Regina's jump into the ocean. She was going somewhere and not to her death. No one cared that she was jumping because they had seen it before. And her chains were weights to help her sink, not help her drown (they'd be too easy to throw off when panic set in).
The countown of the Swan's 108 minutes = underworld.
Dharma were digging underground and building bunkers for some reason.
Harper seemed to pop up from somewhere and disappear quickly.
The Looking Glass
The submarine
The city reflected in the water
The Dharma door could be an elevator
Walt was also "wet" in his image to Shannon
Desmond's mural with people falling into the water from the Black Rock and falling into the volcanoCan you think of anything else that points to something going on under the sea or below the island?

The food drops. A plane or an helicopter would have been heard by people. Parachute could have been there to fool people.

How do you explain Lapidus and the chopper, a chopper can't fly underwater, when Desmond and Sayid were being flown to the boat, there is a point where Lapidus dives, I could have sworn they were diving under the water, but he pulls up just before the surface.

How do you explain Lapidus and the chopper, a chopper can't fly underwater, when Desmond and Sayid were being flown to the boat, there is a point where Lapidus dives, I could have sworn they were diving under the water, but he pulls up just before the surface.

I think there is something under the island or under the water... so Lapidus' flight needn't have been underwater at all.

I really don't know what's going on... which is why I started this thread to initiate discussion! But there are so many clues pointing underground, I wanted to know if you have noticed and what you make of it... ;)

Seems like too much of an illogical jump if you ask me...

I think when they show the buildings in the water it's mainly to show the duality of the losties, their constant struggle between the island and their past.

I think there is something under the island or under the water... so Lapidus' flight needn't have been underwater at all.

I really don't know what's going on... which is why I started this thread to initiate discussion! But there are so many clues pointing underground, I wanted to know if you have noticed and what you make of it... ;)
I've been listening to the Old Time Radio, sci fi (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=90940) broadcast, if you check it out you'll see that the of the "Natives" of the Island have about 10 levels underground, I also really feel this is one of several things that TPTB have taken from, so yes I do think there is laboratories and other facilities under the Island.

It would be kinda cool to have underground secret passages and laboratories, way cool.

I thought of something else...In TLE, Rachel Blake's pseudonym was Persephone, which is another underworld reference.

Also, the Looking Glass station might be important if you were building something underwater.

What if the Dharma sharks are the security system for whatever is down under?

Perhaps The Temple is an entrance to the underground... maybe there are just tunnels under the jungle.

Other underground clues:

1. Smokey seems to come from underground and tried to pull Locke into a hole in the ground.

2. Nikki and Paulo were buried ALIVE underground, maybe meaning there are people living underground.

3. The whispers could come from underground.

4. The tubes from the ? station went underground.

5. Hints pointing towards "Moles".

6. During season 1, the others seemed to be able to move around very stealthily, maybe moving underground.

7. The song "Downtown" played during the season 3 opener.

8. The reference to the cobra - snakes tend to live underground.

9. The Russian doll could signify layers beneath the surface.

Don't know if it means anything, but I thought I would help you out.

Seems like too much of an illogical jump if you ask me...


how can you say anything on this show is too much of an illogical jump, smoke monster, polar bears in the jungle, "time travel", "miracle" healings, if anythin building underground is totally logical, have you ever been in an underground garage, not to sound like a ars, I'm just saying;)

Seems like too much of an illogical jump if you ask me...

I think when they show the buildings in the water it's mainly to show the duality of the losties, their constant struggle between the island and their past.

What buildings in the water are we talking about?

Swan and Pearl are underground.

What buildings in the water are we talking about?

The reflection of the cityscape in the water around the island in the promos/trailers for the show.

Swan and Pearl are underground.
the swan "was" underground;)

The reflection of the cityscape in the water around the island in the promos/trailers for the show.

I must have missed that. Got a screencap?

The Hydra was underwater (an aquarium).

Also remember Joanna, the first person to appear to drown on the show. She was an expert swimmer and scuba diver but went swimming and then just disappeared. The episode was called White Rabbit, while the underwater station that we first saw (the cable in the sand) back in season one is the Looking Glass. Joanna may have been the first white rabbit to go through the looking glass/rabbit hole. The symbol of the LG station is a white rabbit with a hole in its neck.

And of course there's Charlie appearing to drown in the underwater station.

i got a small feeling along these lines when they were scouring the ocean floor in the 2nd ep of this season

On the blast door map there are tiny little squiggly passageways that aren't identified. At first I thought they were part of the water table or something but they could be underground tunnels.

The map Sayid got from The Flame has Subterranean Passageways (or Passages) clearly marked - with "tunnels" snaking off from Otherville in many different directions.

re cityscape I must have missed that. Got a screencap?

I don't have a screencap, but you can see it here (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Trailers#Season_4_promo_.231) on the promo beginning the last video ...

Lots of good examples everyone thanks!! :gossip:

I keep hearing references to something about a Cobra. What is the deal with this? I can't find information from the beginning. Can someone point me in the right direction?

As for this theory....

I agree that there is more to this island than what is on the surface. This has to be why the others seem so "magical" in some episodes, but so regular in other episodes. They could accomplish this through the use of underground passages.

Regina had to have been going somewhere, rather than commiting suicide. There has just got to be more to that. That was my favorite scene of the episode.

I keep hearing references to something about a Cobra. What is the deal with this? I can't find information from the beginning. Can someone point me in the right direction?

The Cobra is a character from the fictional tv series Expose that Nikki acted in. The Cobra was the villian of the story. Read more here. (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Mr._LaShade)

I obviously agree that something is going on underground. The way the doc said "If you say so," after Sayid said "But we're not moving" makes me think of the mirror moon theory... the island itself is its own world (a mirror moon orbiting inside Earth) connected to the "real world" through wormholes along its elipsis.

Look at these photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mandrakewig) from TLE character Mandrake Wig... what do you think?

It would be kinda cool to have underground secret passages and laboratories, way cool.

I thought of something else...In TLE, Rachel Blake's pseudonym was Persephone, which is another underworld reference.

Also, the Looking Glass station might be important if you were building something underwater.

What if the Dharma sharks are the security system for whatever is down under?

Perhaps The Temple is an entrance to the underground... maybe there are just tunnels under the jungle.

I absolutely agree that there is something underground and have believed so since very early in the series when there were such references as Rose reporting the sounds she heard as sounding like a New York subway, rabbit holes, "smokey" trying to pull Locke into a hole, and references to the phrase "as above, so below", to add to the other great references that have already been listed in this thread.

I also believe that "The Temple" is the main (but not only) entrance to this underground world and that when Ben sent his people to the temple what he was really saying was for them to go underground to protect themselves from any gas that the freighters might sucessfully release in their attempt to take over control of the island for Widmore, without leaving any survivors who might report to the outside world what it is that is on or under this island.

There is something very old, and VERY valuable "living?" underground that Alvar Hanso discovered during WWII, that DHARMA investigated, that Ben wants to continue to control, and that Widmore now wants at any cost.

i have been considering this too, for quite a while. but im too lazy to finish typing a whole senta....

Hmm that is weird about the "cityscape" in the water reflection, but since it's only a promo I don't put much stock into it. The promo people don't know any more than we do about what's going on.

I do know what's underground though - the giant hamsters that power the island. :)

I'm pretty sure the promo is regarding the O6 getting off the island, while it is an interesting connection to the underground laboratories, it's nothing more than that. I'm willing to say without a doubt there is something underground, Laboratories and other research facilities, but at least tunnels.

Dave jumped into the water

Makes one wonder what might be going on in Davey Jones Locker

I was rereading some of the wihisper transcripts because they also give one the feeling that they are watching the Losties...not the dead, but the whispers that sound like the Others...
they mention things like... open it, did they see us?, he's moving toward the gate, lower the scope...

these seem like clues pointing to the idea that they have some way of moving around underground... perhaps there are more Others than we know about!!!

Also, on the blast door map was one of the Latin sayings:
Mus uni non fidit antro - A mouse does not rely on just one hole.
That always sounded like something of a maze to me, and most likely one that's underground.

Also, this is a little off the wall, but it was such a strange prop to use it's always stuck in my mind, and that was those garden gnomes that Hurley and Johnny put in Randy's front yard.
Gnomes, in European folklore, dwarfish, subterranean goblin or earth spirit who guards mines of precious treasures hidden in the earth. He is represented in medieval mythologies as a small, physically deformed (usually hunchbacked) creature resembling a dry, gnarled old man. Gob, the king of the gnome race, ruled with a magic sword and is said to have influenced the melancholic temperament of man.

Going underwater:

Everybody swimming

Hurley doing a bomba

Desmond throwing a rock into the water

many other points

But what do these points prove us? Answer: there is water around the island.

So the ship isn't moving. Is it just because of engine failure or choice? Is it anchored in one way or another?
Cin holding on to gnomes maybe you subconsciously want a Travelosity vacation:biggrin:

Going underwater:

Everybody swimming

Hurley doing a bomba

Desmond throwing a rock into the water

many other points

But what do these points prove us? Answer: there is water around the island.

Well, you provided evidence that answers your own question...lol

Dharma sharks are in the water too... and I think TPTB said something about the sharks being one of the island's security systems... sharks mostly swim underwater... is the Looking Glass the only thing they are protecting that's underwater? Or is there something else down there?

I just found this thread, and I think it might be worth revisiting even though right now our left on the island group is skipping around through time. The Orchid was hidden underground. Maybe there is more going on there.

A long, long time ago I made this thread that promptly died: Michael as Orpheus? (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=47978) A lot of it isn't relevant now, but basically I was pointing on some of the imagery/themes that seemed to point to the Others as the underworld and how the kidnapping of Walt and Michael's rescue of him paralleled the Orpheus tale. I also noticed while writing it up that a number of our other main characters have Orpheus-like qualities.

Quoting myself on the other thread:
Now, suppose we associate the Others with Hades/the mythological underworld. This makes a lot of sense. A few pieces of evidence to set this up:
a) hatches that are whole communities under ground;
b) kidnappings where characters are dragged back to the Others/Underworld;
c) a "Him"--in Greek mythology, the god Hades; in LOST, ?;
d) the repeated "ghosts" and "spirits" (ie Walt's appearance to Shannon). I'm not saying they are really dead or not, but there does seem to be an association there.While writing this up, I realized that there could be some strong arguments that other characters (not only Locke and Eko, but also Charlie and Jack) could be seen as strong candidates for Orpheus for other reasons--association with music and mysticism for the first three, the name "Shepherd" in the last case as a Christ figure nod--Christ forms a similar feat when he travels down into Hell to rescue and release souls.

Edit to add: Also, in the Persephone myth, there is a lot of focus on food and drink. If Persephone eats or drinks anything in the underworld, she belongs to Hades, at least for half of the year. Eventually she succumbs and eats a pomegranate seed. There is a recurring theme in LOST of eating and drinking things, and they really focus on it for some reason.

Then there's the matter of what happened to Jin. Did he really die in the explosion? If there was any straight-forward way for him to survive, it would probably involve him diving into the water. Did he perhaps see something down there?

The elevator in the orchid when down, down, down,

Well, now with Miles, he's brought up that the dead are in the dirt literally underground. As well as Jughead and the FDW.

What else is "down" there? I can only imagine that since everything hieroglyphic has been underground ... including the Swan glyphs spelling out underworld... that the Temple is probbably underground as well.

Ms. Hawking's computer room... underground.

White Rabbit episode....at the beginning. The bully said to Jack:

You should've stayed down, Jack. Could mean somethin'......could mean nothin'......... :shrug:

There's all the Alice's Adventures in Wonderland imagery. To get to Wonderland, Alice either goes through the looking glass or down the rabbit hole.

Australia OZ is down under

Jin worked at the Seol Gateway hotel.

Underneath Ben's house he dissappeared into a hidden passageway to release Cerebus, guardian of the underworld (aka the smoke monster.)