitting time here before they got rescued. They're apparently lying about everything else, this one seems kind of obvious to me.

I generally don't quote myself, but I retract this as I realized something. The rest of the world can't be in 2008 as I suggested because the date the plane crashed was Sept. 22 both on and off the island. The printout from The Pearl confirms this. Now I don't really have a theory.

I generally don't quote myself, but I retract this as I realized something. The rest of the world can't be in 2008 as I suggested because the date the plane crashed was Sept. 22 both on and off the island. The printout from The Pearl confirms this. Now I don't really have a theory.I don't think you need to pull that quote totally. I think time began to move differently after Des turned the failsafe key. Daniel has already confirmed for us that there is a 31 minute difference between on and off the island.

A note, since we received a number of reports regarding the statement from the podcast -- taken in context, Evi was talking about her reaction to the script of the last episode, not about reveals for an upcoming episode. Therefore, we're not treating it as a spoiler, as it's referring to events in an episode that has already aired.

Its not early because it was stated in the latest podcast this is Claire's Aaron.

'Tis early where I am, and no I don't watch podcasts ;) I've only watched E4 once but I was convinced that she said Eric......That is the beauty of this show, never know where it will twist & turn.

you also have to remember that when courts try to put people on trial when there famous it takes a long time to get an unbiased jury. since kate and the other five survivors of the plane crash were extreamly famous it could of taken a year or so to finally find a jury that could tri her fairly. That could explain how aaron grew, and why they would have postponed the trial.

Here is how I explain Aaron's size.

I believe Kate's trial takes place in 2008, my reasoning.

1) Diane's statement: DIANE: Because I...It all changed, when I thought you were dead. My doctors have given me six months to live for the last four years. I don't know how long I'm going to last. So I came here to tell you that I don't want to testify against you.

2) The back up:

DUNCAN: Quit posturing, and let's get to it. What are you offering?
MELISSA: Four years in.
DUNCAN: No jail time. Kate Austen is a worldwide hero who saved five other people's lives after a plane crash, and nearly starved to death on a deserted island. And after all that, you put this woman on trial for rescuing her mother from an abusive husband. If you think that jury is gonna give her actual time, then you must have a hell of a closing, Melissa.
MELISSA: Alright. Time served (http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=2128&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C ) plus ten year's probation in agreement that she does not leave the state.
DUNCAN: What does that matter? She can go anywhere she- (interesting)
KATE: No, I'll take it.
DUNCAN: No, wait, Kate--
KATE: Give me something to sign and I'll sign it. And then I walk out the back door. I just...I just want this to be over.
MELISSA: I can do that. Ten years probation, and you stay put.
KATE: I have a child. I'm not going anywhere.

We know from this statement that Kate has spent no time in jail.
DUNCAN: Your honor, my client's been free pending arraignment, now suddenly she's a flight risk?

So, my opinion, the DA is taking Kate's time on the island as "Time Served". = 4 years

Aaron would be around 4ish.

she spent some time in jail, whatever the trial last...so she did actually served some time in jail.
Aaron is not more than 2 years old...
Evi doesn't seem to know more about the story how she Kate end up having "Aaron" in the future...anything can happen...

Amended: Kate hasn't spent anytime in jail prior to the trial. She was taken into custody as a flight risk. It appears the trial lasted 3 days.

I still stand by it is 2008.

Well, for those that want to be spoiled ... TV Guide w/D&C. (http://www.tvguide.com/news/lost-questions-answered/080304-01) I've spoiler fonted the link so that no one will click on it by accident.

'Tis early where I am, and no I don't watch podcasts ;) I've only watched E4 once but I was convinced that she said Eric......That is the beauty of this show, never know where it will twist & turn.
In the March 10-16 TV Guide Magazine, there is an interview between the cast of Lost and the writers of Lost. It is on page 23. This is NOT A SPOILER. It is in writing, public and true. Besides sleek-suited assassin Sayid, Hurley's back in the loony bin, Jack's a suicidal pill-popper, and Kate's playing mommy to Claire's kid, Aaron. (That can't mean good things for Claire. Linddelof says "Gee, Aaron looks like he's about 18 months old. What does that mean?"

So, Aaron is not 3 or 4 and YES it is Aaron not a love child spawned from Kate and Sawyer.

Yeah, he looked about two (three at the most) to me aswell. The topic title made me chuckle.

we dont know if something tragic happens to aaron on the island what if Kate is pregnant and takes the name of her friends fallen son...its not unbelievable. And we could have been fed the scene of Kate and Claire saying you should try it sometime... to get us to automatically think that Kates Aaron is Claire's Aaron

In the March 10-16 TV Guide Magazine, there is an interview between the cast of Lost and the writers of Lost. It is on page 23. This is NOT A SPOILER. It is in writing, public and true. Besides sleek-suited assassin Sayid, Hurley's back in the loony bin, Jack's a suicidal pill-popper, and Kate's playing mommy to Claire's kid, Aaron. (That can't mean good things for Claire. Linddelof says "Gee, Aaron looks like he's about 18 months old. What does that mean?"

So, Aaron is not 3 or 4 and YES it is Aaron not a love child spawned from Kate and Sawyer.

Thank you. So its Claire´s Aaron. PERIOD.

Jack testifies for Kate in 2006 per the new TV guide article.

You mean, says that the baby is Kate's? Hmmm....

Thank you. So its Claire´s Aaron. PERIOD.


so its official.end o story!