OK, I'm not exactly sure what a "shipper" is, being new to posting, but it seemed to fit my dislike of the Shannon/ Sayid relationship. ;D I'v looked around a bit and can not find a thread for those who share my opinion (but maybe I'm the only one???). So here it is...
Sayid is intellegent, thoughtful, complex (yes, he has a history, but it looks like he has tried hard to leave it behind and maybe even make amends). Also he is fine eye-candy. Shannon is shallow, self-centered and spoiled. She does not ever volunteer to help out, her history reveals that she is manipulative and is not above using "incest" to get her way. OK, I admit she is eye-candy, but other than that, there is nothing there. It just does not seem to fit that Sayid would be drawn to her, other than physically. Just my two cents.

Well, if I thought I'd have a chance, I'd be against Sayid/Shannon, too. :-* He's sooo hot. But since I don't have a chance... :'(...I'd like to see Sayid atleast "not lonely". If its the spoiled little Shannon I can't help but think maybe he's the guy who will finally put the little twit in her place.

Hopefully you will get some fusies to join you. Try coming up with a swell acronym. Just like my doomed LASS... :lol2:.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with disliking a relationship. *I'd like to say that first.

If you don't know what a shipper is, why would you post a topic called "Anti-Shayid Shippers"?

I think your completely wrong about Shannon. *She has begun to help out some more. *She has shown that she's cared for Boone (when Boone and Locke hadn't come back yet, she expressed her fear to Kate). *We don't know her history, so let's not be judge-y.

Shannon is intelligent. *The fact that she could con Boone so easily proves that. *She speaks French and I believe she was reading a science and technology magazine in one episode.

There's more to Shannon than there appears. *Nothing on the show is ever really as it seems. *While Shannon appears to be spoiled, shallow, self-centered, and whathaveyou there's got to be more underneath all of that.

Most of the castaways have conned people. *Some of them have killed people. *Conning Boone out of some money (which clearly wasn't a financial loss to him) hardly compares to murder.

And, no, not everyone likes Shannon and Sayid together.

Just saying...

I agree with theG. Shannon has great qualities that just weren't shown to us at first. She is a strong woman, and I think she will do other good things in future eisodes. Plus, Sayid is a smart guy, and why would he fall for someone that he didn't think was good enough?

I can't help but agree with westcoastblues . I have truly tried to give this shipper a Chance, but it's not working for me. I don't have anything against Shannon. She seems to be trying really hard to soften and get a clue about what is going on around all of them on island, instead of worrying about her tan, nails, etc. But Sayid and her hooking up? :-\ Can't accept it!

Once again, there's nothing wrong with not liking a ship. You don't have to like a character. I'm not defending the ship, but I feel the need to defend Shannon. She gets way too much crap.

I just wanted to add something regarding the Shannon/Boone thing.

It takes two to tango. Nevermind the fact that Shannon was drunk and Boone told her so several times...The blame should not be entirely placed on Shannon.

Everyone likes to bring up how Shannon worries about her nails and tan instead of helping out like other people do (except Sawyer. I wish he'd get as much crap, but I know Shannon gets more). Boone mentioned that Shannon was/is bulimic. Obviously, Shannon has issues with control. Many teenage girls turn to bulimia because they feel they have no control over anything in their lives but their bodies. Everyone deals with a trauma (plane crash) differently. By taking charge and helping others, some people feel in control that way. Shannon's coping mechanism is to change her body in some way because that's the only thing she feels she has control over. Boone always tells her she's useless. I think she's been told that many times in her life so she believes it.

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Sorry for the rant. I just couldn't help myself.

Thanks, theG. You said much of what I wanted to say in defense of Shannon.

Early in the series, Shannon did nothing for me. I thought she was useless and obnoxious, too. Suddenly, once she started helping Sayid with the maps, I did a 180, because we finally began to see how insecure Shannon is. Her hostility and sarcasm are defense mechanisms she's put up against Boone -- who has been very manipulative of Shannon's self esteem in the attempt to get what he wants from her. But since this is a Sayid board, I won't go into Shannon-Boone. ;)

There's a very telling scene in WTCMB about Shannon and why Sayid starts to sympathize with her. While everyone's witnessed how terrible S & B treat each other, they likely have written it off as family problems. But when Shannon's translating the maps, and Sayid criticizes the translations as "not making sense", Shannon takes it WAY personally: "It's not MY nonsense." Sayid suddenly realizes Shannon is not just insecure about her French language skills, but that she has very low self-esteem. In every interaction after that, we see Sayid building up Shannon. The shoes he gives her in the next episode say, "It's okay that you care about your appearance. I accept you for who you are."

While I do think Sayid genuinely likes/is attracted to Shannon, part of him also wants to "fix" her. He sees her potential.

But you might disregard all this. I'm a Shayid Shipper and gasp -- even write Shayid fanfiction.

Perhaps you should PM me with the links to your fic, tatertot. I like the points you brought up, too.

I'll have agree G that Shannon gets allot of crap. And as far as Boone goes, I can't stand the fact that they are even acquainted. I never have liked how he treated her. Even before we knew that they were only step-sibs. I could see through her "seemed" shallowness from the beginning and I liked her right away ... *just not with Sayid.

Done, theG!

I love Shannon and Sayid together. I think that Sayid is the first man in her life that Shannon may actually have a chance to experience real love with. It seems like all of her life she has been judged and has had to hide behind a "snobby" facade to protect herself. She is obviously insecure about things ( I think the obvious pain on her face in WTCMB when Boone called her "useless proves that). Her feelings for Sayid I think are very genuine because he believed in her and gave her a chance. Not many of the others are willing to do that. Sayid, I think, is bringing out the best in Shannon and I think people will be surprised to see how "real" this relationship turns out to be.

OK, I give up. I am definitely in the minority here, so I will keep watching (as if I wouldn't anyway* ;D) and maybe I'll be brought over to the other side.

Anyway, I am predicting

Sayid will be the one to die.

so this may not matter anyway.

I have never used the spoiler font before, I hope I did it right. If not - many apologies!!!!!

You used it correctly.

PLEASE westcoast blues, do not feel pressured to change your opinion because shayid shippers are so, um... enthusiastic about this ship. I find the exact same thing-- I often feel like I'm in the minority about not liking shayid and I feel pressured to just shut up about it. Note I AM NOT TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ANYONE WHO HAS POSTED ON THIS THREAD ABOUT BEING PRO-SHAYID... I'm speaking in general. The abc site has a huge thread about shayid that is like one ginormous clique and if any anti-shayid people dare to post an opinion on it they get torn to shreads. I for one have never liked Shayid and I never will. But I have actually noticed that whenever someone posts an anti-shayid thread, it usually turns into another pro-shayid thread because all the people who are rooting for that ship start posting messages to the contrary, which is fine... But it's a free country and I for one agree with you and join your ship. BTW, don't worry shayid is just one more storyline that will take AGES to unfold... Sometimes it will look like it's working out and sometimes it won't... So just sit back for now and take the ride. Neither shayid shippers nor anti-shayid shippers will get their way entirely-- at least not any time soon.

I think the majority of anti-Shayid-ers are that way because of overgeneralizing/misreading Shannon - this is the thing that I hate as a Shannon fan. But if someone, calmly and personally, dislikes Shayid for more than just because they dislike Shannon, then I will concede that they are free to feel however they want. I

Not that Shannon-misreaders don't have the right to judge the pairing, I'm just saying that opinion should be based more on the pairing than the seperate characters. And, if you like two characters, you can be okay with not liking them together, too. For example: Even thought Charlie and Claire are cute together, and they seem to mesh, I am completely against Charlie/Claire because I don't feel the connection. Whereas I don't find myslef liking Jack or Kate as much as a lot of characters I love, I find JacKate sort of cute/fitting.

(If anything I said was insulting/offensive, it wasn't intentional. I probably misworded my sentiments...)

Love Shayid, but Shannon will have him whipped in no time. I think Claire is the right one for him. True, she's preggers now, but after she has the kid, I think she & Shayid will make great parents. Even if the psychic said she's going to have to raise the kid herself.

OK, I am not ready to give up on being anti-Sayid yet, contrary to what I said a few days ago. I do not like Shannon. So that will start a whole new group of folks geting upset with me, but there it is. She may have a back story that makes her a more sympathetic character - but she may not. So far all everyone has to say in her defense is that she may have been mistreated & she has poor self-esteem, so that is why she acts self-centered & b*thcy. Well, can't all self-centered, b*thcy people say that? So, My problem with Shayid is that the only redeeming quality that we know for sure about Shannon is that she can sort of speak French.
OK, so there it is. This is an anti-Shayid shipper thread after all!!

But it's not very persuassive. We're trying to get you to make good points as to why this ship is so bad, but it's just your personal opinion...And it seems to be your opinion simply because you don't like Shannon.

But who ever said there had to be certain criteria for why people like a ship or why they don't? It's simply an opinion. If someone doesn't like the ship cause they don't like Shannon isn't that reason enough? I don't think the intent of being anti-shayid is to "persuade" others... I don't really care if people like shayid or if they don't. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion. I can only voice my own. I personally don't mind Shannon... I actually kind of enjoy her... But for whatever reason the relationship between these two makes me cringe. I just don't buy it. Maybe for no other reason than that it just happened so suddenly. That's just how I feel. I can't explain it. I also don't like chocolate ice cream but I can't tell you why. I love chocolate and I love ice cream. I just don't like them together. :angel:

I didn't mean it had to be persuasive--just that this poster isn't showing us any reasons why we should be anti-Shannon/Sayid. S/he's not ready to not like the ship, and we're not ready to not like the ship because s/he hasn't given us any reason to dislike it.

Yeah, but my point is wouldn't you keep liking Shayid regardless of what "valid" points anyone made against the pairing? And that's totally cool. Like I can see lots of reasons why some people might like Shayid but that doesn't mean I will start liking them, too. I tend to think people make shipper threads to find common ground with others who like or dislike a pairing-- not to change peoples' minds... I know I can't change anyone's opinion who happens to like Shayid so I wouldn't even try to. I just happen to agree with the people who don't. I know I keep bringing up the abc board (cesspool) but I was trying to explain why I don't like the ship, and the people on the Shayid thread basically told me (quite rudely) to stop posting there because they wanted people who think like they do. Granted they were all probably about eleven years old, but it definitely showed me how futile it is to attempt to influence other peoples' opinions.

I don't think you really understand what I was trying to say, but okay...

Ouch!* Sorry people treated you that way.* ABC Boards = scary!

Sorry if I'm not getting your point... Posts can be hard to get the drift of. But happy easter! :angel:

I'm always cursing the internet. It should make communication easier, but it just muddles things up a lot of the time.

Err...Happy Easter is you're a Christian. I'll take my Happy Spring ;) :D

I need to pop in and say a few things. First, it is so not spring. It snowed here yesterday.

Second, personally I like the Shayid ship. Not just because I love both Shannon and Sayid apart, but also because it just seems to be the perfect paring. It doesn't have all of the whole ooey gooey sweetness that the Charlie/Claire thing does or nearly as much drama as the Jack/Kate/Sawyer thing, it has the perfect balance for the two in the future. For drama there is the whole Boone factor. Also, Shannon and Sayid seem to be more so romantic than just sweet or whatever. This has already been proved. When Sayid gave her those shoes I found it romantic. The kiss thing was romantic. Later when they were on the beach feeding eachother and he was brushing her hair from her face. Also, in Numbers when she let him know that she was concerned about him leaving. All of that was romantic.

I'm not here to try and change anyone's opinion, you can like them or you can't. That's fine with me. It's your opinion and not mine. However, I would like it if you would [i]try[/s] and give them a change in the future. If you don't that's fine with me too.

I don't like the ship because I don't like Shannon. It's as easy as that. I like Sayid & think he is complicated & a relationship with someone else on the island would be good, but there just aren't many women in the main cast so we are stuck with a Shayid - ship.
Like someone else mentioned, I'm not trying to persuade anyone. I was originally wondering if others felt the same way as me. It turns out that most of the folks on this board like the ship & I'm in the minority - but I can deal with that ;D

...And it seems to be your opinion simply because you don't like Shannon.


^^^ We know you don't like Shannon, and that's why you don't like Shannon/Sayid.* No need to be superfluous* ;)

Finally some people who are anti- Shayid shippers! Power to ya! :punk:
SAYID ROCKS!!! SHANNON DOESN'T!!!

^^^ We know you don't like Shannon, and that's why you don't like Shannon/Sayid.* No need to be superfluous* ;)


It doesn't strike me as superfluous to repeat why she doesn't like the pairing in a thread titled "Anti-Shayid." :)

Now, personally, I tolerate Shayid because a) pretty, and b) the point is probably moot anyway. But if I thought there was any long-term investment in this couple, I'd be opposed until someone could tell me what the heck is in it for Sayid. It's easy to see what Shannon gets out of it: someone who treats her as a capable, intelligent adult, while at the same time courting her and flirting with her AND someone who happens to be second or third in the island's alpha-male heirarchy. And someone who's blazingly sexy to boot.

And Shannon offers Sayid what...?

Frequent sex with an enthusiastic partner? Which I'm not knocking--but let's face it, if he put in the same kind of effort (gifts, flirting, romantic dates) he could be getting* sex from any woman on the island except for Claire. And okay, maybe Rose.

I have yet to see Shannon do one thing FOR Sayid (translating doesn't count as being for HIM; it's in their best interests to get off the island).

. . . Sayid is intellegent, thoughtful, complex (yes, he has a history, but it looks like he has tried hard to leave it behind and maybe even make amends). Also he is fine eye-candy. Shannon is shallow, self-centered and spoiled. . . .

Yeah, but opposites attract ;)

OK, I am not ready to give up on being anti-Sayid yet, contrary to what I said a few days ago. I do not like Shannon. So that will start a whole new group of folks geting upset with me, but there it is. She may have a back story that makes her a more sympathetic character - but she may not. So far all everyone has to say in her defense is that she may have been mistreated & she has poor self-esteem, so that is why she acts self-centered & b*thcy. Well, can't all self-centered, b*thcy people say that? So, My problem with Shayid is that the only redeeming quality that we know for sure about Shannon is that she can sort of speak French.
OK, so there it is. This is an anti-Shayid shipper thread after all!!


I know. I dislike Shannon and think she's a word that rhymes with witch. You can't say anything negative about her without all the Shannon folks jumping you. Shannon has behaved selfishly and dishonestly and has minimal redeeming qualities (and she might only have those to make her realistic). So we don't know her back-story. So what? We know what she is acting like now, which is good enough for me. I don't believe she's totally given up her clingy ways and I think Sayid will regret this before it's over.

^^^ We know you don't like Shannon, and that's why you don't like Shannon/Sayid.* No need to be superfluous* ;)


No, it's just because they are totally different!* They would never work! Sayid's a leader, she seems like she's just using him! :o

No, it's just because they are totally different! They would never work! Sayid's a leader, she seems like she's just using him! :o


Just curious, in what way is she using him? I have not seen her using him.

Uhhhh......
1. Nobody thinks that she is useful, so she is just using his image to move up on everyone's 'likeable' list.
2. I think that we all heard what Boone said, "Shannon goes for older guys and she treats them like she loves them and then she dumps them like they never had anything together" or something to that effect.
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I think us Sayid fans just want better for him. Shannon fans want whats best for her. I think that's why we're all feuding so much. :) ;) :D

1. Nobody thinks that she is useful...


I've only heard that from Boone, and he's a little biased. She's proven to be useful. I suggest you check out the Complete Guide to the Art of Defending Shannon Rutherford thread in the Shannon folder.


Uhhhh......
...she is just using his image to move up on everyone's 'likeable' list.

Yous "assessment' of the relationship between Sayid and Shannon is pure speculation. There's been absolutely no evidence of this.


2. I think that we all heard what Boone said, "Shannon goes for older guys and she treats them like she loves them and then she dumps them like they never had anything together" or something to that effect.


Boone's statement is just a tad biased. I'll wait for a Shannon flashback before I believe this completely. I could speculate, but speculation doesn't mean much.

Kayid23 - Well theG pretty much took care of my reply to that! She is the master at defending Shannon!



btw I like both Shannon & Sayid alone and as a couple.

She is the master at defending Shannon! Nobody can beat her! ;)

You're all very kind, but let's not get too carried away.

Not that I mind constant praise and adoration ;D ;) .