From the front section of the plane

Front Section/Cockpit (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=520)
Front Section/Cockpit (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=462)

Dead Guy Kate takes shoes from (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=427)

Pilot in tree (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=614)
Bodies in pool WTCMB (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=147&pos=113)

Stinky Black Rock skeleton (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-486-73.html)
Black Rock (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-486-74.html)

The body known as Goodwin (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-757-251.html)

Gold Tooth - DEM (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-358-253.html)

Bring me the head of Roger Work Man (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=87329&fullsize=1)

The Pit (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-648.html)
The Pit II (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-649.html)

TTLG
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-960.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-961.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-962.html

Pretty much this whole section of the pit.

something bothers m with the throttle on this last pic
maybe a pilot could help me there
the throttle looks like it's on idle or reverse thrust
this may have a meaning in understanding the crash
well anyway, that is, if they bothered to go into such minute details when they shot the scene

does anyone have any idea what could have done that to the pilot? like... what could make him all...gross.. likea that?

The way the pilot wastorn up reminds me of the boar in I think it was NUMBERS when it was hanging in one of Danielle's traps. (Maybe the MONSTER was never told don't play with your food before you eat it. ;) )

Sam
Are we looking at all the dead (don't forget the waterfall dwellers) ? Do you think it's suspicious there looks to be very little body trauma in the dead? How would they have died? None of the passengers in the pictures seemed to have on their oxygen masks?

Very cool observation about the oxygen masks!*

Now that you mention it, did anyone in the cockpit have one on?* How about that copilot who shot through the door?* Or the pilot?

The way the pilot wastorn up reminds me of the boar in I think it was NUMBERS when it was hanging in one of Danielle's traps. (Maybe the MONSTER was never told don't play with your food before you eat it. ;) )

Sam
Are we looking at all the dead (don't forget the waterfall dwellers) ? Do you think it's suspicious there looks to be very little body trauma in the dead? How would they have died? None of the passengers in the pictures seemed to have on their oxygen masks?

YEP, No oxygen masks on. Also, it looks like we saw very few dead people (in screen caps). There were 20 bodies in the fuselage. Where's everyone else? Maybe it was all of the people that got oxygen masks on that were saved. We see, Kate, the Marshal, Jack, & Charlie get oxygen masks on.

Now that we know that Sam likes to 'see dead people' :laugh: :laugh:
Jacks three seat group on the plane only one O mask
So if not having the mask killed one. Bernard would have been a 'sitting duck'

Not sure but will check think that you use reverse thrust to slow you down when landing but will ckeck.

Not sure but will check think that you use reverse thrust to slow you down when landing but will ckeck.

reverse thrust can be used to increase the descent speed in case of an emergency such as depressurization where you need to go down as fast as possible

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=472


In this photo, is that a clock just to the left of Jack's forehead? If so, it stopped at straight up 4 o'clock.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=472


In this photo, is that a clock just to the left of Jack's forehead? If so, it stopped at straight up 4 o'clock.



Good question but I think it might be some other instrument. It certainly wouldn't fit the 6 hours into the flight the instruments went out.

For some reason the dead guy in the first pic has always bothered me. I'm not really sure what it is about him. (apart from the fact that he's supposed to be ..dead! :laugh:) I always dismiss people's so called bad vibes about certain characters but I'm getting a bad vibe from him.... :D

Its probably nothing.

Well for one thing he's not wearing a seatbelt that I can see -- you'd think he would have been tossed around a bit.

Are the "instruments" the same as losing radio contact?* I thought he just lost radio contact.

If that was a clock, and it stopped at the time of the crash, would it be on Sydney time, L.A. time, some kind of special Airline Pilot time, or what?* (Any pilots know?)

Well for one thing he's not wearing a seatbelt that I can see -- you'd think he would have been tossed around a bit.

Are the "instruments" the same as losing radio contact?* I thought he just lost radio contact.

If that was a clock, and it stopped at the time of the crash, would it be on Sydney time, L.A. time, some kind of special Airline Pilot time, or what?* (Any pilots know?)

You are right about the radio contact. I just think it's the same thing. Duh. oops

Don't feel bad Sam, at some point I was working on the assumption that they lost radar, navigation and communications and then I finally saw the pilot episode again and realized I had just picked that up from the boards, because everyone was calling it something different.* *:laugh:

Military time, that's the other kind of time I was trying to think of.* But I guess that would be a different kind of clock.

quote author=Kato link=topic=10264.msg190895#msg190895 date=1111351606]
Well for one thing he's not wearing a seatbelt that I can see -- you'd think he would have been tossed around a bit.

Are the "instruments" the same as losing radio contact?* I thought he just lost radio contact.

If that was a clock, and it stopped at the time of the crash, would it be on Sydney time, L.A. time, some kind of special Airline Pilot time, or what?* (Any pilots know?)

Kato
"You think he'd be tossed around a bit"
That's what I meant about the body trauma .* With no seat belt, you think they'd be marked somehow
even if like the Marshall that something from overhead comes down and bangs you in the head.
These guys look more like mannequins or wax statues then people who just under went hurtling through the sky and crash landing. " ??? :-\ :dizzy: :dizzy:

Totally agree, Greeneyed!* The scene inside the plane was of stuff hurtling around bouncing off of people and getting sucked out the back -- if the cockpit broke off too like Kate said, someone without a seatbelt should have been sucked out, or at the very least, battered and bruised.*

Artistic license again?* I'd start an artistic license list, but it would read like a novel at this point.*

quote author=Kato link=topic=10264.msg190895#msg190895 date=1111351606]
Well for one thing he's not wearing a seatbelt that I can see -- you'd think he would have been tossed around a bit.

Are the "instruments" the same as losing radio contact?* I thought he just lost radio contact.

If that was a clock, and it stopped at the time of the crash, would it be on Sydney time, L.A. time, some kind of special Airline Pilot time, or what?* (Any pilots know?)

Kato
"You think he'd be tossed around a bit"
That's what I meant about the body trauma .* With no seat belt, you think they'd be marked somehow
even if like the Marshall that something from overhead comes down and bangs you in the head.
These guys look more like mannequins or wax statues then people who just under went hurtling through the sky and crash landing. " ??? :-\ :dizzy: :dizzy:


That's why I wanted to collect the few screen caps that are around. Something is off. I thought if we had them together we might be able to see something.

I have REALLY looked at the screen caps and I'm not sure at all that it is the pilot (we have been seen being dragged out of the cockpit) that is in the tree.

The man in the tree have more hair and slightly more brown color on it (if the light ain't fooling me).

AND all the things that I could see on the pilot from the cockpit that could have "proved" that it was him, isn't shown in the picture where we see the man in the tree. I have been looking at all the pictures at the pilot in the cockpit and I see different things on him:

In several pics I can see the mans ear clearly (a thing that we can identify a person with pretty good with) – "in the tree" I can't see the ear at all (looks like it has been torn of)

The pilot in the cockpit has an watch on his left arm – we can't see the arm on the man "in the tree"

I can't see several things that kind of makes me think they COULD BE (not are!) the same person: Same clothing, SIMILAR scars on right cheek and all those obvious things.

BUT I AM SURE (proves???) that the man "in the tree" have more hair (and NOT the same color that the actor normally have).
The man "in the tree" is slimmer (look around the waist and the chin).

THE THING I LOOKED AT MOST is the side of his head. Kind of like his (small)* sideburns. I know they aren't long and fat but if you look at this picture you can clearly see some SMALL sideburns in front of the upper part of his ear.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=539

The man in the tree hasn't got those as far as i can see. Can you?

What do you say? When you look closer it doesn't look like that actor at all. Much thinner ...

I don't know if it matters if it is him or the other pilot being thrown out of the plane by the crash. The only differens are that the man that were dragged out of the cockpit might still be alive ...

These guys look more like mannequins or wax statues then people who just under went hurtling through the sky and crash landing. " ???



That's probably what was bothering me about it. It just didn't fit together somehow in my mind but I hadn't taken the time to think it out.

Concerning the body in the tree..I'm assuming that's prop dummy. Would the crew spend time making sure a puppet matches the real person so precisely? Would they count on us going over screencaps with a fine tooth comb? If not they are in for a bit of a surpise. :D

However the idea of the pilot still being alive is intriguing.

Warning...if you are eating food, you may want to skip my post and read at another time. Ok, go ahead.....

My thoughts (and I used to make props and sets for theater, so I have a good eye for this stuff)

1. None of the dead people are decapitated or missing a limb. If you were in a crash that traumatic, you would be pretty badly mangled. These people aren't even bloody. Bad visuals. Obviously homogenized by Disney.
2. Dead body number one looks like Scott/Steve. Please don't tell me they are triplets. ;)
3. In the scene before the crash, they are all reaching for gas masks, but I don't think all the passengers had the chance to put them on. Also, they impact of the crash could have knocked the gas masks off.
4. Why didn't anything burn in this piece of wreckage?
5. That body in the tree is supposed to be the pilot. Pretty sure it is the same guy, or a mannequin made to look like him.
6. What would have caused that kind of trauma to pilot in tree? Dinosaur, maybe? Something very big and hungry.
7. That is not a clock. Some sort of pressure gage, but not a clock.
8. As for the waterfall corpses....AREN'T THOSE THE DUMBEST SPECIAL EFFECTS YOU HAVE EVER SEEN? The prop master needs to be slapped for that - they don't look real at all. And how long were they in the water before being found? They should be bloated....maybe even chewed up a bit by bacteria and fish. And why again, do they have all their limbs? They shouldn't. This has to be one of the cheesiest moments in Lost.
9. Note to prop master - look at some books of what crash victims' corpses REALLY look like. NOT PRETTY!!!!! :-X

My Dad used to work for the FAA as an Emergency Worker. If there was a plane crash in the area where I grew up, he went to it.
He told me of a story one time where he went to pick up a person he thought might still be alive. They had been thrown on the ground out of the plane face down. He went to pick this person up, and their body crumbled like "ground round steak". He said you couldn't see the cuts and all before you touched them, but the person had been cut by the trauma of the plane crash into thousands of little pieces.

Another time, he went to a plane crash, and heard a person moaning. He turned the person over, and they were dead. The mouning sound was because the person had swallowed fumes/gases during the plane crash, and when they were basically cooking from the inside out. Hence the moaning noise.

By the way, when did the Lost Boards turn into RottenDot? :lol2:

Well, it would be a typical misdirect in a murder mystery: show the pilot yanked through the window, show the blood, show the disfigured body in the tree along with the identifying airplane wings.* And then he shows up in Chapter 10 alive and well.* *:laugh:

It has always bugged me that some kind of menacing thing was outside and yet he just stood there in the open, looking around, like he was waiting for a bus.

Interesting information there, artnfilm -- and I appreciate the warning at the top.

It has always bugged me that some kind of menacing thing was outside and yet he just stood there in the open, looking around, like he was waiting for a bus.


Yes. One of my biggest peeves. If something is crunching around and bending trees and just making a big noise outside my window...naturally I'm going to stick my head out to see what's going on.. ::)

Look you don't have to WEAR a red shirt to BE a red shirt. :lol2:

Did you know that somewhere on the ABC Boards, somebody said that the writers refer to the Flight 815 survivors as "meatsocks"? Basically because they are food for the monster.

;D

I'm thinking the noises and the thing that killed the pilot are unrelated.

I think they were gonna show EDITED as the thing that killed the pilot, a red herring to make us think that was the monster, and then later show that the monster is something totally different and unrelated.

Forgot this was a spoiler free area sorry :P

Well, did you know that 800 years ago in New Zealand they had giant birds the size of trees?

The natives hunted them all off the Island in 300 years.

Maybe the same thing is happening here.

(Yes, I watch Animal Planet and Discovery Channel). :angel:

artnfilm

I do agree with you about what you say (bodies, wounds and such)
but

- They air the show on a Disney owned network
- They air it primetime
- This is supposed to be "family entertainment"

how do you expect them to have limbs missing and flying all over the place, this ain't a "Gore" movie lol (no i don't mean an Al Gore movie - which is almost more scary :D )

I think the pilot in the tree and the bodies under the waterfall were the limit to what they were allowed on this show

Of course most of us would have liked some kind of realism, and have something a bit "freakier". But we have to bear in mind what kind of public the show is made for

But there again, what if the crash never really happened, what if the people didn't die of the crash, what if everything was a setup ?


Garuda : beware, you have a spoiler in your post on a spoiler free area

It's ok to show someone being tortured.
There was the guy that was sucked into the jet. Ah but no remains.
You are allowed to show a guy having a large piece of metal sticking out of his chest.

I agree the traums would have been more. That's why I got the pictures together. I wish there were more.

No other bodies or pieces?

The pilot, silly as he was, didn't have the knowledge that there was supposed to be a "Monster" on the island.

Thanks for all the insight

I agree -- why would they deem it okay to show torture, some poor slob dying by inches with shrapnel in his chest, numerous brutal fights, a man in a tree who has been bloodied beyond recognition... and then balk at showing the crash victims looking like actual crash victims?*

I suppose the lack of logic in the cockpit scene could be more continuity error, but I don't think it's just a reluctance to show brutal stuff.

People - we are talking DISNEY here!!!!

I agree -- why would they deem it okay to show torture, some poor slob dying by inches with shrapnel in his chest, numerous brutal fights, a man in a tree who has been bloodied beyond recognition... and then balk at showing the crash victims looking like actual crash victims? *

I suppose the lack of logic in the cockpit scene could be more continuity error, but I don't think it's just a reluctance to show brutal stuff.


Actually, they didn't show torture. We saw Sayid show the sharpened reeds to Sawyer, then walk behind him (where his hands were) and then we see, and hear Sawyer scream. Though it is heavily implied, we never actually see anything that is being done.

As for the fights, none of them have been particularly brutal. No one has been really damaged. It doesn't take much of a slap to bloody someones lip. You can do that with very little impact if the angle is right.

And go back and look at the pilot in the tree. The gruesomeness is really in the head of the viewer. you see what appears to be a torn up body, but it is very clean. It looks like it has been cut open and peeled back, yes ... but look closely. No torn sinews dangling, no organs, no dripping blood (this is the key).

They are keeping Lost within "family hour" rules the same way Peter Jackson got PG-13 rather than R ratings for the Lord of the Rings films. Very careful editing and NO BLOOD. Watch the battle scene of your choice in LOTR and see how much blood can find. You could fit it into a thimble. The way it is filmed and edited, it makes you feel like you have just witnessed absolute carnage, but what you actually see is pretty benign if you turn off the sound and really look at it.

Yeah, but Disney has been known since the 1930s for alot of hypocrisy. Think of the violence of Bambi and Snow White (and all the stuff that gave kids back then nightmares) and then having the audacity to call themselves family entertainment.

No, they needed more $$$$ to get better dummies for bodies in the water.

Actually, they didn't show torture. We saw Sayid show the sharpened reeds to Sawyer, then walk behind him (where his hands were) and then we see, and hear Sawyer scream. Though it is heavily implied, we never actually see anything that is being done.

As for the fights, none of them have been particularly brutal. No one has been really damaged. It doesn't take much of a slap to bloody someones lip. You can do that with very little impact if the angle is right.

And go back and look at the pilot in the tree. The gruesomeness is really in the head of the viewer. you see what appears to be a torn up body, but it is very clean. It looks like it has been cut open and peeled back, yes ... but look closely. No torn sinews dangling, no organs, no dripping blood (this is the key).

They are keeping Lost within "family hour" rules the same way Peter Jackson got PG-13 rather than R ratings for the Lord of the Rings films. Very careful editing and NO BLOOD. Watch the battle scene of your choice in LOTR and see how much blood can find. You could fit it into a thimble. The way it is filmed and edited, it makes you feel like you have just witnessed absolute carnage, but what you actually see is pretty benign if you turn off the sound and really look at it.


I should have said 3 people being tortured if you want to count Sayid/Danielle, Sayid/Some prisoner, Sayid/Sawyer and then after effects for Nadia.

But there is no "Family Hour" reason at all to show anyone in the cockpit without a seatbelt.* And yet they did.* And if that is another continuity error, it's a major one -- it's not a naggy little nitpicky detail, the cockpit broke off while the plane was still in the air (according to Kate) -- so shouldn't anything/anyone who wasn't strapped down have been sucked out of the plane?* *Or at least, not be in the seat?*

i agree that disney cant make things too gory but they should at least make it a bit more real... some blue bodies in a plane arent going to cut it.."hi i just crashed and am perfectly fine! i have no cuts or anything!" is that even possible? the last time i checked that was a pretty major crash.

ABC has shown more graphic things in the NEWS which is on at an earlier hour than LOST.
I hate that they wouldn't show some degree of realism. Fine don't show a body mangled like ground meat or impaled in a tree. There is allot that could be implied without being gory and you keep a degree of realism to the show. . HECK ! Jack had more body trauma than the dead did.

If that was a clock in the picture, it would probably indicate GMT, rather than changing every time they crossed a time zone.

It's possible that the pilot or the flight attendants told the passengers to remove their masks and adopt the "crash position" prior to impact. The masks are only needed at high altitude anyway.

It's been awhile so maybe I'm not remembering it correctly, but doesn't the crash position include wearing your seatbelt?

Another thing, everyone had bumps, cuts and scrapes. They were all pretty battered around you'd think there would have been some complaint about how sore someone was. Yes, happy to be alive but aches and pains.

Come on, at least from Shannon.

Dead Guy Kate took the shoes from (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=427)

It's obvious that the visual crew did not look at too many books on plane crashes.
Unless of course, they were under restriction by Mickey Mouse.
Who knows.

It's obvious that the visual crew did not look at too many books on plane crashes.
Unless of course, they were under restriction by Mickey Mouse.
Who knows.


or unless the lack of crash related wounds was intetional for the sake of the plot

it's true that Jack had more body trauma than most of the dead people :lol2:

so two main options there
- The Lost crew didn't want to be too graphical in the way the showed the bodies for whatever reason (we're not arguing about that)
- The bodies have wounds compatible with the death they had and the lack of wounds, so to speak, is a clue to the plot

in this last option, this would mean that the plane really didn't crash but the crash scene was set up => the people in the plane do not show crash related wounds because they didn't die in a crash at all
They could have been killed on the island, and then put back in their seats to add to the "realism" of the crash scene, since in this scenario,; the survivors have been brought here by someone (the others, ethan, you name it)

So either we see the dead people as an "error", or a business issue, OR we see those dead people as a clue to what caused their deaths

The point is that if they look so "intact" so to speak, maybe it is because they didn't die in a plane crash at all

That's what I'm thinking. Set up crash.

There were a few people that we place other than the beach crash site or not there until later.

Jack
Kate
I can't remember seeing Sayid until later.
Sawyer later lighting a cigarette

I think most eveyone is else is accounted for.

It's obvious that the visual crew did not look at too many books on plane crashes.

The thing is, though -- why would they even need a book?* If someone's flying around in a cabin with debris bouncing off of them, they're going to look battered.* I'm not even saying these people have to look authentically battered, just ... they should have some kind of a... mark on them, you know?* A few bruises, blood running out their nose, something.

That was my theory for awhile that it was a set up. Mostly because of all the crazy things that were so inconsistent to a real crash.
I kept saying they were given a " knock-out" gas instead of oxygen. But recently read if you were anxious and breathing heavy, oxygen could make you pass out .

Wasn't Charlie separate from the beach survivors too? Has anyone made a link where the LOST were located just after the crash? Who was around whom from the circumference of the plane?

But recently read if you were anxious and breathing heavy, oxygen could make you pass out .

I didn't know that.* I guess that explains Jack blacking out, I always wondered about that -- why he would pass out if he wasn't hit on the head or deprived of oxygen.

That was my theory for awhile that it was a set up. Mostly because of all the crazy things that were so inconsistent to a real crash.
I kept saying they were given a " knock-out" gas instead of oxygen. But recently read if you were anxious and breathing heavy, oxygen could make you pass out .

Wasn't Charlie separate from the beach survivors too? Has anyone made a link where the LOST were located just after the crash? Who was around whom from the circumference of the plane?


Charlie was standing in the middle of it all. He almost get hit by pieces flying around from the explosion.

I don't think the oxygen in the masks you get is 100%. I'm not sure but they wouldn't want to knock out the pilot. That's just on planes in general. Don't know about flight 815.

Body of the guy that wouldn't let Shannon & Boone into first class (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=18&pos=221)

Another body that just doesn't look right.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=18&pos=221

Another body that just doesn't look right.


yup it looks weird, but certainely because it's a dummy that is used there

but the picture made me think of something else

Sceve's death : "Every bone in his body were broken"
How is that assumption consistent with someone being tossed around in a cartwheeling-around-the-jungle fuselage ?

That's pretty scary, because the description that was made of Sceve's body is what is the closest to what you'd expect from someone dying in a plane crash (without the seatbelt and flying around crashing inside the fuselage everywhich way)
He was more "trashed" that any other bodies we've seen so far

Did Sceve really die in a plane crash ?

--- gives me a headache :D

quote author=Sam Grant link=topic=10264.msg199967#msg199967 date=1111674983]
Charlie was standing in the middle of it all. He almost get hit by pieces flying around from the explosion.

I don't think the oxygen in the masks you get is 100%. I'm not sure but they wouldn't want to knock out the pilot. That's just on planes in general. Don't know about flight 815.



Sam
I don't know if you can take this as total truth or not but I found it when I tried to search survival tips for a plane crash.
www.weeno.com/art/0900/233.html

The things we find researching obscure and bizarre things on LOST.* ::)

i will question the accuracy of this article, green, lol

it's not because related articles point to :
How to Detangle Your Hair After Washing
or
How to Get Rid of Smelly/Sweaty Feet
or even
Tips on Winning a Street Fight

:lol2: :lol2:

no it's because of two assumptions there
- people being sucked out of the plane. In movies, explosive decompression is always shown as a very long moment, people holding on to seats, flying and trying to resist being sucked out
well, no lol, decompression, for example if a door blows open (which is theoretically impossible since doors are kept tightly shut by the air pressure) is almost instantaneous
It's like when you open a bottle of champagne, it just goes "pop" but the pressure will be equalized pretty rapidly. It is not really like a ballon. The depressurisation is pretty rapid, and the pressure difference between inside and outside the plane is not that big (or we'd need to stay in decompression chambers upon arrival :D )

- oxygen, well it's true that if you breath too hard you may feel side effects, but mostly oxygen provides and exhilarating feeling (you feel high)
You need to breathe normally with the mask, but breathing too hard would first cause a feeling of euphoria which would most likely render it impossible to get to the "comatose" state
And without the oxygen at high altitudes, you could suffer permanent brain damage and possibly death before the plane even reaches the ground

Tarf, so would decompression only affect those loose objects near the break -- is that what you're saying? And only for what length of time, a split second, a second, ten seconds... ?

i am no specialist in explosive decompression lol
it's just things i heard from people who are involved with planes, and some physics about pressures

in the Lost scenario, it's even more easy to picture

air will "want" to go from the higher pressure area to the lower pressure area => from the inside to the outside of the plane

the tail section of flight 815 broke away from the middle section

just think that the plane is your average bottle of champagne (basically the fuselage looks like the wide part of the bottle)
if you open that bottle, the cap will fly away because the pressure inside is greater than the pressure of the room
if our bottle were a plane, there is a possibility that someone be sucked out, just like you may have some champagne sprinkling when the cap goes off (i'm not talking about the fluid coming out of the bottle afterwards, it's another issue)

the cap flying away with quite some strength is actually cause (reinforced) by the fact that the bottleneck is narrow as compared to the bottle's body
this add to the "popping" effect
now if your bottleneck was the same size as the bottle itself, the pressure would have "more room" to get outside the bottle, and the cap would not be flying away

flight 815 broke at the wider part, and the pressure would probably be equalized instantaneously

the time needed to have equal pressures would depend on the size of the hole, and the difference in pressure as well as the volume of air inside the plane
a very big hole would result in instantaneous decompression whereas a small hole may depressurise slowly and maybe even go unnoticed for a while

think of it as a tire on a car
you may have a puncture that will slowly flatten your tire, and you may have a puncture that will make your tire explode and loose its pressure at once

So, the debris probably would not continue to be sucked out of the plane for as long as was depicted?* (In other words, that was one of those TV exaggerated-effect things?)*

It's a lot easier to grasp with the champagne-bottle reference, that was a good one.

And if the plane broke into 3 pieces? the plane was punctured in 2 places at the exact time? How does this effect the decompression? My eyes are spinning around. I am not good with this stuff

The pilot in the tree (http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=552)

Another pic of Front Section Body (http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=388)

no seat belt here?
http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=417


Is this what I thin it is? The outside door on the inside? With Burn Marks?
http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=396

Fixed links

And if the plane broke into 3 pieces? the plane was punctured in 2 places at the exact time? How does this effect the decompression?* * * * * *My eyes are spinning around. I am not good with this stuff


ok let me walk you through that

decompression is one thing, and i do not deny that people will get sucked out of airplanes, just that it does not last as long as movies want to tell us

back to Lost
On Kate's flashback we saw people sucked out of the plane
Decompression is the first thing, but it may not have been de decompression that sucked them out

try to picture the plane as a huge hollow tube, basically that is what it is
this tube is sealed and travels at 900 km/h
now try to imagine what happens it you remove both "lids" or "caps" on this tube, meaning the front section and the rear section of the plane break up almost at the same moment
then winds would engulf the whole middle section at speeds of up to 900 km/h (530+ miles per hour)
ever tried to stick your hand out of the windows of your car at 90mph ? lol i think you get the picture of what it would be like to stand inside such a "tunnel" with such winds (or fly in the air due to the falling of the plane)

actually there are two possibilities for someone to "exit" a plane in the manner we saw people "leave" the plane in Kate's flashback
- sucked out
- pushed out by the wind once the front section is gone. try to imagine yourself in a car cruising at 500 mph without a windshield :lol2:

ok let me walk you through that

decompression is one thing, and i do not deny that people will get sucked out of airplanes, just that it does not last as long as movies want to tell us

back to Lost
On Kate's flashback we saw people sucked out of the plane
Decompression is the first thing, but it may not have been de decompression that sucked them out

try to picture the plane as a huge hollow tube, basically that is what it is
this tube is sealed and travels at 900 km/h
now try to imagine what happens it you remove both "lids" or "caps" on this tube, meaning the front section and the rear section of the plane break up almost at the same moment
then winds would engulf the whole middle section at speeds of up to 900 km/h (530+ miles per hour)
ever tried to stick your hand out of the windows of your car at 90mph ? lol i think you get the picture of what it would be like to stand inside such a "tunnel" with such winds (or fly in the air due to the falling of the plane)

actually there are two possibilities for someone to "exit" a plane in the manner we saw people "leave" the plane in Kate's flashback
- sucked out
- pushed out by the wind once the front section is gone. try to imagine yourself in a car cruising at 500 mph without a windshield* :lol2:


then winds would engulf the whole middle section at speeds of up to 900 km/h (530+ miles per hour)

That sounds even worse than decompression. In, let's say, a real airline accident, like this, if there were any survivors, which section would they have the best chance of surviving in? I realize that no one should have survived.

So let me get this straight in my head.
It would be like traveling (hurtling to ground) in a large wind tunnel ?????
Would the seats have stayed in the plane or upright? I mean structurally wouldn't they have broken apart at that force of a "gale wind"?
Wouldn't we have seen allot more things that were loose flying through the plane too?
Here's another question for the science minded would the oxygen even have worked at the point of losing the nose and tail sections of the plane?

I thought that the nose dislodged from the plane at or just before the initial impact, so they'd experience less of a head on wind, but could still shed debris (and possibly people).

The observation on the oxygen masks is interesting...it's possible that with all the jostling, some people weren't able to secure the elastic on the masks, but you'd think somebody in the section would have gotten it.* Or it could just be a props oversight...* :laugh:

An old body not one of the lostaways - Gold Tooth
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=358&pos=247
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=358&pos=253

Links corrected

Nigerian Preist . Need to find the screen cap. Nice gold tooth.
Gold Oh, something just rang a bell

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=33971&fullsize=1

I have a question re seatbeltless guy: was this before Sawyer came collecting everyone's wallet? Also, I've read elsewhere that the engine couldn't have been running still after the crash, therefore the guy who died on the beach wouldn't have been sucked into the engine. Was this a goof (poetic license) or a clue?

I have a question re seatbeltless guy: was this before Sawyer came collecting everyone's wallet? Also, I've read elsewhere that the engine couldn't have been running still after the crash, therefore the guy who died on the beach wouldn't have been sucked into the engine. Was this a goof (poetic license) or a clue?

There seem to be a few seatbeltless people. The 2 bodies we see in the front section of the plane seem to not have seat belts on and it seems like the co-pilot didn't have his on because he fell out of the door when Jack got it open.

I don't know about the engine not running.

Skeleton (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=486&pos=73) from Exodus part 2. What smells so bad?

Link fixed

SG, he's just picking his nose. :lol2:

or he was really happy to get that nose ring out.

Looking at the screen caps from the HDTV site
www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?keyword=Lost+Screencaps&user=voodoo_in_tx
part 1 of the pilot # 0610, 0707, 0708 there are 3 different bodies and none of them have their seat belts on or oxygen masks. We had caps of the first 2 bodies. The 3rd body is a woman I hadn't seen before. I have this theory 2 times coincidence, 3 times making a statement. The co-pilot didn't have a seat belt on, he fell out the door. Come to think of it I don't think the pilot had a seat belt on either.

Good question but I think it might be some other instrument.* It certainly wouldn't fit the 6 hours into the flight the instruments went out.

It most certainly would. If the plane was scheduled to depart at 9:00 (I don't know the precise time, of course, but based on the Exodus episodes, it seems to be at least before noon), and they flew for 6 hours, then turned around, and flew for another hour before they crashed, the time would be around 16:00 (4 in the afternoon).

About the pressure/winds in the cabin:
Even if only the tail section broke off in flight (or at first), after the pressure was equalized, there's still the slipstream of the plane, that could be sucking people/objects out of the plane.

It most certainly would. If the plane was scheduled to depart at 9:00 (I don't know the precise time, of course, but based on the Exodus episodes, it seems to be at least before noon), and they flew for 6 hours, then turned around, and flew for another hour before they crashed, the time would be around 16:00 (4 in the afternoon).

About the pressure/winds in the cabin:
Even if only the tail section broke off in flight (or at first), after the pressure was equalized, there's still the slipstream of the plane, that could be sucking people/objects out of the plane.

There's a screen cap when Jin is waiting on line behind Jack the clock is 11:15.

what everyone seems to forget is that Jack had a seatbelt on but is found lying in bamboo a few hundred metres from the crash site. so what makes you think the dead didnt have seatbelts on? and talking about the dead not having major injuries... neither did any of the survivors beside Jack and the agent...
people dont survive a crash like that, if it was controlled maybe, as in the pilot managed to bring it in at a reasonable speed and then it crashed, but the air craft breaking up at 20,000 feet, you probably wont find any survivors from similar real life situations.
so you would think well why would they unneccesarily show a major crash and then expect us to believe people survived or the writers ae giving us a very strong hint that this was set up... not set up in the way someone engineered the crash site but that the planes crash was cushioned some way or all the pices were brought in a controlled way?

maybe?

The SETUP CRASH theory is appealing except for the fact that we have 2 survivors claiming they were awake the whole time, Kate and Sayid. Kate may be lying (like shae always does), but we normally trust Sayid's character.

The first body in the screen caps looks like was gently put there to rest, there's no way that passegenr went through the breaking of the plane mid-air, without a seatbelt on, and ending up so nicely in his seat.

In real life, none of them should have survived the crash (Sayid says so specifically to Kate). The setup theory is no good because of Sayid (unless some or all of them were subjected to some sort of induced memory), so we are left with the possibility of TV WORLD, or, another mystery to be solved later in the show.
My head spins.....

The SETUP CRASH theory is appealing except for the fact that we have 2 survivors claiming they were awake the whole time, Kate and Sayid. Kate may be lying (like shae always does), but we normally trust Sayid's character.

The first body in the screen caps looks like was gently put there to rest, there's no way that passegenr went through the breaking of the plane mid-air, without a seatbelt on, and ending up so nicely in his seat.

In real life, none of them should have survived the crash (Sayid says so specifically to Kate). The setup theory is no good because of Sayid (unless some or all of them were subjected to some sort of induced memory), so we are left with the possibility of TV WORLD, or, another mystery to be solved later in the show.

You misinterpret Sayid's remarks. (This has been discussed extensivley on alt.tv.lost.) He never said he witnessed the crash. He just described his attempt at reconstructing it. And yes, Kate's lying. And she apparently knows everything.

The crash was phony, the "pilot" was phony, the Widow of Head Blown Off Guy (in Australia) was phony with a phony story, Lenny (Numbers Muttering Guy) told a phony story, Danielle Rousseau is phony, the Black Rock is phony, the aged dynamite was phony (radio-controlled explosive), and you can be sure whatever the Shaft (inside the Hatch) holds is going to be phony -- and will be destroyed before long, i.e. before anyone gets too good a look at it.

Robert

You misinterpret Sayid's remarks. (This has been discussed extensivley on alt.tv.lost.) He never said he witnessed the crash. He just described his attempt at reconstructing it. And yes, Kate's lying. And she apparently knows everything.

The crash was phony, the "pilot" was phony, the Widow of Head Blown Off Guy (in Australia) was phony with a phony story, Lenny (Numbers Muttering Guy) told a phony story, Danielle Rousseau is phony, the Black Rock is phony, the aged dynamite was phony (radio-controlled explosive), and you can be sure whatever the Shaft (inside the Hatch) holds is going to be phony -- and will be destroyed before long, i.e. before anyone gets too good a look at it.

Robert
Time for transcripts.
From the Moth:
Kate:

What we're doing. . . chasing some phantom distress signal . . . what are the odds of this working?
Sayid:

No worse than the odds of us surviving that plane crash.
Kate:

People survive plane crashes all the time.
Sayid:

Not like this one. The tail section broke off while we were still in the air. Our section cart wheeled through the jungle and yet we escaped with nothing but a few scrapes. How do you explain that?

Sayid is stating a fact!, Our section cart wheeled through the jungle, he is not trying to speculate, or reconstruct.

Time for transcripts.
From the Moth:
Kate:

What we're doing. . . chasing some phantom distress signal . . . what are the odds of this working?
Sayid:

No worse than the odds of us surviving that plane crash.
Kate:

People survive plane crashes all the time.
Sayid:

Not like this one. The tail section broke off while we were still in the air. Our section cart wheeled through the jungle and yet we escaped with nothing but a few scrapes. How do you explain that?

Sayid is stating a fact!, Our section cart wheeled through the jungle, he is not trying to speculate, or reconstruct.

He doesn't necessarily mean he saw it happen, except possibly for the breakoff of the tail section (which was probably a special effect, a projection using the back wall of the section as a movie screen). I and others interpret the cartwheeling remark (and maybe even the bit about the breakoff of the tail) as his accident interpretation based on his examination of the "wreckage" and its surroundings. At least one poster even thought he might simply be repeating credulously what Kate told him.

Robert

He doesn't necessarily mean he saw it happen, except possibly for the breakoff of the tail section (which was probably a special effect, a projection using the back wall of the section as a movie screen). I and others interpret the cartwheeling remark (and maybe even the bit about the breakoff of the tail) as his accident interpretation based on his examination of the "wreckage" and its surroundings. At least one poster even thought he might simply be repeating credulously what Kate told him.

Robert
You are basing your ideas on manipulation of facts. We try to follow the path of things that have been said, or showed. There is no reason to assume that Kate told him so, simply because we never saw her tell him anything about it. The fact that someone posted about it does not give it any basis (read some of the crazy theories around here).
Sayid does not say "It looks like we ended up here after cartwheeling throught the jungle", but rather says Our section cart wheeled through the jungle, that's stating a fact to me, not a hearsay.
but, I believe this debate is not going anywhere in any case.

new body from ...and Found (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-757-251.html)

Hmmm...that's an odd one Sam G.

There's no blood. Obviously, whoever did that wasn't going for the heart either. It's the wrong side of the chest. Do we have vampires on the island? The wooden stake thing is kind of cracking me up!!:biggrin:

Wasn't Charlie separate from the beach survivors too? Has anyone made a link where the LOST were located just after the crash? Who was around whom from the circumference of the plane?

Charlie is standing in front of the fuselage, clear as day.

But Charlie's presence on the beach after the crash has always bothered me and made me doubt the reality of the crash. In the Pilot flashbacks, he runs up to First Class and locks himself in the bathroom to snort a little heroin. Then, when the plane starts shaking, he goes to the closest seat and belts himself in. He did not run back to the middle section of the plane.

When he, Kate and Jack find the cockpit, Charlie's stash is almost directly behind the cockpit, where he was sitting.

How did Charlie end up on the beach? He absolutely did not walk there from the cockpit fuselage - he would have taken his stash with him. And how did he survive? - everyone else in First Class was dead.

Charlie is standing in front of the fuselage, clear as day.

But Charlie's presence on the beach after the crash has always bothered me and made me doubt the reality of the crash. In the Pilot flashbacks, he runs up to First Class and locks himself in the bathroom to snort a little heroin. Then, when the plane starts shaking, he goes to the closest seat and belts himself in. He did not run back to the middle section of the plane.

When he, Kate and Jack find the cockpit, Charlie's stash is almost directly behind the cockpit, where he was sitting.

How did Charlie end up on the beach? He absolutely did not walk there from the cockpit fuselage - he would have taken his stash with him. And how did he survive? - everyone else in First Class was dead.Other people have noticed, or thought they noticed that too, but after going back and watching he does crawl back several rows before getting into a seat. (Somewhere there was a big debate on it) Just reporting what was said.

Thanks Sam G, I didn't know about the big debate! I'll search for it because this Charlie thing really has me confused.

Wonder if this is what happened to the big blonde guy we haven't seen again?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=737&pos=566

Goodwin, finally a body with a name.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=757&pos=251

For some reason the dead guy in the first pic has always bothered me. I'm not really sure what it is about him. (apart from the fact that he's supposed to be ..dead! :laugh:) I always dismiss people's so called bad vibes about certain characters but I'm getting a bad vibe from him.... :D

Its probably nothing.

Actually, it's not nothing. The oxygen mask is hanging around his neck. Like it was pulled down. If he died with it on, even if the force pulled it down, it would be hanging around his chin due to the straps on the mask. And if those straps broke, the mask wouldnt be hanging around his neck. That mask was pulled down around his neck.

Goodwin, finally a body with a name.


LOL - I actually thought about this thread when we heard Eko say "Goodwin" last night!

Keep in mind...at 20,000 feet...the air is about 60 degrees (F) below zero. It would freeze the air in your lungs instantly and your body would freeze solid within 10 seconds...there is no way this could be a real crash if that were the case...

This is my first post so I am not sure if this has been posted or not, but in reference to the pilot not actually being dead, that actor also played a prominate roll in two other J.J 's shows. Felicity as Sean, Alias as Wies. It seems wierd that he would cast him in such a small role. What I am getting at, is maybe he will show up in flashbacks more or maybe he is not dead. I just don't see why he would take the time to be the pilot, if he were to get killed off right away. Does anyone else know anything about this?

This is my first post so I am not sure if this has been posted or not, but in reference to the pilot not actually being dead, that actor also played a prominate roll in two other J.J 's shows. Felicity as Sean, Alias as Wies. It seems wierd that he would cast him in such a small role. What I am getting at, is maybe he will show up in flashbacks more or maybe he is not dead. I just don't see why he would take the time to be the pilot, if he were to get killed off right away. Does anyone else know anything about this?
JJ has known this actor since kindergarten. I've heard that JJ is working on a show for Greg/Weiss/Pilot. Not so strange. You get to have a good friend come to Hawaii for a few weeks.

For some reason the dead guy in the first pic has always bothered me. I'm not really sure what it is about him. (apart from the fact that he's supposed to be ..dead! :laugh:) I always dismiss people's so called bad vibes about certain characters but I'm getting a bad vibe from him.... :D

Its probably nothing.
I see that someone already replied to you but,
Is he the one who's in his seat with his head to the side (I don't feel like going back to click on the link lol)? If so, he's always bothered me too. For some reason, in the picture it looks like his eyes are still open. It could just be the lighting or maybe, :(, he died that way.

http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=43&id=NONAME_001_000_049.jpg The guy that was next to Bernard. The only 2 people that seemed to have has their seat belts on, besides the 2 dead people in the pool.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=814&pos=163
2 others that Mr. Ecko Killed
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=814&pos=171 close-up of one. Interesting .
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=814&pos=243 Female Other that Anna killed.

(They sure do break easily.)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=839&pos=300
Another picture of goldtooth guy from 23rd Psalm

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=814&pos=100 The guy next to Bernard (who looks to have a red shirt on.)

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=839&pos=300 Another picture of goldtooth guy from 23rd Psalm

I'd like to see more discussion of those who got on the drug plane and the bodies found after that plane crashed. They were certainly decomposed enough to have been there for awhile. A gold tooth does help to identify a character who may have gotten on the plane, what of the other passengers and pilot?

ok let me walk you through that

decompression is one thing, and i do not deny that people will get sucked out of airplanes, just that it does not last as long as movies want to tell us

...

actually there are two possibilities for someone to "exit" a plane in the manner we saw people "leave" the plane in Kate's flashback
- sucked out
- pushed out by the wind once the front section is gone. try to imagine yourself in a car cruising at 500 mph without a windshield :lol2:

They were sucked out, but not merely by decompression (that's fairly minor.) As the wind moves past an opening, it drags the air inside the opening along with it, creating a vacuum effect.. a long-lasting sucking effect. The faster the plane is travelling, the more suction there is.

A similar principle was used to created early suction pumps... water was allowed to drain down a hose and past an air opening (with its own tubes, etc.) The rushing water would pull the air from the opening causing suction. The faster the water is moving the more pressure is exerted.

I'd like to see more discussion of those who got on the drug plane and the bodies found after that plane crashed. They were certainly decomposed enough to have been there for awhile. A gold tooth does help to identify a character who may have gotten on the plane, what of the other passengers and pilot? As far as we know, Gold tooth was the pilot. Eko's brother was the body that Eko found on the plane with his cross on.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1024&pos=657

the "real" Henry Gale. (?)

I've spent a lot of time looking at various screen caps and the two dead passangers in the cockpit have always been interesting to me. They don't look like people who have been in a plane crash to me so much as they remind me of crime scene photos of people who have committed suicide. I don't have anything to back it up - it just looks that way to me.

dave

For some reason the dead guy in the first pic has always bothered me. I'm not really sure what it is about him. (apart from the fact that he's supposed to be ..dead! :laugh:) I always dismiss people's so called bad vibes about certain characters but I'm getting a bad vibe from him.... :D

Its probably nothing.

I've spent a lot of time looking at various screen caps and the two dead passangers in the cockpit have always been interesting to me. They don't look like people who have been in a plane crash to me so much as they remind me of crime scene photos of people who have committed suicide. I don't have anything to back it up - it just looks that way to me.

dave Those guys have always bothered me too. No seat belts and no oxygen masks? There is also a woman we catch a brief look of, I don't think I ever got a screen cap of her but I could probably find her on an HD site. I think she looked Asian and she was sprauled across 2 seats.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=847&pos=31 Eko and his brother, Yemi's, body. From the promo pics 23rd Psalm

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=847&pos=25
Yemi's body

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=847&pos=0
Another cap of Gold-tooth

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1049&pos=32
Jason (2/4TR)

Further InstructionsSkull (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=458)
Bones (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=456)

Further InstructionsSkull (http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/SamG1/?action=view&current=issacletters2_1.jpg&refPage=40&imgAnch=imgAnch45)
[url="http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=456"]Bones[/URL


Sam, your skull links to a pic of the golden gate bridge.

Also, many of the links on this page now go to a page that says, "sorry, this module is no longer active." Just FYI.

Sam, your skull links to a pic of the golden gate bridge.Thanks Pen, fixed it.
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Also, many of the links on this page now go to a page that says, "sorry, this module is no longer active." Just FYI.I forgot about that Lost-media changed servers for the photogallery. I'll try and clean it up soon.

Bones (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1185&pos=456)
That one elongated skull might be a bear?

Also, note the backpack (or whatever) with the Pearl DHARMA logo. Wonder who died?

Elongated skulls may be bears, also may be boars that the bears killed or some other animal

That one elongated skull might be a bear?

Also, note the backpack (or whatever) with the Pearl DHARMA logo. Wonder who died?

tabby check out this thread

http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showthread.php?t=60967


there's a medical doctor posting and he says the skull underneath the Dharma logo isn't human unless it had Padgett's disease.

tabby check out this thread

http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showthread.php?t=60967


there's a medical doctor posting and he says the skull underneath the Dharma logo isn't human unless it had Padgett's disease.
pen:) I saw that, and haven't looked into that disease yet...

Someone else posted that it's a normal human skull...just mis-aligned after the fact.

Thanks, Sam G. I'll come back next week and try the links again. (If I remember, that is! :) So many things going on on this board that it can be hard to keep up.)

Most of the links are fixed.

http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showthread.php?t=60967
Is www.thefuselage.org a mirror site of www.thefuselage.com? I tried the link, and followed a few internal links, and MSIE reports the pages as .org, not redirects. Seems like a waste. I wonder if I can get MSIE to report the IP of a page.

Robert

Is www.thefuselage.org (http://www.thefuselage.org) a mirror site of www.thefuselage.com? (http://www.thefuselage.com?) I tried the link, and followed a few internal links, and MSIE reports the pages as .org, not redirects. Seems like a waste. I wonder if I can get MSIE to report the IP of a page.

Robert


I'm not sure, I started using the .org address because around the time of the season premiere, the .com address kept timing out saying it couldn't find the site, while the .org one worked perfectly. Now both addresses seem to work. :confused:

Is www.thefuselage.org a mirror site of www.thefuselage.com? I tried the link, and followed a few internal links, and MSIE reports the pages as .org, not redirects. Seems like a waste. I wonder if I can get MSIE to report the IP of a page.

Robert

Remember the day of the premiere this season? We had all these problems with the board. Karri said that .org and .net are mirror sites and to try and get on using them.

Most of the links are fixed.

Thanks, Sam. Must've been a lot of work.
btw, I always grin when I see your tag-line:

When in doubt, check the first post.

Karri said that .org and .net are mirror sites and to try and get on using them.
So when this site doesn't work, we can try one of the others, and get either the TB or the LB? :confused:

Thanks, Sam. Must've been a lot of work.
btw, I always grin when I see your tag-line:

When in doubt, check the first post.


So when this site doesn't work, we can try one of the others, and get either the TB or the LB? :confused:

From Karri on Flicks n' show
one little secret I will share with everyone, our alternate domains seem to propagate faster since no one uses them. so if thefuselage.com isn't giving you at least SOMETHING in a little bit try thefuselage.net or .org or even the-fuselage.com. One of those might go through quicker.

Thanks again. It was very frustrating last week (or was it the week before?) when I wanted to chat about LOST and I couldn't get to either the LB or the TB. So I'll keep that in mind.

Thanks again. It was very frustrating last week (or was it the week before?) when I wanted to chat about LOST and I couldn't get to either the LB or the TB. So I'll keep that in mind.There was ahuge problems with the new server. We have a sister site Flicks N' Show. Karri is operating that one too so we were able to ask what the problem was. and continued to chat over there.

http://www.flicksnshows.com/showthread.php?p=1114509#post1114509

If it doesn't sign you on automatically your user name and password are the same as here.

Oh yes, I know that place. I go there every now 'n' then to chat about {blush} Nip/Tuck.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1253&pos=31Tricia Tanaka is Dead Up coming episode

Bring me the head of Roger Work Man (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=87329&fullsize=1)

It has always bugged me that some kind of menacing thing was outside and yet he just stood there in the open, looking around, like he was waiting for a bus.

LOL, that's right. I remember that bugged me too. He did seem to be standing there just that casually, practically whistling.
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Keep in mind...at 20,000 feet...the air is about 60 degrees (F) below zero. It would freeze the air in your lungs instantly and your body would freeze solid within 10 seconds...there is no way this could be a real crash if that were the case...

Yes, someone mentioned earlier that their dad worked with accident victims and one victim looked okay, but was the consistency of ground chuck. I believe this is because the person's body freezes in the air, then shatters on impact; but the pieces are held in place by the person's skin, and in time that tissue thaws. This happens to jumpers when their shoots don't open.

They are keeping Lost within "family hour" rules the same way Peter Jackson got PG-13 rather than R ratings for the Lord of the Rings films. Very careful editing and NO BLOOD. Watch the battle scene of your choice in LOTR and see how much blood can find. You could fit it into a thimble. The way it is filmed and edited, it makes you feel like you have just witnessed absolute carnage, but what you actually see is pretty benign if you turn off the sound and really look at it.

Interesting insight. You're right; it's all in the eye of the beholder. What matters is how we are made to feel while watching the show.
The editors never get all the credit they deserve.
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Bring me the head of Roger Work Man (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=87329&fullsize=1)

Hey, sweetie, when I clicked on that link, I got

Fatal error :

Yes, 2 weeks ago some one hijacked Lost-Media now it looks like someone is messing with their photo gallery.

They are keeping Lost within "family hour" rules the same way Peter Jackson got PG-13 rather than R ratings for the Lord of the Rings films. Very careful editing and NO BLOOD. Watch the battle scene of your choice in LOTR and see how much blood can find. You could fit it into a thimble. The way it is filmed and edited, it makes you feel like you have just witnessed absolute carnage, but what you actually see is pretty benign if you turn off the sound and really look at it.

Which makes perfect sense, because it doesn't matter how much violence a child sees as long as he doesn't learn that human bodies have blood inside them...:confused::confused::confused::confused:

The Pit (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-648.html)
The Pit II (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1287-649.html)

TTLG
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-960.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-961.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-962.html

Pretty much this whole section of the pit.

Would think there might have been some more green in the pit, unless it was so dense with bones or else newly made. At least not as long ago as Ben's youth
It has most likely been said but it still reminds me of the killing fields
[http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/mass-grave.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot.htm&h=404&w=597&sz=139&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=-E1zL0lk1X0UeM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bkilling%2Bfields%26gbv%3D2%26sv num%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26ie%3DUTF-8[/URL]

Coupons was this what you were linking to?

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/pol-pot.htm
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/mass-grave.jpg

the picture of the bones
but reading the story kind of compared to disposing in bulk those that were of no use or opposed to tptb

I just reviewed 3:20. Notice the poses of the supposedly dead gas attack victims. Those aren't realistic poses of people who dropped dead; they took positions to keep themselves comfortable while holding the poses for a long period.
The "dead" guy in Saw did a lot better.

Robert