Just browsing the forums and noticed no subforums for those two great characters from Season 3. Not that there's anything to talk about.

An appearance by the buried alive Nikki in an epi featuring a grave whose occupant we knew to be alive after his marker says he died...?

I'd say that was something. :biggrin:

I could bore you to death with stuff about Paolo Uccello : he designed a stained glass window called 'Ressurection' for the octagonal roof of the Duomo and painted scenes of monastic life (Des?), Saint Anthony (Cooper's name and patron of lost things) and Noah as a drunk (could be any of a number of Losties, Freighter Folks or others) who makes a sacrifice.

...I would love if anyone has any other ideas about Paolos (or is it Paulos?), because this feller above is the only guy I have found worth following so far. Not that he disappoints - there's LOADS of lovely LOST interconnectivity stuff to wonder over with him.

YES lets just forget they ever were on the Island

I just assumed that they were used as a filler ~ bit strange though, never noticed them before the epi and completely forgot them afterwards.

I believe we did talk about them ad nauseam from various different angles and comments about them are buried (pun intended) within other threads. In fact, if you dug enough you could probably find a little more life in them. (The threads, not the characters. )

I thought their story was a nice break from the main characters and we did learn some interesting things about Ben and the Losties.

I believe their nickname was Nikolo or Pakki or Naolki or something like that. Hmmm. I guess if you can't make a good nickname for a couple then that tells you something about how long it's gonna last.

I thought their story was a nice break from the main characters and we did learn some interesting things about Ben and the Losties.


I can't hold my tongue any longer.

Nikki and Paulo were the two most useless characters on Lost, stole screentime in Expose (worst episode of Season 3), and they were out of place. I was never impressed with either of them and Expose ruined the flow between The Man From Tallahase and Left Behind(two excellent episodes.)

Why were they even conceived in the first place?! They belonged on some teen drama show, not Lost.

Nikki and Paulo had NO redeeming qualities.

I loved Expose and the way it cast a new light and gave us a new perspective on lots of other episodes and incidents.

I thought the wicked, scheming Nikki was interesting, particularly in her relationship with poor innocent Arzt. (Paolo, on the other hand, seemed a little slow.)

And their deaths gave me nightmares. My biggest scream in LOST history!

I don't want them back or anything, but if Nikki showed up among the ghosts roaming the island, I definitely wouldn't mind . . .

Biggest waste of air time in TV history, hands down.

Nikki and Paulo had NO redeeming qualities.

Well, they were interesting. No redeeming qualities? Hmmmmm. Maybe.

Paulo and Nikki who? ;)

Paulo and Nikki who? ;)

True, That.

Nikki and Paulo were the two most useless characters on Lost, stole screentime in Expose (worst episode of Season 3), and they were out of place. I was never impressed with either of them and Expose ruined the flow between The Man From Tallahase and Left Behind(two excellent episodes.)

Why were they even conceived in the first place?! They belonged on some teen drama show, not Lost.

Nikki and Paulo had NO redeeming qualities.

They were only useless because the LOST fanbase wouldn't shut up about how much they hate the characters (though, be honest, what did they ever do to cause hatred?), which caused them to be killed off instead of serving the purpose the writers had for them. I hated how people complained to the point that the writers couldn't do what they needed to. I fully blame the audience, not the writers. In Exposé, it seemed like the writers were giving the audience the finger, essentially saying, "Fine, we'll do it your way, instead of giving you the payoff we intended."

They were only useless because the LOST fanbase wouldn't shut up about how much they hate the characters (though, be honest, what did they ever do to cause hatred?), which caused them to be killed off instead of serving the purpose the writers had for them. I hated how people complained to the point that the writers couldn't do what they needed to. I fully blame the audience, not the writers. In Exposé, it seemed like the writers were giving the audience the finger, essentially saying, "Fine, we'll do it your way, instead of giving you the payoff we intended."


I don't think thats true, They had already written and filmed those episodes before the fans started complaining.

I loved Exposé, it's one of my favorite episodes of season 3. I don't see why everyone hated it so much. The characters weren't all that interesting, but IMO the feeling of that episode was just so cool, and the ending was one of my favorite scenes ever!

Damon and Carlton said that they originally had a lot more planned for Nikki and Paulo, but because people were complaining about them, and because they didn't have a lot of time for the other main characters, they killed them off instead of showing us their full story.

I'd like to forget that they had ever existed.



Damon and Carlton said that they originally had a lot more planned for Nikki and Paulo, but because people were complaining about them, and because they didn't have a lot of time for the other main characters, they killed them off instead of showing us their full story



The problem with Damon and Cuse is that they listen to the fans too much, instead of going ahead with their own plans for the characters and stories.

I'd like to forget that they had ever existed.





The problem with Damon and Cuse is that they listen to the fans too much, instead of going ahead with their own plans for the characters and stories.


You said it! I too would like to wipe those memories clean from my mind!

I wonder whether this is just a LOST phenomenon, or more general? I mean in terms of TPTB listening to fans and changing things accordingly. I heard the 2nd season of Heroes introduced 2 new characters, a brother and sister who had apparently been chosen by fans from a list of possible new characters on the Net (provided by the producers of that show, I heard). They introduced the pair as they'd gotten the most votes, but once the season began, apparently fans loathed those 2, and so they got killed off! It might be conjecture, but it certainly is interesting that fans might influence the writing of a show during its airing/ production.

But I'd have to say I prefer the old way better: more conviction in your creation, you know? People can love it or hate it, but at the end it's the artist's (in this case, the writers, producers et al) creation.

They better listen to the fans if they want to keep their shows on the air. I'm sure fans don't influence EVERYTHING, but they are the reason the shows get the air time they do and the advertising they do. If the show sucks, and they don't care what fans think, then the shows are history.

And in the instance of Nikki and Paulo, I'm sooooo glad they listened to their fans. (However, Paulo sure could flush a toilet very convinvingly!);) Good riddance to them both!

Just browsing the forums and noticed no subforums for those two great characters from Season 3. Not that there's anything to talk about.

LOL!!! Glad you started a "Seinfeld" thread for Nikki and Paolo. I guess there is something to talk about, according to Liplocked, and I have to agree.

An appearance by the buried alive Nikki in an epi featuring a grave whose occupant we knew to be alive after his marker says he died...?

I'd say that was something. :biggrin:

I could bore you to death with stuff about Paolo Uccello : he designed a stained glass window called 'Ressurection' for the octagonal roof of the Duomo and painted scenes of monastic life (Des?), Saint Anthony (Cooper's name and patron of lost things) and Noah as a drunk (could be any of a number of Losties, Freighter Folks or others) who makes a sacrifice.

...I would love if anyone has any other ideas about Paolos (or is it Paulos?), because this feller above is the only guy I have found worth following so far. Not that he disappoints - there's LOADS of lovely LOST interconnectivity stuff to wonder over with him.


How many times have TPTB stated that everything was done for a reason? As stated in other posts, TPTB had a longer arc for those characters, but shortened it as fans complained. Which means those character's actions and deaths are important, for they represent the actions and the deaths of previous Islanders.

The info Liplocked provided is quite interesting. Nikki and Paolo are cons and murderers. They are mixed with Cooper somehow, and ressurection...We know Nikki didnt plan on killing Paolo, she just wanted to incapacitate him until she hid the diamonds somewhere else. Nikki/Cooper...something about faking the death of someone, and it going wrong...I cant put my finger on it yet...

I agree they were introduced much too late in the series...But think about it. Try to go beyond the flat acting and the slow pace of the episodes they were in casted in. ;) TPTB said "Expose" was an important episode, like "Special" was to the overall story arcs.

I hated disliked their characters immensely. But I am JUST starting to understand the importance of their actions before their well deserved deaths...

Eric.

You said it! I too would like to wipe those memories clean from my mind!

I wonder whether this is just a LOST phenomenon, or more general? I mean in terms of TPTB listening to fans and changing things accordingly. I heard the 2nd season of Heroes introduced 2 new characters, a brother and sister who had apparently been chosen by fans from a list of possible new characters on the Net (provided by the producers of that show, I heard). They introduced the pair as they'd gotten the most votes, but once the season began, apparently fans loathed those 2, and so they got killed off! It might be conjecture, but it certainly is interesting that fans might influence the writing of a show during its airing/ production.

But I'd have to say I prefer the old way better: more conviction in your creation, you know? People can love it or hate it, but at the end it's the artist's (in this case, the writers, producers et al) creation.

Yeah they were terrible. I cheered and laughed when they got killed.

Also, really, it would have been cool if TPTB said in an interview something like "We know that the fans don't like Nikki and Paulo, but we've got some great stuff planned for them. It's too early to really judge these new characters" or something.

I think it's amazing that this season introduced so many new characters and all of them worked right away.

does anyone one think it is possible that there death being of a nature that they were not dead but just appear to be seem like a strong possiblity for locke now at the end of season four i mean if EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON that could be huge specialy if you think the writers could say these charecters that you all hated so much and than forgot about and ignored them turned out to be the key to a huge question mark in the sereis also what if they are adam and eve in future tense if you look at the fact they died together and they had jewels on them (stones in the case of adam and eve but similar)

I don't think thats true, They had already written and filmed those episodes before the fans started complaining.

Yes! The writers are fans of the show too and when they see the dailies they can tell if characters are working or not and make early changes before we ever see the episode. It was obvious the characters were introduced too abruptly (their intro scene was cut) and for whatever reasons they just stood out like sore thumbs. The writers just realized they didn't have as much time as they thought to develop the characters properly. Then when the shows aired it was obvious the fans didn't take to them either so they just cut their loses and killed them off as soon as their arc was finished. Plus the story started to get lean in season 3 when the endpoint was introduced. Nikki and Paulo were a neat idea that just did not go over for a number of reasons.

I always thought that Rose and Bernard represented the socks. Nikki and Paulo were redundant because we already had them (and they could act).

To beat a dead horse, compare Pikki's performance to that of another new character introduced that season -Juliet. There just is no comparison. -They just couldn't act. -They couldn't make people like them. When you can't do that on Lost you become monster chow. Smoky must have found them yummy if the fans did not.