I was just wondering, as I can't remember, if at any point we've been given descriptions of the appearances of Adam & Eve? I.e Caucasian, Asian, etc Only because I suddenly thought how poignant it might be if A & E are actually Aaron & Ji Yeon?

Only thing I remember is that Jack said one was male and the other female. But I guess in order for that happen, Aaron and Ji Yeon would have to grow up and come bcak to the island. Then there would have to be a time theory drawn in somewhere in order for it to make sense that the two babies that aren't ever born or concieved yet are the two skeletons in the cave when Jack found them in season one.

Well, if they hadn't thought of it yet I'm sure they will steal your idea, its just too good. Aaron and Ji go to the island of their parents, purposefully trying to enter at a trajectory that would set them at a time they could save everyone on the island in the past, but accidentally miscalculate and end up in the far distant past. Perfect.

Yeah, I guess its just cos I was reading this recent Darlton interview where they mention that Adam & Eve "require a story telling element that isn't traditional narrative" - and then when the Kwon kid is revealed to be a daughter, plus supposedly the whole Aaron narrative being at the heart of the island story - just feel that dramatically it'd feel so strong if that's how it works out - I'd weep buckets! Probably too depressing tho.
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Well, if they hadn't thought of it yet I'm sure they will steal your idea, its just too good. Aaron and Ji go to the island of their parents, purposefully trying to enter at a trajectory that would set them at a time they could save everyone on the island in the past, but accidentally miscalculate and end up in the far distant past. Perfect.
Yup, exactly. I'm sure they've introduced time-travelling as a story-telling device for bigger reasons than we're currently aware of, and the idea you've just outlined seems soooo plausible now. Making me feel weepy just thinking about it!

I was just wondering, as I can't remember, if at any point we've been given descriptions of the appearances of Adam & Eve? I.e Caucasian, Asian, etc Only because I suddenly thought how poignant it might be if A & E are actually Aaron & Ji Yeon?

Thats just a LOST-TASTIC idea right there. Great thinking.

Aaron and Ji Yeon
Twin Saviors?
One conceived off and born on
One conceived on and born off
Adam and Eve
Return

This makes no sense and is a ridiculous idea.

Ya, that IS a great idea. My only problem with it is, it wouldn't move anything forward. It would be cool as an idea and tragic in the telling of it. My whole thing at this point in the show is, anything that doesn't move the show forward in understanding the whole point of why this island is so chased and what is the island really? Also, what do the others really want there? What's their end-game? Anything other then what gets us to those questions being answered are kind of slowing the ball down.

This makes no sense and is a ridiculous idea.

WOW, thanks for your insights.
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WOW, thanks for your insights.
Remember... life is good.
Cheer up pal.
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Interesting theory, but I'm not thinking that way. Those 2 bodies that Jack finds in the cave were Alvar Hanso and his wife, correct? :D

It seems obvious to me that Sun was continuing the O6 cover-up. If she calls dispatch and says "I'm going into labor," but she isn't supposed to be due yet, then whoever they are trying to keep the secret from could possibly reason it out that she became pregnant on the island. Sun and the other O6 are becoming masters of deception, spilling the beans to a dispatcher *would* have been out of character.

Sun knew when she would give birth, probably from Juliet. How do I know? She was packing her bags to go to the hospital. Why was her doctor out of town? Because Sun deceived him about her due date, so he had no reason to be in town.

It seems obvious to me that Sun was continuing the O6 cover-up. If she calls dispatch and says "I'm going into labor," but she isn't supposed to be due yet, then whoever they are trying to keep the secret from could possibly reason it out that she became pregnant on the island. Sun and the other O6 are becoming masters of deception, spilling the beans to a dispatcher *would* have been out of character.

Sun knew when she would give birth, probably from Juliet. How do I know? She was packing her bags to go to the hospital. Why was her doctor out of town? Because Sun deceived him about her due date, so he had no reason to be in town.


Why wouldnt she be due yet? (your the 2nd one I saw say this) If Jin supposadly died the day of the crash the world would assumed she was already pregnant when they crashed. So she would appear to be very late at birthing the baby.

Oh ya and I like the possibility that Ji Yeon and Aaron could be Adam and Eve. It sure beats my Jewelry lady and Monk theory.


~Puzzled

Ya, that IS a great idea. My only problem with it is, it wouldn't move anything forward. It would be cool as an idea and tragic in the telling of it. My whole thing at this point in the show is, anything that doesn't move the show forward in understanding the whole point of why this island is so chased and what is the island really? Also, what do the others really want there? What's their end-game? Anything other then what gets us to those questions being answered are kind of slowing the ball down.

Well, can't remember how long ago, but it was discussed on one of the podcasts that the ending that is planned is not necessarily going to give closure and was kind of tragic. But who knows if C & D were serious...;)

Why wouldnt she be due yet? (your the 2nd one I saw say this) If Jin supposadly died the day of the crash the world would assumed she was already pregnant when they crashed. So she would appear to be very late at birthing the baby.

-Puzzled

You beat me to the post! I've seen this mentioned a few times as well, and I'm no math wiz, but that doesn't work out in my mind. The only way I can see that the baby would be early would be if they are assuming the baby belongs to someone other than Jin.

I have no theory on who Adam and Eve are just yet. One theory sounds as good as the next to me, anything's possible. What I do like about this idea though, is that they are so opposite. Girl/Boy, Dark hair/light hair etc. goes so well with the black and white rocks that were found with the bodies.

I'm wondering if the time travel element will actually take things to that extreme. So far (and I stress the so far) we've only seen consiousness time travel, and we see the uproar that caused. I'm not looking forward to seeing 840 posts about how angry everyone is over the paradox of babies born in 2004/05 dieing in the 1950's. :eek2:

It wouldn't bother me too much if they did it well, and with this show I do not hastily rule anything out as a possibility.

Sounds like one of the best series finales of all time. A classic the minute it airs.... and I hope it does! PERFECT

What I remember TPTB saying is that who Adam and Eve are speaks to the nature of the timeline on the island...."Lost time." Or how the perception of time on the island might not match real time off the island.

The skeleton's appear older than they are. They are wearing Pearl station Dharma clothes. So they are not as old as Jack surmised (40-50yrs)...although he could have been completely wrong about how old they are. Interestingly enough there are skeletons in the polar bear cave who are also wearing Dharma Pearl Station clothes.

I think the skeletons are Karen and Gerald De Groot who started the whole Dharma Initiative in the first place....and the reason they are not buried is important. Unburied bodies are the only ones that have been projected as ghosts...Christian, Charlie, and Yemi, for example.

The only thing I remember about Adam and Eve is Kate saying something like they appeared to be in love, or loved each other... and since the dominant 'love' story that they are taking 7 seasons to tell is Jack and Kate, it only makes sense that somehow it will end up being Jack and Kate. Maybe they choose to come back to the island at the very end, come back purposely earlier, and give themselves some specific clue (that we'll find out later) in the way they died or something, to help with the final ending..... but what do I know?

I was just wondering, as I can't remember, if at any point we've been given descriptions of the appearances of Adam & Eve? I.e Caucasian, Asian, etc Only because I suddenly thought how poignant it might be if A & E are actually Aaron & Ji Yeon?

I'm not sure that this is my ultimate "vote" on the identity of Adam and Eve but it's an interesting thought. You know, like animals who are compelled to return to the place of their own birth (etc.) for spawning, egg laying, etc., perhaps it could be that these two children felt compelled by/drawn to the island to complete their own lives' journey...

Interesting to think about anyway.

Aaron and Ji Yeon
Twin Saviors?
One conceived off and born on
One conceived on and born off
Adam and Eve
Return

Well, no anagram help this time. Running "aaron ji yeon" thru the karmamanager, the closest thing to a cogent response is:

No Joy In Area

Unless you can find deeper meaning in such phrases as:

I Enjoy An Oar
Yea, No Ion Jar
Neon Joy Aria
Ye Onion Raja
Inane Oar Joy
Rain Joy Aeon

I know I can't.

- mnw

Well, no anagram help this time. Running "aaron ji yeon" thru the karmamanager, the closest thing to a cogent response is:


I got KarmaSutra :biggrin:

The skeleton's appear older than they are. They are wearing Pearl station Dharma clothes. So they are not as old as Jack surmised (40-50yrs)...although he could have been completely wrong about how old they are. Interestingly enough there are skeletons in the polar bear cave who are also wearing Dharma Pearl Station clothes.

They're not wearing Dharma clothes. The one we see up close, it looks to me like it's some sort of vest without sleeves.

LOL, I said the same thing to my hubby and he lauged at me. Then again, I also said maybe Aaron and Ji Yeon are destined to hook up one day and create a race of superhumans with island powers. :p Kidding! (mostly)

Don't feed the trolls!

ah that was too funny. i spit coffee out.. luckily i missed my laptop.

I could see in some weird time theory Aaron and Ji-Yeon understanding at an older age that their parents lived and died on a mysterious island with strange powers. If they do figure out about the time differences in leaving and returning to the island, theoretically they could wish to travel back in time to save their family and the losties.

But in doing so wouldn't it bend the space-time continuum? Like the Orchid video, the rabbit can't see itself. I would assume it's mind couldn't handle it, much like the sickness Minkowski died with.

Then again that wouldn't ever happen, Aaron going back to the island and seeing himself as an infant, because he wasn't even born when(theoretically) future Aaron comes to the island with Ji-Yeon(based on the timeline above..assuming the two come to the island long before 815 crashes).

Still it would definately be interesting to find out the identities of Adam and Eve, but my money is still on Jack and Kate coming back to the island and jumping back too far perhaps.

Jack did comment on the clothes that Adam and Eve were wearing. He said that it would take a long time for the high-grade polyester to break down. Polyester was big in the 60s and 70s and has since dropped out of favor because it traps heat next to the skin and causes sweating and odor problems. I can't see fashion really allowing for a comeback of this material when ther are so many other options.

If you were going to a place that you knew was hot and humid, polyester would not be in the the things you pack.

While I like this idea of Aaron and Ji Yeon being A&E, the material of the clothes is too dated for me to buy it.

Good observation Molly, I had forgotten about that one little detail. Yet maybe the writers will overlook it when the time comes to fully explain Adam and Eve and we'll see someone we know in their roles. I just think it wouldn't be as interesting to have two obscure characters from the Dharma era being A&E..after all the buildup us fans have over it all. It'd be disappointing actually.

edit**I guess though if it turns out to be relevant to the overall story and not just a red herring, I suppose it wouldn't matter who Adam and Eve really are, maybe in the end it matters what they do.

Like the Kate/Jack theory, I like the idea of it, but I doubt it will happen.

How about: Penny finally finds Desmond, they stay on the island and become "Adam and Eve?" THEY love each other.

I'd rather it be Des and Pen than Jack and Kate!!!

Does anyone know the name of the girl Ben is in love with at Dharma? Maybe "Eve" is her. Since Ben went all crazy for Juliet, it's possible he went just as crazy for his former love interest and killed her and her boyfriend.

I dont think the Adam/Even skulls are a big deal, they spent maybe 60 seconds on those skeltons and Lost moved on. I don't consider it one of the big mysteries. There are dozens of other questions I'd rather have answered.

I dont think the Adam/Even skulls are a big deal, they spent maybe 60 seconds on those skeltons and Lost moved on. I don't consider it one of the big mysteries. There are dozens of other questions I'd rather have answered.

I disagree.
TPTB have mentioned them more than once and in a fairly recent podcast or interview (I can't remember) they were brought up again and it seemd that we were going to go back to A&E sometime soon

I do think that they will play a decent role. Perhaps, it will not be earth-shattering, but i feel that A&E will help us understand the island better.

As to who A&E are...not sure. Based on my earlier point about the clothing being high-quality polyester (a fabric that has not been popular for some time) I am going to go for the DeGroots.

Interesting idea, but it's really doubtful... With a very limited number of episodes remaining, they have *a lot* of loose ends to tie up and story to tell with the current set of characters... Adding the stories of Aaron and Ji Yeon and developing their characters to the point where they become adults and decide to go back to the Island would really be cumbersome at this point, esp. when they have so many other characters to work with that still have plenty of story left to tell....

Also Yes, Darlton have said that Adam and Eve are significant to the overarching mythology of the show so to tie Aaron and Ji Yeon - both minor characters at this point - in with all that just doesn't make a lot of sense.

I thought for a really long time that Adam and Eve were going to end up being Des and Penny... I still think that's possible, but with all of future-Jack's talk of "We have to go back!", I think it's more likely that A&E are Jack and Kate.

Other than that, I think other strong possibliities are the DeGroots, or Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan.

A&E's attire tells us when they died, perhaps, but not necessarily when they lived. If someone came from the future or distant past to the island, there are plenty of logical reasons for them to end up wearing clothing that was available there at the time of their arrival.

- mnw

A&E's attire tells us when they died, perhaps, but not necessarily when they lived. If someone came from the future or distant past to the island, there are plenty of logical reasons for them to end up wearing clothing that was available there at the time of their arrival.

- mnw

*That* is an *excellent* point, and it would be cool as all get-out to see a Ben/DHARMA flashback where he starts talking to another "workman" in DHARMA rags, and that workman turns around and is revealed to be Jack!

Does anyone know the name of the girl Ben is in love with at Dharma?

Annie

Podcasts talking about Adam and Even don't change anything... in terms of what we're shown, as viewers, they spent 60 seconds on the two bodies in the cave, and that's the last we've heard of them.

I think the podcasts are geared toward the diehards of the show, to the easter eggs/surprises that the normal Joe Shmoe won't even remember.

However, I did re-watch Season 1 just to see the Adam and Eve segment, and I have to admit, I was blown away. I never remember this, but JACK PULLS OUT OF ONE OF THE BODIES A SMALL BAG CONTAINING A WHITE/BLACK STONE FROM BACKGAMMON.

Now I'm thinking that these two bodies may represent the ultimate good/evil forces, and Locke may be one of them.

Other than that, I think other strong possibliities are the DeGroots, or Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan.

I'd prefer it to be Danny Noonan, but that's just me. "Be the ball, Danny." :roflmao:

And now back to your thread . . .

House of the Rising Sun:
[Shot of skeleton.]
KATE: Who is he. How'd he get here?
JACK: I can't exactly perform an autopsy but there doesn't seem to be any major trauma to the bones. There's another one over here. Someone laid them to rest here.
KATE: Who?
JACK: I don't know.
KATE: Where would they come from?
JACK: Didn't you guys shoot a polar bear last week?
KATE: Yeah.
JACK: Where'd that come from?
KATE: Any idea how long they've been here?
JACK: Long. It takes 40 or 50 years for clothing to degrade like this.
[Jack finds a pouch in the clothing.]
KATE: What is it?
[Jack dumps a white stone and a black stone into his palm.]
LOCKE [approaching]: Hello? Anybody there? Everyone all right?
JACK [nodding]: A few stings aside.
[Jack puts the stones back into the pouch, but we can't see what he does with the pouch.]
CHARLIE: You two run away fantastically. Glad my diversion spared you. I was only stung several hundred times. Oh, and uh, someone left this [handing Kate her shirt].
KATE: It was, um, if was full of bees.
CHARLIE: I'd have thought C's, actually.
[Kate gives him a "you're an idiot" look.]
CHARLIE: Sorry.
[Jack sort of laughs. Then Charlie sees one of the skeletons. Jack is looking at the other one.]
CHARLIE: Bloody Hell! Are these the people who were here before us?
[Jack looks toward Locke. Locke comes closer.]
LOCKE: What are you talking about?
[Jack gives Charlie a "you idiot" look.]
CHARLIE: Uh, just, you know, the, the, there could have been people here before us, right?
[Locke looks toward Jack who looks away.]
LOCKE: Clearly. But, who were these men?
JACK: Actually, one of them is female.
LOCKE: Our very own Adam and Eve.

So when did polyester make it into the equation? Was that an assumption because they were wearing Dharma uniforms? If so, polyester came into use in the 50s and was used extensively for clothing in the 60s. It's use declined in the 70s when other fabrics became more fashionable, such as blends of cotton and acetate or nylon.

I'm hoping Adam and Eve are from the past and will shed more light on the DI.

As much as I love the Jake/Kate or Aaron/Ji Yeon ideas, I'm thinking that the most realistic possability is the Degroots(sp). Perhaps they die during DHARMA's first run in with Richard and the Others.