Someone knows that the Oceanic survivors exsist and are trying to help them through this mess....

Is this Penny because of Desmonds Time traveling back and forth? He could have told her about what was going on...

I think it's probally Ben's man on the boat

Frank seemed to be a helpful fellow.

I think it is MIchael.

JACOB!! Invisable!!

I think it is MIchael.

That's a very good guess! :biggrin:

I was thinking it was Michael and maybe we'd see a flash of him. I dunno, Frank was pretty helpful, too. maybe Taller ghost Walt was helping them. ;)

Frank does seem to be more on the losties side. I was hoping to find out who it was, but I guess I can't complain about the lack of surprises in this episode.

I think they want us to believe it was Frank, but we'll come to learn it was Michael.

I think Ben's man on the boat is Michael.

I'm going with Michael too...

I think it's probally Ben's man on the boat

I think it was Frank that opened up the door for them. It very well could have been Ben's spy on the boat. I do think that Ben's spy on the boat wrecked the communications equipment

I think they want us to believe it was Frank, but we'll come to learn it was Michael.

Ditto.

Minkowski's hint at "friend" is a sizable one; hints that it's someone they know well/counted as a friend (at one point).

i HATE the idea of the mole being Michael and I've argued that he is to shakey and transparent to be in the espionage business. Now I see Ben's mole is someone who also wants to help Sayid and Des....it's Michael (darn!)

I think Ben's man on the boat is Michael, but I think the person who opened the door was Frank. He obviously is on the Losties' side since he almost flew fl. 815 and lost his friend the pilot in the crash.

totally down with the Michael theory. that is why he did it invisibly - didn't want Sayid to kick his a--.

I don't think Michael ever even met Desmond.

Ok in the scene where where other time jumping guy, Brendan/ Brendon? Says to Sayid and Desmond to help get him to the com center. They ask how? He says that way, and the door is wide open, Heck, the ship is practically abandoned at this point as the move freely everywhere, he says, you must have a friend on this boat. I'm assuming that friend is Ben's man? Although I still have no clue as to who that might be. But great ep!

Why would the Freighters let Micheal walk freely on the boat, especially when they know he is a survivor of 815 and now more survivors were just brought on the boat?

I don't think Michael met Des either but he does know Sayid and maybe would want to help get the Losties rescued as penance or something like that.
It wasn't Penny because she was in London decorating her Christmas tree. Great scene acknowledging Christmas without it coming off contrived, IMO.

Why would the Freighters let Micheal walk freely on the boat, especially when they know he is a survivor of 815 and now more survivors were just brought on the boat?

I think it's Michael. Maybe Michael was intercepted by the freighter and feigns being on the side of the freighties. Maybe Michael made it back to land, and somehow joined (or was recruited into) the crew of the boat.

Ok in the scene where where other time jumping guy, Brendan/ Brendon? Says to Sayid and Desmond to help get him to the com center. They ask how? He says that way, and the door is wide open, Heck, the ship is practically abandoned at this point as the move freely everywhere, he says, you must have a friend on this boat. I'm assuming that friend is Ben's man? Although I still have no clue as to who that might be. But great ep!

Definitely could be Ben's man who left the door open. The guy they are with though is George Minkowski.

I just hope it's not Michael, he's gone so let him be gone, I think he sorta suck as a character
Even tough on dark ufo you see some set pictures and he's there

I'm assuming it's Ben's man and there's been alot of speculation on who exactly this person is. This is NOT a spoiler because I don't know for sure. It's my gut feeling that Ben's man on the boat might be our old "friend" Micheal. We've seen his name included in the beginning of every episode and still have not seen him. Ben said he could leave the island but could be manipulating him for freighter info. We will see.

Other candidates are Miles (if he gave Ben code)
Walt (if he counts as a man)
New Character

I think the "friend" is Michael as well.... Harold Perrineau was listed in the opening credits, but we didn't see him so I don't know what that means...

I think:
Ben's man was peering in long enough to hear what was going on.
Then vanished, with his info to relay back.

It's kind of getting to me how many people think its Michael, when theres really such little evidence in the show pointing towards it being him. Anyways, I think it'd be clever if the "man on the boat" was actually a woman.We've heard that exact phrase a few times now so it sort of sticks out. It seems right up the writers alley.

I was surprised that Sayid could fix all that mess enough to make any sort of call.

I think it is Michael.

Of course it is.

the thing is, after the season 3 finale, i was convinced that Kate's "he" was her son with sawyer and that we were supposed to believe it was sawyer. so now i think they want us to think it's michael but have something else in store for us. or it could be like the case of locke's dad being the original sawyer, which many people predicted right away.

I was also wondering who left the door open. It could be one of 3 people in my opinion.
1. Frank.
2. Meano Franko makes a good point about Michael.
3. Minkowski. Could he have left it open for them in flashback?

At first, I wasn't going to agree that it was Ben's man. Ben's man also wouldn't want anyone to find the island. He would know that our losties are sort of loose canons and will make every attempt to make contact with the outside world. The safest place that they can be is locked in a room. Ben's man may have even been the one to sabatage the communication equipment.

But, if Ben's man is Michael, he would have some allegience to Sayid and Desmond on some level and may try to help them.

I first thought, the door got open by just wishing it (magicbox-properties) then that it was Minkowski moving between different time-levels, but now i'm pretty lost again...

I lean towards Minkowski. He said "you must have a friend on this boat" with a little smirk I thought.

I've been thinking it was probably Frank, but I guess it could be Ben's man on the boat, though I'm not sure what his motivation would be, exactly.

I think it was Walt. I think we'll see Michael on the boat. If Frank, a great pilot, couldn't hold the heading exactly right, do we think that Michael could?

I was thinking about this last night and my first notion was that it was Ben's man on the boat. But with Minkowski's comment on how the jumping times becomes shorter and shorter in duration of time, it could potentially be him helping the losties. This especially makes sense when Minkowski has good cause to return to the communications station.

I'm convinced Ben's "man" is Walt. Folks keep speculating it's Michael, but we saw Ben and Michael's last exchange before Michael got on the boat, so I doubt that Ben ever had the opportunity to communicate any "plan" to Michael.

On the other hand, Walt was in the Others' hands for a long time. We don't know what his loyalties are now, or what he might have been asked to do, or what kind of promise or threat might have persuaded him to cooperate. And, we suspect that he can "project" himself to other places (and maybe even physically interact with objects at a distance). I think it highly unlikely that Michael would be trusted by the freighties enough to get access to the radio equipment and contact Ben. But I do think Walt could project himself to Ben, in order to report on what's going on.

By the same token, I think Walt probably opened the door. He likely also destroyed the radio equipment, because Ben likely did not want any further communication between the freighties and the outside world (Widmore) once they made contact with the island.

By the same token, I think Walt probably opened the door. He likely also destroyed the radio equipment, because Ben likely did not want any further communication between the freighties and the outside world (Widmore) once they made contact with the island.

So why would he do this then? First destroying the radio equipment and then bust out the Losties to repair it?

I immediately believed (and still do) that is was obviously Frank that opened the door. He seems to be growing as a character we can trust and Sayid even has some trust in him. I believe the main reason he is even on this trip is to try and figure out what happened to the plane he was supposed to be flying, so it seems like he would help the passengers of that flight. He opened the door and got out of there so the others wouldn't suspect him. I definitely don't think it was Ben's man unless that man is Michael, but I'm still not convinced that Michael is Ben's man.

I immediately believed (and still do) that is was obviously Frank that opened the door. He seems to be growing as a character we can trust and Sayid even has some trust in him. I believe the main reason he is even on this trip is to try and figure out what happened to the plane he was supposed to be flying, so it seems like he would help the passengers of that flight. He opened the door and got out of there so the others wouldn't suspect him. I definitely don't think it was Ben's man unless that man is Michael, but I'm still not convinced that Michael is Ben's man.
ditto, I'm convinced it's frank, Michael the spy, doesn't hold weight ? :eek2:
even though i'm sure michael is around

So why would he do this then? First destroying the radio equipment and then bust out the Losties to repair it?

It's just a guess, but I'd say it's because while Walt has some loyalty to (or is being manipulated by) Ben, his stronger loyalties are to the Losties like Sayid. He destroyed the equipment at Ben's request, before Sayid and Desmond arrived on the boat. However, when they needed to get to the equipment so that Desmond could talk to Penny (and save his own life), that was something Walt wanted to help with.

Alternatively, Walt is still Ben's man on the boat, but he didn't open the door -- Michael or Frank did. No way to tell yet -- I suspect it was Walt only because no one noticed anyone at the door, so perhaps it was done telikinetically (possibly similar to the way Jack's cell door was opened at the Hydra -- by Karl, perhaps).

With time travel now in play, Ben's man on the boat could be future Sayid as well. :eek2:

I love this show!

Bout 5-10 seconds before Minkowski answers Sayid's question of "How do we get out of here"?! You can hear the door creek open. Gave me the chills.
Ben's man was right there!!
Is it possible that this all part of Ben's 3 step ahead thought process.

Minkowski could not have opened the door.

He was strapped to the bed the whole time Desmond and Sayid were locked in the room. Minkowski could have 'flashed' to the exact time as when the door was locked, but he would still be strapped in the bed...

Frank is the logical choice.

Ben's spy is also a choice, but maybe Ben's spy is Frank. (doubt it)

Actually I thought it was Lapidus.

God, this episode has truly rocked my soul. Probably the best Lost episode of all time.

My Bad, I have a hard time with the minor characters names on the show, I realized after I posted and rewatched the episode that I got the name wrong, but I still think it's Ben's man and I don't think Michael is Ben's Man.

We can rule out Minkowski, his mind TIMEtravelled, so no 2 Minkowski's in the same time :p

It can still be Ben's man, whoever he is, but my vote goes to Lapidus. I hope it was him... (so far) he seems like a person of good will.

With time travel now in play, Ben's man on the boat could be future Sayid as well.

Wow! I like the way you think. I have never heard that theory before....
A little far fetched but creative.

I really think it is Walt. We know that Ben is always ahead of the game and uses every resource he has to his advantage. The Others wanted to get rid of Walt, he creeped them out, especially Julliete. We know that he is special and has some sort of unnatural power. Doesn't it make sense that Ben would use Walt and his mysterious talent to his advantage. If Walt could in fact teleport, mind read or manipulate people:undecide: then he could spy on the freightees and report back to Ben....

Actually I thought it was Lapidus.

God, this episode has truly rocked my soul. Probably the best Lost episode of all time.


I totally agree with the later part. It is definitely in the top 5 episodes of all time but it HAS to be the best episode ever for revelation. No previous episode dotted the i's and crossed the t's of other episodes quite like this one. Yes, it did raise many...many questions, (but don't they all) however it provided intricate information that now makes so many of the oddities of the past possible.

Great episode.

Minkowski could not have opened the door.

He was strapped to the bed the whole time Desmond and Sayid were locked in the room. Minkowski could have 'flashed' to the exact time as when the door was locked, but he would still be strapped in the bed...

YES. Remember guys who think othersie, only the consciousness time travels. If Miniwoski was locked in that room all day, if he traveled back he would be inside that room.

We can rule out Minkowski, his mind TIMEtravelled, so no 2 Minkowski's in the same time :p.

RIGHT.

I immediately believed (and still do) that is was obviously Frank that opened the door. He seems to be growing as a character we can trust and Sayid even has some trust in him..

I don't have any idea who Ben's man is. But I do remember Ben telling Sayid (not the exact words here) ..."Remember what happended the last time you trusted them?"

I don't have any idea who Ben's man is. But I do remember Ben telling Sayid (not the exact words here) ..."Remember what happended the last time you trusted them?"
Yeah, I think Ben said "Remember what happened last time you felt with your heart instead of your gun." and I'm not basing my belief that it was Frank that opened the door just on Sayid's trust in him. I just don't believe Frank is there to do the people that were on the flight he was supposed to piloting any harm. I am also almost sure that Michael is not Ben's man because it never seemed like they had any alone time to go through the whole persuasion thing. Walt on the other hand had time to be persuaded by Ben and he was acting a little weird when he and Michael sailed off, but I wouldn't put much stock in this either.

Not sure if this has been discussed, but what are the possibilities that Ben is his own "man on the boat"? If animals can physically move through time/space, maybe Ben has mastered this by now. I find it doubtful that he leaves the island to travel the world, as his passports suggest. This could be thanks to his strong tie to the island or maybe he has been participating in genetic experiments as well, much like the animals were. This could explain his tumor in a place with no history of cancer.

Also, in their meeting, didn't Miles say "I know what you can do"? If that is the correct wording, he could be referring to this ability. Ben could be visiting the freighter at will and remain anchored to the present, considering the ability can be controlled...something Desmond may be on the verge of learning.

If Ben can do this, it would make sense that he is sabotaging the freighter's communications equipment and in the process bringing information back to his present self. It seems something violent goes down with the freighties from Sayid's FF, so Ben opening the infirmary door could all be part of his plan to instigate something that interrupts their mission.

With Ben being so cryptic all the time, it makes me want to believe there is more to "I have a man on their boat", than just a spy.

Ben being his own man on the boat is quite far-fetched in my opinion. How come when he was saying all the stuff he knew about Charlotte, she seemed so surprised? And how come when he said he had a man on the boat, Charlotte didn't notice him or say he was on the boat? And why would they be looking for someone that was on the freighter the whole time (or at least half the time)?

Yeah, I know it is way out there.
If it were possible, then he would have to be sneaky about it.
Like you said, he couldn't just be hanging around the freighter since they are looking for him in the first place.

I like the Michael theory, but the moment Ben said he had a spy I'd think Charlotte would try getting in contact with the freighter.
"Regina! Kill anyone not on board when we left Figi!"

They would be pretty suspicious of any "visitors" once the communcations equipment was distroyed too. I doubt he/she would be roaming freely opening doors for friends.

Be it Ben or not, I would think the "man on the boat" is someone undetected.

I agree with that. Probably someone we haven't seen yet.

AGAIN, I go to Ben's defense and say that it is not okay to automatically presume that it was not Ben's man on the boat or whatever, 'cause Ben doesn't want the Island to be found- I am pretty sure that Ben is on the Losties side.

AGAIN, with all the time travel included, Ben's man on the boat can be Ben himself (remember how he knows everything about the boat crew??)...Or Michael, or Sayid or anyone else.

AGAIN, *this is NOT a spoiler* I am absolutely positive that Ben is the key to all this, 'cause it seems to me like he remembers everything that is happening= he's been through that already and knows "it" has terrible consequences...It would eXplain pretty much everything, why he said all those specific things like "If you do that, every person on this Island will be KILLED (instead of "will die" for eXample), "Remember what happened the last time you thought with your heart instead of your gun?" and so on...He KNOWS all that's happening right now, but he apparently cannot manipulate everything the way he thinks things should be...Now, my question would be- WHY is he not telling everyone else that he knows those terrible "future" things???

And don't tell me because he's evil. It's either that he thinks they wouldn't believe him, or what is supposed to happen is too terrifying to reveal...Or he simply knows something bad for him and his plans will occur, and cannot risk to eXpose his work or something to the rest...Any thoughts???

The "man" on the boat may not be a man. We haven't seen Regina. Maybe she opened the door.

I think it may be the pilot or the other guy I just forgot his name. lol

I'm convinced Ben's "man" is Walt. Folks keep speculating it's Michael, but we saw Ben and Michael's last exchange before Michael got on the boat, so I doubt that Ben ever had the opportunity to communicate any "plan" to Michael.

On the other hand, Walt was in the Others' hands for a long time. We don't know what his loyalties are now, or what he might have been asked to do, or what kind of promise or threat might have persuaded him to cooperate. And, we suspect that he can "project" himself to other places (and maybe even physically interact with objects at a distance). I think it highly unlikely that Michael would be trusted by the freighties enough to get access to the radio equipment and contact Ben. But I do think Walt could project himself to Ben, in order to report on what's going on.

By the same token, I think Walt probably opened the door. He likely also destroyed the radio equipment, because Ben likely did not want any further communication between the freighties and the outside world (Widmore) once they made contact with the island.

This is my theory as well. I think its entirely possible that Michael and Walt are being held prisoner or otherwise have their mobility restricted in some way. If Michael were Ben's spy, that would be way too easy. If the freighter picked up someone like Michael (and Walt), and then all of a sudden mysterious things started happening (like the communications sabotage), then Michael would be the FIRST person they would come to.

Walt may be able to do any of the things Tramp describes above while being locked up or restricted. If Michael and Walt were locked up in a room and Walt were doing these things telekinetically, then it would make it all the more harder for the freighters to figure out who was doing it.

a lot of people are saying it cant be Michael because Ben didnt get time to tell him to spy or whatever but I'm sure the boat would have a radio that Ben could have contacted Michael on to give instructions while he was still in the island area.

When I first watched the episode was that it was Ben's man on the boat and it could be Michael or Walt (Walt moreso than Michael), even though I was dead set against Michael being Ben's "man on the boat".

Now however after rewatching the show and digesting things better, I think it's most likely Lapidus because how would Michael have met up with the boat? Lapidus flew the helicopter at a bearing of 305 (well almost, at the end it slipped to 310 or thereabouts) and Michael drove the ship at a bearing of 325. So if the Freighter can be found at a bearing of 305, how would Michael have found it at a bearing of 325?

I don't get how it would be Walt as Ben's spy. How would they explain the actor's aging? He's taller and obviously older now. Kids grow fast but not that fast!

I watched the ep believing it was Frank that left the door open cuz he was telling Sayid he is there to help them and i believe him on that, I think he took the job knowing he would do what he wanted to do anyways and what he wants to do is get to the bottom of why his friends death and the death of everyone else on 815 is being covered up.
I dont think Bens man on the boat cares about helping our people
It seems too easy that Michael would be the man on the boat, he is obviously going to be on the boat but they seem to be force feeding us the idea that he is Bens spy.
or Mike is pretending to be Bens spy to get closer to him and also help out his old friends and do all this to achieve redemption.

I believe that Ben's man on the boat is the one that left the door open. As to who the man is I'm starting to believe that it's Frank Lapidus, he seems like the most likely. He let Sayid use the phone to contact Jack and if I remember correctly the people on the boat told him why did he bring aboard the Oceanic 815 survivors. It seems to me that the boat people didn't want the losties on board. Yet Frank brought them on board even at the risk of making the boat people mad. To me it seems like Frank wants to help the losties. Or I could be completely wrong :rolleyes:

It's kind of getting to me how many people think its Michael, when theres really such little evidence in the show pointing towards it being him. Anyways, I think it'd be clever if the "man on the boat" was actually a woman.We've heard that exact phrase a few times now so it sort of sticks out. It seems right up the writers alley.

Regina. :kiss:

Frank is definately sympathetic to the crash of 815 and the survivors, as he has a personal link to them. Whether he opened the door or not, I think we can trust him more than anyone else on the boat.

I don't think Minkowski time traveled to open the door. Otherwise why wouldn't he have just come on in the room and untie himself from the bed?

I don't want it to be Michael or Walt because I just feel like it's so obvious. About it being Frank - did Ben know he was on the island now? Because if it was Frank I don't think he would leave the boat unless he was going straight to Ben, otherwise he would need to stay on the boat to keep up communications.
100%
I don't want it to be Michael, so maybe that's why I don't believe it's him. But how would he have gotten onto the boat? Did the freighter just pick him up in the ocean? If so, how did he explain who he was? They don't seem too friendly. If he told them he was an 815'er, they either would have confined him to question him or do whatever to him (like they immediately locked up Des and Sayid), or they would have had to have told Charlotte, Daniel, Miles, or Frank - who would then probably tell the Islanders that their buddy was on the boat.

It's kind of getting to me how many people think its Michael, when theres really such little evidence in the show pointing towards it being him. Anyways, I think it'd be clever if the "man on the boat" was actually a woman.We've heard that exact phrase a few times now so it sort of sticks out. It seems right up the writers alley.

I agree, I find it unlikely that Michael is on that boat with the evidenced presented in the show. How could Michael have met up with the boat? He left at a bearing of 325, yet the Freighter is located at a bearing of 305 per Daniel, so they wouldn't have met up. If Michael is on the boat, TPTB better have a good explanation for this.

Also if somehow Michael and Walt are on the Freighter I would think they would either be locked up or under watch( as seen with their reactions to Frank bringing back Sayid and Desmond), so how could Michael escape to let Des and Sayid out? If anything, it would be Walt since he can "project" himself out of locked rooms.

My best guess right now is Frank.

Frank is definately sympathetic to the crash of 815 and the survivors, as he has a personal link to them. Whether he opened the door or not, I think we can trust him more than anyone else on the boat.

One thing that bothers me about Frank is that he has this big guilt thing going because he was suppose to be piloting 815. Yet he lands on this island with all these 815 survivors and he doesn't ask about the pilot? Wouldn't he ask about the pilot as soon as he landed? This makes me think he already knows who the survivors are. Which makes me think he is Ben's man.

One thing that bothers me about Frank is that he has this big guilt thing going because he was suppose to be piloting 815. Yet he lands on this island with all these 815 survivors and he doesn't ask about the pilot? Wouldn't he ask about the pilot as soon as he landed? This makes me think he already knows who the survivors are. Which makes me think he is Ben's man.

I never thought about that, Lobby! I really lilke that theory although he's much more helpful that I would think Ben's man would be. I realize that the "man" would have to have finesse but it looks like Frank truly wants to help the Losties. But you make a very valid point about the fact that Frank hasn't asked about the cockpit or anything. We'll have to hide and watch and see what he does...

I think it is MIchael.

+1!!!!

Makes sense- a nice tidy way to tie up what happened to Michael and Walt, plus the Freighties would be VERY interested in what Michael had to say / where he came from, plus Ben could manipulate Michael under the auspices of helping him and Walt get home....

In the scene where the helicopter lands there's a guy with a red shirt running around. He seems to try to keep himself out of view.

It could possibly be Michael.

Either that or we're gonna see Michael and Walt turn up on their own boat whilst Des and Sayid are there and everyone'll be really confused.

I'm convinced Ben's "man" is Walt.
On the other hand, Walt was in the Others' hands for a long time. We don't know what his loyalties are now, or what he might have been asked to do, or what kind of promise or threat might have persuaded him to cooperate. And, we suspect that he can "project" himself to other places (and maybe even physically interact with objects at a distance).
By the same token, I think Walt probably opened the door. He likely also destroyed the radio equipment, because Ben likely did not want any further communication between the freighties and the outside world (Widmore) once they made contact with the island.

Nice! I've been down with Walt being the spy on the boat. Like you said, he had Walt for a while and he did say he got more than he bargained for with him. Why be so eager to release Walt? Ben sent Juliet with Kate with a plan. He sent Mike back to the Losties camp with a plan...and he seems to have a plan for Sayid off Island...Contract killings of all things!

Picture this...
Mikael pics up the freighter's position. Ben knows Mike wants off the Island with Walt. He had him long enough to show Walt what he can really do. In exchange for his release and his father, he will have to accomplish something for Ben...Get on the boat, scan the mind of the freighties report to Ben. Wait for Jack to give the Island's coordinates and then destroy their off boat communication system. Make sure whoever gets on the boat has a chance to escape. Get Locke to do things on the Island in case they reach it.

Now, I have a nosebleed....
Eric

Sorry guys ..I cant see it being either Michael of Walt...Michael would not spy for Ben.

I am right now going to say it is someone on the boat we havent met. I dont think it is Frank as he is just a guilty old pilot seemingly trying to do the right thing. I dont think it is any of the characters we have met yet as they seem to have their own things going on.

Could be Charlie..... who didn't die, but somehow floated out through the blown porthole and was revived by the medical crew on the freighter? (Wishful thinking)

wishful but very awesome thinking.....

Who do you think the friend on the boat is?

I voted for someone we have not yet met. I know Michael is supposed to show back up, and I am interested to see how long he has 'really' been gone, and what he has been up to. It would probably be preferable to have him be the guy on the boat, since we already have a mess of new characters to deal with... However, I like the feeling that it is another mysterious person.

I tend to think it is Michael and the writers want us to think it was Frank.

Vincent

;)

Vincent

;)

That's it!!!

Definitely Michael. I hope we see him in the next episode!

I think it's Michael. Ben has the ability to reclute Losties that hates his guts

We don't know that Ben even has some one on the boat. As for a friend on the boat that friend wouldn't be both the LOSTIES friend and Ben's man also, as that would be counterproductive. I think the friend on the boat might be like Frank, working for Widmore but sympathetic to the plight of the losties.

Vincent

;)

:biggrin:That is funny.

I think it's Michael too, but they want us to think it's Frank. Michael could be Ben's man on the boat and still help Des and Sayid. Ben might be blackmailing Michael to help him and Michael could still feel some connection to his fellow survivors. Whatever it is, I can't wait to find out!

Alpert

I'm thinking that Ben's man on the boat is Minkowski. That would explain why Ben had all the details of the 4 people, yet was totally taken by surprise when he heard that Naomi had landed... he didn't know WHEN they would come but knew they would. Past-Minkowski was working for Ben years ago, and relayed the information to him then. He's shown us in the past that he apparently has photographic memory.

I think the friend is Vincent.

They have been training him to fetch stuff all the time on the island, now he's learned how to open doors and tearing down stuff - ready for stealth action.

I was watching season 2 today and noticed that Kelvin Inman knows BOTH Sayid AND Desmond. Is it possible that HE is the "friend" on the boat?

LOST has a way of connecting people and surprising us.

Many think Michael but did he ever meet Desmond?

Thoughts??

The problem is that the guy is dead...lol

He was left for dead...

According to Desmond, he killed Kelvin. :undecide:

He said something about having to bury him in 108 minutes

Do you remember which episode he said that in? I'm not doubting, I'm just curious to re-watch it. I just saw when he had to run back cause the time was running out...

Edit: Thanks ^^^ I was typing when you posted. Thank you.

Erm, no. It was KELVIN who said that he only had 108 minutes to bury RADZINSKY.

Desmond never buried Kelvin.
This is often confused with the reference Kelvin makes to having to bury his hatchmate (Radzinski?) after the guy shot himself in the head. Remember him pointing out the spot on the ceiling to Desmond? In the same scene he tells Desmond he had to bury him and get back to the hatch in less than 108 minutes.

Many of us have wondered for a long time about Kelvin's body. Where did it go? He was last seen at the spot where Desmond's yacht was anchored. Yet, when Desmond fled the hatch and went back to his boat, Kelvin's body wasn't there. It had only been three weeks or so since Kelvin had "died".

Our best guess is that he was eaten by wild animals. But who knows with this show.:eek2:

His head was busted open. But then again, Patchy died about 3 different times...so you never know.

It had only been three weeks or so since Kelvin had "died".

Actually, about 44 days.

Sure, he's dead, but when has being dead ever stopped someone from doing something on this show? OTOH, we don't really know for sure that he's dead. It's possible he was just knocked unconscious, and the others came and took him. (If they hadn't, he presumably would have taken the boat after he regained consciousness.) Doesn't seem likely though.

Did Kelvin die before or after Flight 815 landed on the island???

And if it landed after 815, how did he get to the freighter without being noticed by ANYONE???....presuming he isn't really dead....

Did Kelvin die before or after Flight 815 landed on the island???

And if it landed after 815, how did he get to the freighter without being noticed by ANYONE???....presuming he isn't really dead....

Same can be said of Michael. Kelvin had on the Dharma jumpsuit right? Maybe the freighter came when Locke blew up Patchies Palace. Kelvin was out at sea and was picked up. They noticed the suit and he could answer the "snow man" question...

I don't know. Just a slow day at work. I think the producers left the "death' uncertain in case if they needed it down the road.

I think it's Michael. I also think we had a very fleeting glimpse of him in "The Constant."

When Sayid is on the deck of the freighter, the camera deliberately pans to someone in the window on the deck above, looking at Sayid through binoculars. This screencap is available on Darkufo's site in the Screencaps section. Scroll down 2/3 or so the way down, bottom left cap.

Just look at the man in the window, and though he's not 100% identifiable, I think resembles Michael enough to be Michael. Something about the set of the jawline. This man is not looking out over the ocean -- he is looking down towards Sayid.

I think Michael is living under a new name, and landed himself a spot on the freighter. When? Who knows? But Ben told Michael that taking bearing 325 would put him in the shipping lanes, which can be assumed would give him a better chance of being rescued. It could even have been a deliberate intercept. Just because the freighter is at 305 now, it doesn't mean it was there a month ago.

I think it's Michael. I also think we had a very fleeting glimpse of him in "The Constant."

When Sayid is on the deck of the freighter, the camera deliberately pans to someone in the window on the deck above, looking at Sayid through binoculars. This screencap is available on Darkufo's site in the Screencaps section. Scroll down 2/3 or so the way down, bottom left cap.

Just look at the man in the window, and though he's not 100% identifiable, I think resembles Michael enough to be Michael. Something about the set of the jawline. This man is not looking out over the ocean -- he is looking down towards Sayid.

I think Michael is living under a new name, and landed himself a spot on the freighter. When? Who knows? But Ben told Michael that taking bearing 325 would put him in the shipping lanes, which can be assumed would give him a better chance of being rescued. It could even have been a deliberate intercept. Just because the freighter is at 305 now, it doesn't mean it was there a month ago.

The jawline is definitely reminiscent of Michael! Now, the question is - IS it Michael?
Good catch, kittenkong!

I like a screenshot.

It's kind of getting to me how many people think its Michael, when theres really such little evidence in the show pointing towards it being him. Anyways, I think it'd be clever if the "man on the boat" was actually a woman.We've heard that exact phrase a few times now so it sort of sticks out. It seems right up the writers alley.Nadia?

She's overdue for a meeting with Sayid, and Sayid is overdue for some heart-thinking instead of gun-thinking. Maybe these'll be happening sooner rather than later...

I think Michael is Ben's "man on the boat" but I think Walt was "the friend" who unlocked the door using his "special powers".
100%
Nadia?

She's overdue for a meeting with Sayid, and Sayid is overdue for some heart-thinking instead of gun-thinking. Maybe these'll be happening sooner rather than later...

Cute Avatar!!!

Do you think it's possible that the "heart thinking" incident that Ben was referring to was Sayid giving up his gun for the phone so Sayid could call Penny? I have a feeling Sayid and Des are going to have a fight on their hands on the freighter given the two thugs we've met.

I don't think Frank opened the door. I believe Keamy said the captain wanted to see him and he escorted him to the captain shortly before the door was open. It's highly likely that Ben's man on the boat opened the door for them. I'm leaning towards Michael or Walt, with Regina being an outside shot.

Today, Aussiello on TV Guide website said to stop think "Who" and start asking "How". Me thinks this reveal will be a WTF moment!

Today, Aussiello on TV Guide website said to stop think "Who" and start asking "How". Me thinks this reveal will be a WTF moment!


Maybe Des of the future?
That would fall into the how catagory.
Must clear my mind now because that just opened up new trails to follow.

Today, Aussiello on TV Guide website said to stop think "Who" and start asking "How". Me thinks this reveal will be a WTF moment!

Great--more mind-splitting, brain blowing information. I love it, I just need to prepare my head-lol.:eek2:

I've thought since the beginning that the "man on the boat" was Naomi. I still think that it is...

I don't think she's dead. I think she skipped happily through time and is currently laying on the chopper, alive but mentally somewhere else.

I'll throw another odd one out there... What if Ben's man on the boat, is Ben. Something about the "don't treat me like I'm one of them. I know who you are, I know what you can do" really is spinnin' in the back of my head.

I'm not sure if these ideas were already covered in the 11 page thread, I "time skipped" through most of them. :)

When did Michael and Walt leave the island? I think it's around Nov. 23, 2004. So, it's only been about 30 days, so it's possible. But, I'm not so sure it's Michael. He might be a prisoner on the ship, but I don't think he's Ben's guy inside.

Also, who's to say Ben didn't have more than one person on the ship. He says he has a man onboard their boat, but he doesn't say he has ONLY one man on the boat. Ben does twist the truth. He might have learned from infiltrating the two sides of the Oceanic crew that having more than one person on the inside could be more beneficial. Since both of his solitary infiltrators were killed by the groups at each end of the plane.

When did Michael and Walt leave the island? I think it's around Nov. 23, 2004. So, it's only been about 30 days, so it's possible. But, I'm not so sure it's Michael. He might be a prisoner on the ship, but I don't think he's Ben's guy inside.

Also, who's to say Ben didn't have more than one person on the ship. He says he has a man onboard their boat, but he doesn't say he has ONLY one man on the boat. Ben does twist the truth. He might have learned from infiltrating the two sides of the Oceanic crew that having more than one person on the inside could be more beneficial. Since both of his solitary infiltrators were killed by the groups at each end of the plane.
I'm still thinking Michael is his spy on the boat but Walt is the "friend" who opens the door. That fits with what Aussiello says about its not so much WHO but HOW. I think Walt uses his "special" powers.

having it be Michael leads to a whole bunch of questions on why he would halp either side in this war, he just wanted to go home with Walt. I'm more inclined to believe its Walt after reading the thread here.

I think it's Miles. What better way to get info to your contact on the island than have a pic of him and be obsessive about finding him? The Others com equipment is out so they haven't communicated with him in quite some time, he had to find Ben right away and he is the only one flashing his pic around in people's faces. Then, once he gets to talk to Ben, the conversataion makes no sense. 3.2 million? Obviously some kind of code.

Also, Miles acts in that crazy obsessed way of The Others.