Why is Locke killing chickens? they are in otherville, dont they have tools for killing chickens. anyway the real reason for this thread is to talk about Locke's lack of leadership skills.

first he gets duped by his own camp. its like no one listens to him unless he has a gun in his hand. what happened to old Locke that was philosophical and lead through example?

another thing is, whats up with the backgammon game scene? he gets convinced by Sawyer after Sawyer threatens not to play backgammon with him. Is there a deeper meaning about games in LOST?

and one more thing. since Lost began, Locke was a one man show. he would venture out into the jungle and be at peace with the island. Why now is he so worried about everyone else's safety? Why not continue as he was and screw everyone else? I mean if he wants to stay so be it but dont carry extra baggage by taking others even if it is for their own good.

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I agree with your post though LOL I am team Jack all the way. Locke is crazy.

i think you misinterpreted what he said he was doing. he would have blood on his hands if he had just chopped of the head.

He wasn't necessarily choking chickens. Coulda been cutting their heads off with a big cleaver. Hence the blood. But I loved his little smile after he said he'd been killin' chickens. Priceless.

Locke's a terrible leader because he needs constant reinforcement that he's a good leader--his self-doubt makes him impotent, and Ben totally has his number in that regard.

But don't you think the scene with Miles showed he actually HAD learned something? Seemed like a pretty big leap forward (he's evolving!) to me. It was awwwwwesome.

He's way crazy. Check out the life story of Philip K Dick, author of Valis, the book he brought Ben to read. Might be a decent clue as to future Lockean character development.

oh man. it took me forever to come up with that thread title. oh well mods will be mods.

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I still havent decided what team I'm on. hey since we know Ben is alive in the future does he have a team also? If thats true then I want to be on his team.
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He wasn't necessarily choking chickens. Coulda been cutting their heads off with a big cleaver. Hence the blood. But I loved his little smile after he said he'd been killin' chickens. Priceless.

Locke's a terrible leader because he needs constant reinforcement that he's a good leader--his self-doubt makes him impotent, and Ben totally has his number in that regard.

But don't you think the scene with Miles showed he actually HAD learned something? Seemed like a pretty big leap forward (he's evolving!) to me. It was awwwwwesome.

He's way crazy. Check out the life story of Philip K Dick, author of Valis, the book he brought Ben to read. Might be a decent clue as to future Lockean character development.

yes, i read up on Dick this morning. I read that his son almost died and that was why the book Valis was part inspiration to his son's recovery. The book Sawyer was reading The Invention of Morel I found more interesting though. I might have to buy that one and read for myself.

You are right, at the end when he went to see Miles I got the sense of Locke action mode in him. You could see the fire in his eyes.

I don't think he was killing any chickens, I think that was just the excuse that he came up with for why he had blood on his hands, which was really from smahsing the plates against the wall.

I thought it was a comment on Locke being a poor leader. He gives the last of the eggs to Ben and then he kills the chickens. Wouldn't it have been better if he fed/took care of the chickens so they could make more eggs?

yes, i read up on Dick this morning. I read that his son almost died and that was why the book Valis was part inspiration to his son's recovery. .

Dude...Valis was written after Dick suffered what may have been a stroke, but what he believed to be the infusion of a pink laser beam from space. In any case, it basically fratured his personality and he believed himself to be two distinct people, one of whom may have been the embodiment of the prophet Elijah, the other of whom was Horselover Fat, the narrator of Valis. Then he devolved into total paranoia, thinking the FBI and KGB were plotting against him...bad mojo.

So yeah...a guy who becomes totally paranoid after having a quasi-religious vision. Sound like anyone we know?
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I thought it was a comment on Locke being a poor leader. He gives the last of the eggs to Ben and then he kills the chickens. Wouldn't it have been better if he fed/took care of the chickens so they could make more eggs?

OMG. Brilliant.

Also, that was an awful lot of blood, just from smashing his hand into the (cardboard) wall...

I thought it was a comment on Locke being a poor leader. He gives the last of the eggs to Ben and then he kills the chickens. Wouldn't it have been better if he fed/took care of the chickens so they could make more eggs?

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much respect to you but with the edited word in there, this thread doesnt have the same zing to it. *edited**

maggie

i didnt even think of that. he gave his #1 nemesis, the guy that tried to kill him, the last of the eggs.

much respect to you but with the edited word in there, this thread doesnt have the same zing to it. **edited**.

Dude, we all got it. Just because we're not laughing our tushies off doesn't mean we didn't get it. What it might mean is that it just wasn't that funny. My advice: don't play with dragons or taunt Fuselage moderators... there's no future in it.

My take on this initially was that Locke had smashed his hand during his little tantrum, and was washing off the blood. But he could have very well also killed a chicken for his dinner that night...

Dude, we all got it. Just because we're not laughing our tushies off doesn't mean we didn't get it. What it might mean is that it just wasn't that funny. My advice: don't play with dragons or taunt Fuselage moderators... there's no future in it.

My take on this initially was that Locke had smashed his hand during his little tantrum, and was washing off the blood. But he could have very well also killed a chicken for his dinner that night...


well thanks DUDE for the heads up and your in-depth analysis on humor. No one is flying dragons or taunting moderators so please do not be an instigator.

Can we get back to the subject here??? we're talking about Locke and nothing else.

Can we get back to the subject here??? we're talking about Locke and nothing else.

So...like I'm not the one who has repeatedly posted his annoyance at having had a moderator change the subject title... But that's cool. So what do you think about Locke's bloody hands being from his tantrum (which you neglected to address from my comment)?

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much respect to you but with the edited word in there, this thread doesnt have the same zing to it. *edited**

not really caring about the "zing". you really should learn how play within our rules before you are escorted from the plane.

Dude, we all got it. Just because we're not laughing our tushies off doesn't mean we didn't get it. What it might mean is that it just wasn't that funny. My advice: don't play with dragons or taunt Fuselage moderators... there's no future in it.


thanks for trying. sometimes things, well we know how this plays out. :71:

Several chicken-killing possibilities exist. Lack of foresight on Locke's part. More chickens exist, but are no longer laying eggs. Locke isn't planning on staying in Other Suburbia very long.

I only know one thing--Locke was consciously or subconsciously thinking of Ben when he killed the chicken.

I don't think he was killing any chickens, I think that was just the excuse that he came up with for why he had blood on his hands, which was really from smahsing the plates against the wall.

That's exactly what I thought too.

That's exactly what I thought too.

Me too. Especially since Locke as the leader of a self-proclaimed non-democracy can't afford to show weakness.
Admitting that he cut his hand because Ben's mindgames got to him so much that he lost control like that would certainly count as a weakness.

Admitting that he cut his hand because Ben's mindgames got to him so much that he lost control like that would certainly count as a weakness.

An interesting possibility, but the scenes weren't filmed in that way. No blood on Locke's hand in the medium distance shot of Locke storming out of the house after the Ben confrontation. I would assume a director would film a closer shot to reveal a cut right then and there if the viewers were to understand Locke cut himself. During the blood reveal scene, Locke wiped the blood off with Kate looking at his hand, and then did several elaborate flourishes with the hand that revealed no cuts to the viewer.

Blood on the hands of Locke doesn't not portend well for Locke, or the sheep around him. In this case, it's chicken blood. But that might not be the case in the near future.

Why is Locke killing chickens? they are in otherville, dont they have tools for killing chickens. anyway the real reason for this thread is to talk about Locke's lack of leadership skills.

first he gets duped by his own camp. its like no one listens to him unless he has a gun in his hand. what happened to old Locke that was philosophical and lead through example?

another thing is, whats up with the backgammon game scene? he gets convinced by Sawyer after Sawyer threatens not to play backgammon with him. Is there a deeper meaning about games in LOST?

and one more thing. since Lost began, Locke was a one man show. he would venture out into the jungle and be at peace with the island. Why now is he so worried about everyone else's safety? Why not continue as he was and screw everyone else? I mean if he wants to stay so be it but dont carry extra baggage by taking others even if it is for their own good.First, I'm not so sure he was killing chickens. I think he had another temper fit in the bungalow and used that as an excuse for Kate. I could be wrong but if he was killing chickens ... where did they come from? We never see them in camp and I doubt even Ben would have left them penned up knowing they would never come back for them.

Locke has gone alone most of the time but he's always done what he's done for the good of the group. He's told us this many times. He has the interest of the survivors at heart. And I think by his taking those with him that wanted to go, he showed that what he's been telling Jack and the rest all along (that he's done everything for the good of the group) has been truth and his actions proved it.

I'm not sure if there's a real *thing* with the games but they have been used to explain things but in this case, I just think it was what was handy and James knew Locke played. But I could be wrong. I've only watched this ep once, I might get more from that scene on a second watching. Good question on the backgammon.

Blood on the hands of Locke doesn't not portend well for Locke, or the sheep around him. In this case, it's chicken blood. But that might not be the case in the near future.

Pity, I really liked the idea that Locke was trying to hide that he had cut himself.
But maybe he was really just killing a chicken for dinner. But the symbolism of blood on his hand is an interesting one. Foreshadowing? Hopefully not. But I fear it is.

Several chicken-killing possibilities exist. Lack of foresight on Locke's part. More chickens exist, but are no longer laying eggs. Locke isn't planning on staying in Other Suburbia very long.

I only know one thing--Locke was consciously or subconsciously thinking of Ben when he killed the chicken.

I posted this elsewhere I think Locke took a "hissy-fit" He told Ben that was the last of the eggs and Ben still refused to cooperate....Locke throws the food against the wall and still being angry kills the chicken thus denying any future eggs for Ben.

saukkomies - its been dropped

to everyone else. claire mentioned that Locke was in his house cooking all day long and that he was cooking dinner for everybody that night. that same night is when Sawyer arrives at Locke's house to con him but when Locke opens the door to greet him it doesnt appear as if he was expecting anyone over for a dinner party. what ever happened to that dinner? and if he wasnt cooking all day long then what was he doing?

As Kerstin80 mentioned the blood on his hand could be foreshadowing- I think that's what it is. I fear that it means:

Claire is injured when bringing food to Miles or is in close proximity when Miles blows up or at least the grenade, thus causing internal inuries to Claire. Claire may get off the island on a chopper with Aaron, but may die before making it all the way. Certified 100% Speculation on my part.

I don't think he was killing any chickens, I think that was just the excuse that he came up with for why he had blood on his hands, which was really from smahsing the plates against the wall.

yeah, I was thinking that he might have later punched a wall or something, but what you said makes sense too.

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I'm totally a newbie, but I had a few thoughts. The writers on this show are big on foreshadowing.

So, I got to thinking about the chicken Locke killed. Why show it? Why bother writing a scene about a killing a chicken when Locke answers the door? The last two eggs given to Ben could have easily been explained in other ways. (Of course, you would kill a chicken for food after it stopped laying eggs, but I digress.). And I started thinking about a lot of things: Why would the chicken be able to "give birth" on the island and not humans? How did it become infertile to warrent a killing? What rooster is impregnating this chicken? What happened to that rooster? Why not raise some chickens if Locke's on the island for the long term? Why two eggs for Ben and not, say, one egg for Ben and one for Locke or someone else?

All of this led me to believe that the eggs came to represent someone or some people. My feeling is that once these mothers (or others) serve there use, Locke may end up killing them off (or lead them to their death). I only bring up Claire because of the relationship between egg and chicken as a mother-child metaphor. And because Aaron is the only baby/child on the show, I figured the chicken to be a metaphor for Claire, and thus another reason for Jack to hate Locke later on. Confused yet, I am.

It's odd and a little far fetched, but what can you do?

look here, you can't just go taking a wise, compassionate shaman and turn him into a nutcase. That is kinda lame, but it does look like they're doing that....

Why is Locke killing chickens? they are in otherville, dont they have tools for killing chickens. anyway the real reason for this thread is to talk about Locke's lack of leadership skills.

first he gets duped by his own camp. its like no one listens to him unless he has a gun in his hand. what happened to old Locke that was philosophical and lead through example?

another thing is, whats up with the backgammon game scene? he gets convinced by Sawyer after Sawyer threatens not to play backgammon with him. Is there a deeper meaning about games in LOST?

and one more thing. since Lost began, Locke was a one man show. he would venture out into the jungle and be at peace with the island. Why now is he so worried about everyone else's safety? Why not continue as he was and screw everyone else? I mean if he wants to stay so be it but dont carry extra baggage by taking others even if it is for their own good.


He didnt kill a chicken. He hurt his hand when he threw the tray of breakfast food against the wall. He just lied to Kate to look cool.

The chicken thing make me think of the title of the show, the whole "egg" thingy

What came first, the chicken or the egg?
answer http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_came_first_the_chicken_or_the_egg

Consider this; Ben seems to know have a comprehensive file on everyone’s past. How was he able to get this info? So many people on the island are linked in their past & through some type of fate/luck/chicken or egg/vicious circle, they ended up on the Island together. Were they on the plane because Ben knew or had some connection to them prior to the crash or did Ben find out about them after? What came first? I suppose it’s a bit like the chicken and the egg! A vicious circle that has no answer but is the answer really the egg?

Forgive me I'm heading into the twilight zone

I thought that Locke had hurt his hand when he threw Ben's food tray. Regardless of how he got that blood in his hands I think it is a foreshadow of what may happen. Maybe a decision that Locke makes causes someone that he cares for to die (like one of the Losties).

Just the Fuhrer, Hit.... I mean Locke trying to extend his reign of terror.

Locke was washing his hands of blood.

A few episodes back, Sayid was washing his hand with the snow.

Maybe a new reoccurring theme.

I don't think he was killing any chickens, I think that was just the excuse that he came up with for why he had blood on his hands, which was really from smahsing the plates against the wall.

I agree and will take it one step further saying he was punching the hell out of some walls after Ben punked him again.

I agree and will take it one step further saying he was punching the hell out of some walls after Ben punked him again.Perhaps he was punching the hell out of Ben.

Perhaps he was punching the hell out of Ben.

Yeah, we don't REALLY know that he killed any chicken. Wasn't he going on about giving Ben the 'last 2 eggs' earlier? Seems that he would have wanted to keep those chickens around...

Anyway, we haven't yet seen what happened after he got all mad at Ben..... have we?

I am wondering what sort of "dinner" Locke has planned. He said that he was killing the chickens for supper in which his camp members were invited. However, is this really a dinner?

I agree, I don't think he was killing chickens at all. I think he was having yet again another "Locke freak-out", more smashing of walls and things. He can't stop losing his cool.

I am wondering what sort of "dinner" Locke has planned. He said that he was killing the chickens for supper in which his camp members were invited. However, is this really a dinner?

Oh yeah, the 'dinner'. Assuming he didn't really kill any chickens, just what is he planning on serving?? I think we should really be worried about this 'dinner'.

Tongue would be a macabre dish worthy of Poe.

Tongue would be a macabre dish worthy of Poe.

But who's tongue would it be.

BTW, YUCK! :)

If it's charred and served with what looks like a little pineapple - it's Miles'.

If it's still moving and attempts to whisper in your ear as you raise your fork to your mouth - that would be Ben.

LOL - but still, YUCK!

Just the Fuhrer, Hit.... I mean Locke trying to extend his reign of terror.

Oi! Don't be all sore just because Locke is the only one on the island not vulnerable to Kate's hooker pheromones.

Just the Fuhrer, Hit.... I mean Locke trying to extend his reign of terror.

I didn't realize Hitler politely requested people to leave his neighbourhood. I think Kate's just stomping her feet because she can't puppeteer Sawyer the way she oh-so cleverly thought she was. She's selfish, manipulative, and Locke needs to protect the camp from Kate's control-via-sex-appeal, but also take-me-seriously-because-I'm-a-strong-woman confused identity. He should have just shoved her in Miles' mouth.

I didn't realize Hitler politely requested people to leave his neighbourhood. I think Kate's just stomping her feet because she can't puppeteer Sawyer the way she oh-so cleverly thought she was. She's selfish, manipulative, and Locke needs to protect the camp from Kate's control-via-sex-appeal, but also take-me-seriously-because-I'm-a-strong-woman confused identity. He should have just shoved her in Miles' mouth.

Or, just shot her and went about his day...

Perhaps he was punching the hell out of Ben.

Its possible, but I don't think he would have left then came back to do that. He said he killed a chicken I think it was a remark about himself.

I don't think he was killing any chickens, I think that was just the excuse that he came up with for why he had blood on his hands, which was really from smahsing the plates against the wall.

Exactly what I thought....
The chickens story is just a made up excuse.

And thus more meaning to the name "Eggtown".

Its possible, but I don't think he would have left then came back to do that. He said he killed a chicken I think it was a remark about himself.

I had to laugh at that one....

I guess he wasn't having a cluck-cluck-cluckety day.

I guess he wasn't having a cluck-cluck-cluckety day.

Oh, no! Now we have to have a thread on all the 'chicken' references.....

I am wondering what sort of "dinner" Locke has planned. He said that he was killing the chickens for supper in which his camp members were invited. However, is this really a dinner?OMG! What if it's a lunch!?

He really shouldn't have killed that chicken! Chickens need a lot of tending to make more chickens. Where are they going to get more chickens now? Is Locke going to become the Eggtender? Maybe it was the last chicken and it doesn't matter anyway. He did say it was the last two eggs. I wonder if they were the last two eggs ever on the island! If so, Ben should count himself lucky. Still, Locke should have went boar hunting and spared the chicken. They haven't had any good boar for months now, not since he became the Buttontender.

Ok I'm rambling, sorry.

He really shouldn't have killed that chicken! Chickens need a lot of tending to make more chickens. Where are they going to get more chickens now? Is Locke going to become the Eggtender? Maybe it was the last chicken and it doesn't matter anyway. He did say it was the last two eggs. I wonder if they were the last two eggs ever on the island! If so, Ben should count himself lucky. Still, Locke should have went boar hunting and spared the chicken. They haven't had any good boar for months now, not since he became the Buttontender.

Ok I'm rambling, sorry.

OMG! I almost literally fell out of my chair from laughing so hard!

I basically said that same thing earlier (just not in such a funny way), that if those were the last 2 eggs, why the HECK IS LOCKE KILLING CHICKENS?!?!?!

Why would the chicken be able to "give birth" on the island and not humans? How did it become infertile to warrent a killing? What rooster is impregnating this chicken?

I know you probably know this, but chickens can lay eggs without the interference of a rooster. There just won't be any baby chicks in them.

So what..it would be a purely yolk egg? Eww. That would be really dry!

So what..it would be a purely yolk egg? Eww. That would be really dry!

No, it would be like the eggs you buy at the supermarket.

It was supposedly December 25th on the island, so there might have been a Christmas celebrating scene that ended up getting edited out, but the references to Locke cooking a dinner remained.

Also, and this is stupid, but don't they often have some kind of in-joke poking fun at Kate's/Evangeline Lilly's vegetarianism? (Like in ATOTC when Ben served her bacon, and in Enter 77 when she came upon the huge slabs of beef in Patchy's station?)

I've now seen this episode 3 times (initial viewing, showing it to drunken flatmate, showing it to sober flatmate the next day)

How did I miss Locke killing chickens? The only vaguely chicken-related thing I recall is Locke bringing Ben the last two eggs.

Apparently, Locke likes Ben more than Miles, Ben got cantelope and eggs, Miles got a grenade in the mouth. Is it just me or does Otherville seem to be running short on supplies, Ben's refrigerator sure seemed bare. I guess that's another side effect of the destruction of the hatch.

I basically said that same thing earlier (just not in such a funny way), that if those were the last 2 eggs, why the HECK IS LOCKE KILLING CHICKENS?!?!?!
What makes people think that chicken was the only one in the whole island?
What if he killed an old chicken that wasn't laying eggs anymore? Locke can be a lot of things, but he certainly knows too much about survival to kill the last chicken that could give them eggs.

Apparently, Locke likes Ben more than Miles, Ben got cantelope and eggs, Miles got a grenade in the mouth.

Nah he likes Miles just fine, It's called the Sarajevo diet. Tried it for a couple weeks back in high school to prep for bikini season. Lost some wicked weight.

Nah he likes Miles just fine, It's called the Sarajevo diet. Tried it for a couple weeks back in high school to prep for bikini season. Lost some wicked weight.
Yeah, shed pounds through all consuming terror.

I thought it was a comment on Locke being a poor leader. He gives the last of the eggs to Ben and then he kills the chickens. Wouldn't it have been better if he fed/took care of the chickens so they could make more eggs?

Maggie, that's the best laugh I've had in a while:kiss:

Although I think it would be too much to read a lot into it, it could point in a small way to the fact that Locke is definately flying by the seat of his pants, he's not a strategic thinker at this point, he's totally tactical - killing the chicken(s) that lay the eggs so to speak. He's to the point of asking Sawyer (whom he previously sucessfully manipulated to kill his dad) for reassurance. Also I think the whole blood on his hands scene does possibly have some foreshadowing, it was pretty pointed imo

Now I know this is totally far fetched, but since I'm on a caffene roll, I'll throw this out there to be assissinated:
Also, Locke has sort of set himself up as a kind of priest/guru guy, the killing the chicken... is it for food or divination for direction. I know a lot of folks used to (still do) use chickens for sacrifice is this an echo of his mentality ala Boone the sacrifice the island demanded.... I know, nutso(me too, not just Locke:biggrin: )
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I think he killed Ben and we don't know it yet. : ) That was Linus blood not chicken blood! : )

What makes people think that chicken was the only one in the whole island?
What if he killed an old chicken that wasn't laying eggs anymore? Locke can be a lot of things, but he certainly knows too much about survival to kill the last chicken that could give them eggs.

It was a joke :biggrin:
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I've now seen this episode 3 times (initial viewing, showing it to drunken flatmate, showing it to sober flatmate the next day)

How did I miss Locke killing chickens? The only vaguely chicken-related thing I recall is Locke bringing Ben the last two eggs.

We didn't actually SEE Locke killing any chickens - Kate went to visit him and she noticed blood on his hands and he told her that he had just killed a chicken.

Must have been Ben's personal chicken. Ben likes fresh eggs, Ben won't cooperate, Ben's chicken bites the dust. I guess that's Locke's way of saying "SO THERE, TAKE THAT"

:chickn4: :rip:

It was a joke :biggrin:

Ok, it's difficult to notice those things just by reading ;)

Anyway, there's a lot a people around saying killing the last chicken was a stupid move, but no one actually knows if that was indeed the last chicken.
Those two eggs were the last ones in his fridge, but who knows about the others houses.

Need help here. When Locke said the last two eggs could he have been telling Ben that in fact that chicken had reached the end of its egglaying ability? how long does a chicken lay eggs? I don't know the length of a chicken ability to lay eggs.
Any farmer out there?

Need help here. When Locke said the last two eggs could he have been telling Ben that in fact that chicken had reached the end of its egglaying ability? how long does a chicken lay eggs? I don't know the length of a chicken ability to lay eggs.
Any farmer out there?

Or that, he was trying to say 'I am going to be killing all the chickens and therefore there will be no more eggs to be had?'

Maybe it was just symbolism of some darker slaughter that lies ahead.....

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Ok, it's difficult to notice those things just by reading ;)

It's okay - most of the things I say need to be taken with a grain of salt.... :cool:

Oi! Don't be all sore just because Locke is the only one on the island not vulnerable to Kate's hooker pheromones.

Locke is ...Locke. First and foremost, he is faithful to what he beleives to be the truth, namely that the Island is an entity , that he has looked into the heart and found it beautiful, that the Island is a fickle bit@#, . He has gotten religeon, and squared his shoulders to the opposing side who would discredit everything they should have learned. Faith vs. science. I'll take faith every time. :biggrin:

I majored in animal science in college, and took a class on dairy and poultry, where we actually raised chickens one semester.
Maybe because there were only two eggs left, there were no more hens, and the chicken Locke allegedly killed could have been a rooster?
About chickens--a hen starts laying eggs at about six months of age. She'll lay an egg a day until she has an entire clutch, then she'll stop for a day or two and start laying again. That's if the eggs are unfertilized, like what one buys at the grocery store. A hen doesn't need a rooster to lay eggs. They just do it.
But to get a chick, eggs need to be fertilized, and need both for that.
Average chicken life span, barring slaughter, predators or disease, is seven to eight years, tops.
Also, they can't fly very far or high, and need a place to roost where they're protected. They're vulnerable to predators in that respect, but they can run. (Fun to catch if you have to. Critters can get going pretty fast.)

Isn't it Christmas day on the island (possible time anomaly ignored)

So Locke is cooking Christmas dinner for everyone.

Or it could have been cranberry juice on his hands and wants to scare Kate !!!!!!!

What a lovely idea Christmas dinner is :biggrin: a celebration in New Otherton of the birth of a messiah.

Chickens will lay for years but they lay less, or stop when the weather gets colder or the days get shorter. And they will stop laying if you don't take the eggs from them regularly. No rooster needed. ;o)
Since the...what are we calling it, the village?...was vaccated, the chicken(s) probably weren't laying. If Locke didn't kill the last chicken, there should be more eggs to come.
I like the idea that the "I just killed a chicken" comment was about himself. Interesting... Could have been both literally and figuratively at the same time.

I majored in animal science in college, and took a class on dairy and poultry, where we actually raised chickens one semester.
Maybe because there were only two eggs left, there were no more hens, and the chicken Locke allegedly killed could have been a rooster?
About chickens--a hen starts laying eggs at about six months of age. She'll lay an egg a day until she has an entire clutch, then she'll stop for a day or two and start laying again. That's if the eggs are unfertilized, like what one buys at the grocery store. A hen doesn't need a rooster to lay eggs. They just do it.
But to get a chick, eggs need to be fertilized, and need both for that.
Average chicken life span, barring slaughter, predators or disease, is seven to eight years, tops.
Also, they can't fly very far or high, and need a place to roost where they're protected. They're vulnerable to predators in that respect, but they can run. (Fun to catch if you have to. Critters can get going pretty fast.)

Thank you and the others for the info.............so there could be other chickens or not.

What a lovely idea Christmas dinner is :biggrin: a celebration in New Otherton of the birth of a messiah.

:smoke: :toot: :24: :clap: :ntworthy: A new Messiah!

Me too. Especially since Locke as the leader of a self-proclaimed non-democracy can't afford to show weakness.
Admitting that he cut his hand because Ben's mindgames got to him so much that he lost control like that would certainly count as a weakness.I leaned towards this at first but now I'm not so sure. With it being Xmas day and all ... maybe he was making dinner for everyone but it does seem odd that the dinner never happened ... unless it will in another eppy that is later that day.

As Kerstin80 mentioned the blood on his hand could be foreshadowing- I think that's what it is. I fear that it means:

Claire is injured when bringing food to Miles or is in close proximity when Miles blows up or at least the grenade, thus causing internal inuries to Claire. Claire may get off the island on a chopper with Aaron, but may die before making it all the way. Certified 100% Speculation on my part.
I am thinking the same thing, especially since we now know that Aaron is with Kate.

Spoiler is just my theory.(I'm scared that Claire will be the S04 Lostie death. Also, I keep thinking about how D&C said that Charlie's story had reached it's end. If they had planned all along to have Aaron's mother die and Kate take the baby, then it makes sense that Charlie's story had reached its end.)

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I'm totally a newbie, but I had a few thoughts. The writers on this show are big on foreshadowing.

So, I got to thinking about the chicken Locke killed. Why show it? Why bother writing a scene about a killing a chicken when Locke answers the door? The last two eggs given to Ben could have easily been explained in other ways. (Of course, you would kill a chicken for food after it stopped laying eggs, but I digress.). And I started thinking about a lot of things: Why would the chicken be able to "give birth" on the island and not humans? How did it become infertile to warrent a killing? What rooster is impregnating this chicken? What happened to that rooster? Why not raise some chickens if Locke's on the island for the long term? Why two eggs for Ben and not, say, one egg for Ben and one for Locke or someone else?

All of this led me to believe that the eggs came to represent someone or some people. My feeling is that once these mothers (or others) serve there use, Locke may end up killing them off (or lead them to their death). I only bring up Claire because of the relationship between egg and chicken as a mother-child metaphor. And because Aaron is the only baby/child on the show, I figured the chicken to be a metaphor for Claire, and thus another reason for Jack to hate Locke later on. Confused yet, I am.

It's odd and a little far fetched, but what can you do?I think it could foreshadow something grim but I can't see them having it foreshadow Claire if Locke is the one that will kill her. Boone has already died by Locke's *help* so that's been done and Locke would never kill her out-right. Heck, if he can't kill Jack ... he sure can't kill Claire!

The chicken thing make me think of the title of the show, the whole "egg" thingy

What came first, the chicken or the egg?
answer http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_came_first_the_chicken_or_the_egg

Consider this; Ben seems to know have a comprehensive file on everyone’s past. How was he able to get this info? So many people on the island are linked in their past & through some type of fate/luck/chicken or egg/vicious circle, they ended up on the Island together. Were they on the plane because Ben knew or had some connection to them prior to the crash or did Ben find out about them after? What came first? I suppose it’s a bit like the chicken and the egg! A vicious circle that has no answer but is the answer really the egg?

Forgive me I'm heading into the twilight zoneWell, from what we have been shown and told, Ben asked for the info on them after the crash when he asked Goodwin and Ethan to get a list of the people on the plane. Judging from the scene of the plane coming in to the island ... it looked like everyone, including Ben, was shocked at seeing it. I think they pretty much set the stage for its arrival being totally unexpected.

Locke was washing his hands of blood.

A few episodes back, Sayid was washing his hand with the snow.

Maybe a new reoccurring theme.And could it be symbolic for Locke washing his hands of Ben? Ben has the blood on his hands from Locke's point of view and he continues to get suckered in by Ben (which really ticks Locke off). So maybe, after that last sucker punch Ben gave, Locke has decided to simply wash his hands of Ben and go for other fish ... hence his grenade sandwich for Miles. I'm probably looking too deeply, too. But it's so much fun to look for deeper meanings on this show. :biggrin:

Oi! Don't be all sore just because Locke is the only one on the island not vulnerable to Kate's hooker pheromones.You tell' em! Don't go hate'n on Locke. Locke needs a :hug: :biggrin:

I guess he wasn't having a cluck-cluck-cluckety day.In my best JoAnn Worley voice: "Is that another dumb chicken joke?" (Ah, just reliving my youth and Laugh-In. Thanks!)

What makes people think that chicken was the only one in the whole island?

What if he killed an old chicken that wasn't laying eggs anymore? Locke can be a lot of things, but he certainly knows too much about survival to kill the last chicken that could give them eggs.
Well, first we never see any chickens. The only time (unless my memory is failing) we see *a* chicken is when one wandered near the Talies' camp. So we

We don't know if there are any more chickens at all.
We don't know if there really were any chickens there then (eggs don't mean the chickens were still hanging around. And I can't see Ben & Co. taking the time to let them out before they vacated Otherville ... so, technically, wouldn't they have starved to death by now being locked in their coops?)
And I doubt that Locke has been in Otherville long enough to determine if a chicken has reached its egg-laying-end. I think that would take a few days of observation.