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dufusbot
03-07-2008, 03:12 PM
Well here I am a long time occasional lurker finally getting in on the board here ...
While this episode was lame on a number of levels (perhaps intentionally cheezy in an Austin Powers kind of way with the Tempest?), it did at least add two important pieces to the puzzle, to wit:
(1) We see hat Ben is aware of the Widmore end of things and until at least relatively recently has a "man" on the outside taking surveillance as the video was shot well after the Sox game (although it is of course possible that this videotaped incident was staged). Ben says he doesn't know how Widmore KNOWS about the island though in the first place, which is interesting. Does this mean he doesn't know about Desmond then as well? Interesting, as I tend to assume the creep knows everything that takesp lace on the island.
(2) Ben has the power to create group hallucinations, 3-D Virtual Reality style ones. The Harper character is so obviously either Ben himself or some direct creation of his mind, given her ability to appear/disappear like that, have such a "direct" line of communication with Ben, her general aura and use of diction closely analogous to Ben's (Ben is "exactly where he wants to be"), and her whole role as a therapist ... I mean what better way to know what's on the minds of everyone else in Otherton than to have them all unload their thoughts to a "therapist." Of course, the trouble is making sense of Goodwin in all this, as presumably he'd know if he was "married" to a VR woman. Then again they don't seem all too close a couple, and we don't ever see the two even so much as looking at each other do we? (I could be wrong)
This latter point should make us reassess the "appearance" of other people such as Yemi, Boone, Walt, etc. perhaps, but that is assuming no one else/other force has a similar ability to induce VR group-style hallucinations.
All of this reinforces (along with points I have yet to post about last few episodes) that we're dealing with an Existenz/Matrix type situation in LOST. Anyone here ever seen Existenz?
Oh, and Ben Harper? Why not Ben Stanhope, or better yet, BS for short :)
DB

dmccarthy
03-07-2008, 03:36 PM
Well here I am a long time occasional lurker finally getting in on the board here ...

(2) Ben has the power to create group hallucinations, 3-D Virtual Reality style ones. The Harper character is so obviously either Ben himself or some direct creation of his mind, given her ability to appear/disappear like that, have such a "direct" line of communication with Ben, her general aura and use of diction closely analogous to Ben's (Ben is "exactly where he wants to be"), and her whole role as a therapist ... I mean what better way to know what's on the minds of everyone else in Otherton than to have them all unload their thoughts to a "therapist." Of course, the trouble is making sense of Goodwin in all this, as presumably he'd know if he was "married" to a VR woman. Then again they don't seem all too close a couple, and we don't ever see the two even so much as looking at each other do we? (I could be wrong)

Quite an interesting take on Harper, I hadn't thought about it that way. (Another reason why I read this board). Maybe Goodwin was married to her and Ben killed her to 'become' her. (Goodwin: "I've been sleeping on the couch for [years?]".) And a lot more fits after I think about it... Harper warning Juliet to stay away from Goodwin or Ben'll (I'll) kill him.)
To me this Seems like a little bit of a stretch but I do agree with Juilet-Harper's meeting in the forest as being a manifestation or projection of Ben and ties in with the smokemonster and Jacob somehow.

The fact that Jack saw Harper is an interesting topic in this Ben-manifestation-smokey theory (or whatever you want to call it). Did anyone else get the same feeling as they did when seeing Hurley interact with Charlie at the mental hospital in the flash fwd? Charlie was also seen by someone else, Charlie also quickly vanished, and it would explain his "I'm dead but also here" comment. If this were the case you could say that Charlie tried to 'manipulate' Hurley in to coming back to the Island much like Harper manipulated Juliet into killing (or attempting to) Daniel and Charlotte.




((Ben Harper - LOL thats great and the Others are the "innocent criminals" :)))

DesmondMorris
03-07-2008, 10:50 PM
Harper Stanhope anagrams

Pharaoh Serpent
Pharaoh Repents
Pharaoh Present
Pharaohs Repent
Preheats Orphan
Preheat Orphans
Notepaper Harsh
Phosphate Reran
Hearths Propane
Hearth Propanes
Phaeton Sharper
An other Perhaps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryLqfNwSSFE

Your post made me think of Ben Harper, although nothing to do with Lost but I like Ben Harper :)
WICKED MAN
Written by: Ben Harper
every man is a common man
and every common man has his plan
but while the hungry man seek any food in sight
the greedy man seek only appetite
the wicked man shall fall

Flotsam
03-08-2008, 12:20 AM
Anyone here ever seen Existenz?



Interesting little movie, but not as good as "Naked Lunch", as Cronenberg films go.:cool: