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pacejunkie
05-01-2008, 11:14 PM
...and Jin called her out on it! That was a surprise. Jin could tell that Dan and Charlotte cared about one another and Jin threatened to hurt Dan unless Charlotte told him the truth and agreed to help get Sun off the island. Charlotte agreed. That's my girl. No one threatens Daniel, the sweetie.

Daniel offering to go first into the station was the cutest thing. Then Sun and Jin gossiped a bit about whether Charlotte realizes that Dan likes her. A little meta humour but I enjoyed it. Love those two.

So that was a little recap of my favourite part of the episode, but what's up with Charlotte speaking Korean? Is she connected to Paik? Working for him maybe?

LostLaura
05-01-2008, 11:16 PM
Interesting theory, PJ! I immediately assumed it had to do with her being an anthropologist who has clearly traveled all around the world doing (nefarious?) things. But Paik is a great guess.

I LOVED that moment with Jin. He's an amazing character.

Melikon
05-01-2008, 11:16 PM
rite part of the episode, but what's up with Charlotte speaking Korean? Is she connected to Paik? Working for him maybe?

My thoughts exactly pace. You beat me to the punch.
As i mentioned in my thread...her korean is better than the guy at the airport in season 1.

nancy
05-01-2008, 11:18 PM
That was great, wasn't it! I don't think Jin would actually hurt Daniel (although . . .), but he could tell from Charlotte's face that she certainly was understanding what he was saying. She's traveled all over the world. Maybe she was raised in a British area somewhere other than England.

Cardielost
05-01-2008, 11:21 PM
I'd say that there's a Paik connection and also that the O6 may not all find rescue the same way, although I do think they use the freighter to get out to sea.

Cardie

jennylee27
05-01-2008, 11:23 PM
I loved that little talk between Jin and Charlotte. A great scene. I definitely guessed she understood Korean when they were outside the medical station.

I hadn't thought of a Paik connection. If she has one, could she actively have been looking for Sun? If so, how could she play it so cool? If not, wouldn't she have realized the connection anyway?

MilwaukeeDanno
05-01-2008, 11:25 PM
I dunno. So she knows Korean- big whoop. TPTB don't have her actually doing anything with her supposed archaelogical skills which would be 100x more interesting.

You'd think she'd be finding things left and right to explore and analyze. How about an occasional "Hey, look at that 4 toed statue - that's from the ____ period of the Pacific Islander prehistory". Or "Golly, the digging skills and engineering to build and unearth the staff station are impressive".

Beyond that, it's kinda lame how they keep trying to force love triangles and whatnot. This isn't General Hospital. :rolleyes:

pacejunkie
05-01-2008, 11:25 PM
Well we know that both Paik and Widmore will be appearing in the finale and there was also some London scene shooting with Sun so I'd say those two are working together in some capacity.

I have to say my maternal instincts kicked in when Jin threatened to break Dan's fingers. Jin, stop being a thug, I was really liking you for a while. And it didn't seem like he cared too much about anyone else but Sun getting rescued but I suppose that's in character. He was like that from the beginning.

Dan and Charlotte to me are like a couple of onions and each time we see them another layer is peeled away. They fascinate me.

Melikon
05-01-2008, 11:30 PM
I have to say my maternal instincts kicked in when Jin threatened to break Dan's fingers. Jin, stop being a thug, I was really liking you for a while. And it didn't seem like he cared too much about anyone else but Sun getting rescued but I suppose that's in character. He was like that from the beginning.

That's sorta contradictory considering that Sun is like ~3 months pregnant. :undecide:

PapaThor
05-01-2008, 11:43 PM
I'd say that there's a Paik connection and also that the O6 may not all find rescue the same way, although I do think they use the freighter to get out to sea.

Cardie

I agree Cardie. There is a Paik connection in here.

Mr. Paik is a cunning businessman and is not as brash as Widmore but, is effective in his own way. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

pacejunkie
05-01-2008, 11:48 PM
That's sorta contradictory considering that Sun is like ~3 months pregnant. :undecide:

Ha ha. You mean the whole "maternal instinct" thing? I don't mean to say I don't care about Sun (I don't think I expressed any opinion about Sun), I was just referring to Jin threatening to hurt Dan who hasn't done anything to him.

archangel1772
05-01-2008, 11:49 PM
Yeah, I didn't like that smug little smile of hers at the end of the conversation. It seemed to say 'Ah, things are finally starting to work out!'. I think she may have been tasked with finding Sun and, if at all possible, returning her to Paik. I definitely don't trust her, and think each Freightie has multiple agendas.

Melikon
05-01-2008, 11:52 PM
The good thing anyways, now Jin's got someone else he can really talk to. More potential screen time for DDK...YAY!!!!!

rabidranger
05-01-2008, 11:52 PM
Well, Charlotte is a polyglot, as inferred by her introductory sequence in Tunisia, so it's a not a huge shock she speaks Korean. I would agree there would seem to be a Paik connection. Fascinating.

lockesmithe
05-01-2008, 11:53 PM
hehe..It was funny that Charlotte played dumb until Jin spoke "Sayid" to her. Funny that a Paik connection hadn't occurred to me during the episode--but that's a pretty interesting idea.

pacejunkie
05-01-2008, 11:58 PM
The good thing anyways, now Jin's got someone else he can really talk to. More potential screen time for DDK...YAY!!!!!

That's true, I hadn't thought of that. That's handy. Instead of Jin learning English, everyone else can speak Korean! ;)

Well, Charlotte is a polygot, as inferred by her introductory sequence in Tunisia, so it's a not a huge shock she speaks Korean. I would agree there would seem to be a Paik connection. Fascinating.

Yeah, but for an anthropologist, Korean seems like an odd choice. It's not exactly a widely used language. I could sooner see her speaking Mandarin or Arabic, but not necessarily Korean.

Melikon
05-02-2008, 12:03 AM
Yeah, but for an anthropologist, Korean seems like an odd choice. It's not exactly a widely used language. I could sooner see her speaking Mandarin or Arabic, but not necessarily Korean.

I agree. Korean also is a heck of a lot more easier to learn than Arabic or Mandarin.
Her knowledge of Korean seems to be a clear indication that Paik is somehow involved with her activities.

LostLaura
05-02-2008, 12:06 AM
Yeah, I didn't like that smug little smile of hers at the end of the conversation. It seemed to say 'Ah, things are finally starting to work out!'. I think she may have been tasked with finding Sun and, if at all possible, returning her to Paik. I definitely don't trust her, and think each Freightie has multiple agendas.

The smug smile creeped me out.

I agree. Korean also is a heck of a lot more easier to learn than Arabic or Mandarin.
Her knowledge of Korean seems to be a clear indication that Paik is somehow involved with her activities.

I don't think the Paik connection will actually be about returning Sun to him. I think it'll have to do with Paik's (hypothetical but likely) connection to Widmore and the Island, figuring out the secrets of it and how those secrets can be harnessed for their use....
or something nefarious like that. ;)

irhabi007
05-02-2008, 12:10 AM
Could have kinda guessed she spoke Korean.

When she went to the polar bear dig, the lady asked her:

"How many different languages do you have to read that in to believe it really happened?" - Something along those lines.

briar910
05-02-2008, 12:13 AM
Could have kinda guessed she spoke Korean.

When she went to the polar bear dig, the lady asked her:

"How many different languages do you have to read that in to believe it really happened?" - Something along those lines.

:doh: I feel dumb. I totally forgot about that scene because I was surprised that she spoke Korean. I was wondering why she kept looking at Jin and Sun. Duh.

But the scene with Charlotte and Jin was pretty sweet.

pacejunkie
05-02-2008, 12:16 AM
Could have kinda guessed she spoke Korean.

When she went to the polar bear dig, the lady asked her:

"How many different languages do you have to read that in to believe it really happened?" - Something along those lines.

Even knowing she spoke a lot of languages I wouldn't have guessed Korean. Very little surprises me on this show these days but that blew me away.

Cardielost
05-02-2008, 12:26 AM
I think it's also a clue that both she and Jin will end up alive on the island next season. (Spec, not spoiler).

Cardie

lostorfound
05-02-2008, 12:26 AM
Very cool scene. (the savior of the epi. IMO)

With so much else being forced, contrived and obvious, of course Charlotte speaking Korean would have a Paik tie in.

BTW pj it looks like you have taken Daniel under your wing. I wonder if he knows how protected he is now?

woland
05-02-2008, 12:34 AM
I liked this scene because they have rarely shown Jin the smart guy figuring something out, he's been the loving husband, the fighter, the soldier, but never the one to figure something out. This scene, showed once again as the morse code scene last week that Daniel and Charlotte are in over their heads.

lostmio
05-02-2008, 12:35 AM
Great scene, I agree. Jin rocked.
I actually don't even care, for now, if Charlotte's connected to Paik or not. The scene stands on its own, doesn't need a conspiracy angle.
My hunch is DDK was glad to have something he could sink his teeth into, he doesn't get many of those.

And going into this episode, I thought Charlotte was really really boring. She's getting interesting at last. Not because she speaks Korean, but because there's more to her than meets the eye.

But Charlotte and Daniel as a couple? Sorry, Sun, I'm not there yet....

Melikon
05-02-2008, 12:56 AM
Did the Charlotte/Jin scene remind anyone of the Sun/Kate scene back in season 1? Where, with a smile from Sun, Kate realized that Sun understood and could speak English?
Granted, Kate didn't threaten to break all of Sun's fingers. lol.

woland
05-02-2008, 01:00 AM
Great scene, I agree. Jin rocked.
I actually don't even care, for now, if Charlotte's connected to Paik or not. The scene stands on its own, doesn't need a conspiracy angle.
My hunch is DDK was glad to have something he could sink his teeth into, he doesn't get many of those.

And going into this episode, I thought Charlotte was really really boring. She's getting interesting at last. Not because she speaks Korean, but because there's more to her than meets the eye.

But Charlotte and Daniel as a couple? Sorry, Sun, I'm not there yet....
What is making Charlotte and Daniel interesting is that with the morse code scene last week and Jin's scene this week Daniel and Charlotte are beginning to realize they are in over their heads and that they have underestimated these people. Daniel snapping at Charlotte shows the stress is getting to them. With every episode it seems like Daniel and Charlotte are going to need the losties to rescue them rather than Daniel and Charlotte rescuing the losties.

lockesmithe
05-02-2008, 01:04 AM
With every episode it seems like Daniel and Charlotte are going to need the losties to rescue them rather than Daniel and Charlotte rescuing the losties.

hehe. Interesting possibility. It was cute seeing Daniel bravely volunteering to go into the med station first. It would have been better if Jin then stopped Daniel and volunteered to go into the unknown first.

woland
05-02-2008, 01:14 AM
hehe. Interesting possibility. It was cute seeing Daniel bravely volunteering to go into the med station first. It would have been better if Jin then stopped Daniel and volunteered to go into the unknown first.
Well, I'm just going on the fact that Keamy didn't seem to care if Miles lived. And Daniel and Charlotte, well Charlotte anyway is arrogant, stand offish, has belief she is superior, but I don' t think she could stand by and watch dozens of people die. But I think Charlotte's arrogance is a defense mechanism because she doesn't know how to deal with the situation she is in. And I'm glad they're giving Jin more to do outside of his relationship with Sun.

lostmio
05-02-2008, 01:16 AM
What is making Charlotte and Daniel interesting is that with the morse code scene last week and Jin's scene this week Daniel and Charlotte are beginning to realize they are in over their heads and that they have underestimated these people.

Oooohh, good point. You're dead on about why I enjoyed that sub-plot so much.

galaxygirl
05-02-2008, 01:35 AM
I totally called that she knew Korean when I watched the episode. I have no idea why I thought that.

Selene1212
05-02-2008, 02:58 AM
I wasn't really surprised, but it is interesting.

As far as Daniel crushing on Charlotte goes... I don't know, I get the feeling he's just a really nice / sweet guy but she annoys him to no end. :shrug: I could see her crushing on him though.

I also thought what Daniel said to her about going in first was a bit foolish since Charlottes fight with Juliet is still fresh in my mind and its obvious she can handle herself.

Pauly
05-02-2008, 03:36 AM
Daniel told Charlotte off this episode but before their scenes have been very gentle and sweet. I believe Daniel has a crush on her and that it is mutual. I don't get the extreme hate for Charlotte and extreme love for Daniel I'm more in the middle :)

parada82
05-02-2008, 07:22 AM
Paik - Widmore connection

Paik has his London office is same building as Widmore.

Paik construction company has built Dharmas instalation on the island.
I think i found this information in Lost Expirience game.

imfromthepast
05-02-2008, 07:28 AM
Charlotte's Korean has nothing to do with Paik.
She is a polyglot. Remember back before the season started, there was a spoiler that the Freighties had "powers"? Miles can talk to the dead, Daniel has some kind os sensitivity, and when Charlotte read the french newspaper and the lady with her asked how many languages did she have to read it in before she believed that they found 815, I assumed right then that she was a polyglot.
Last night confirmed it.

Burnt Sienna
05-02-2008, 08:04 AM
As far as Daniel crushing on Charlotte goes... I don't know, I get the feeling he's just a really nice / sweet guy but she annoys him to no end. :shrug: I could see her crushing on him though.
I'm under the impression that Daniel is gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
At the very least, Daniel's a bit affeminate. Making Desmond his constant, getting excited when Jack grappled with him...

pacejunkie
05-02-2008, 08:06 AM
BTW pj it looks like you have taken Daniel under your wing. I wonder if he knows how protected he is now?

LOL. He looks like he could use my protection, if not now, certainly by next year when people start complaining he's whiny and annoying. :) But I wouldn't be too quick to assume he's safe with me. You obviously haven't seen the things I've done to Charlie in my fics. :biggrin: (and you there, get your mind out of the gutter).

What is making Charlotte and Daniel interesting is that with the morse code scene last week and Jin's scene this week Daniel and Charlotte are beginning to realize they are in over their heads and that they have underestimated these people. Daniel snapping at Charlotte shows the stress is getting to them. With every episode it seems like Daniel and Charlotte are going to need the losties to rescue them rather than Daniel and Charlotte rescuing the losties.

Well said, and I think there's something to it. Remember when Doc Ray said of Daniel, "Faraday can't even help himself"? Charlotte will deflate a bit when she realizes she has to depend on these people for her survival. The character needs somewhere to go so she's starting from a place of being obnoxious. People forget that Sawyer and Jin started that way too. I have faith in her.

Well, I'm just going on the fact that Keamy didn't seem to care if Miles lived. And Daniel and Charlotte, well Charlotte anyway is arrogant, stand offish, has belief she is superior, but I don' t think she could stand by and watch dozens of people die. But I think Charlotte's arrogance is a defense mechanism because she doesn't know how to deal with the situation she is in. And I'm glad they're giving Jin more to do outside of his relationship with Sun.

It's absolutely a defense mechanism, those types of traits always are. See my comment above.

Charlotte's Korean has nothing to do with Paik.
She is a polyglot. Remember back before the season started, there was a spoiler that the Freighties had "powers"? Miles can talk to the dead, Daniel has some kind os sensitivity, and when Charlotte read the french newspaper and the lady with her asked how many languages did she have to read it in before she believed that they found 815, I assumed right then that she was a polyglot.
Last night confirmed it.

We discussed this up thread. You're free to disagree, but I don't think that just because it was established she knew several languages implies that there's nothing to the fact that one of them is Korean. I still think that is an uncommon language for an anthropologist (I would assume Arabic, Hebrew, French, German, etc.). They don't have her speak Korean for no reason at all, other than to provide Jin with a chat buddy after Sun leaves. That's nice and convenient but I still bet there's something more.

I'm under the impression that Daniel is gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that. At the very least, Daniel's a bit affeminate.

A guy's not your typical alpha male and he's gay? :confused:

Burnt Sienna
05-02-2008, 08:10 AM
I'm guessing Paik Industries finances her archaeological digs/research, hence, she speaks Korean and possibly accepts assignments from time to time.

pacejunkie
05-02-2008, 08:18 AM
I'm guessing Paik Industries finances her archaeological digs/research, hence, she speaks Korean and possibly accepts assignments from time to time.

Sure, I don't think Charlotte is up to anything particularly nasty, but Paik may be. Remember the towel guy he sent after Jin. The guy is scary and Jin would be freaked out to know someone working for Paik is now on the island with him. Remember all that talk about going to the states and wanting to start a new life?

Burnt Sienna
05-02-2008, 08:49 AM
A guy's not your typical alpha male and he's gay? :confused:

Daniel's way beyond being your typical alpha male. Even when he talks...his tone, his facial expressions and ticks (scrunching up his face, tilting his head to the side while slouching,...) Also, not even attempting to fight back when confronted. It all screams for interpretation. Then again, Tom took me by surprise, so what do I really know. lol.

Lost-I-Am
05-02-2008, 08:50 AM
i was more concerned with her cunning smile after her and JIn had that convo...

pacejunkie
05-02-2008, 08:50 AM
Daniel's way beyond being your typical alpha male. Even when he talks...his tone, his facial expressions and ticks (scrunching up his face, tilting his head to the side while slouching,...) Also, not even attempting to fight back when confronted. It all screams for interpretation. Then again, Tom took me by surprise, so what do I really know. lol.

So a gay person is weak, nonconfrontational and has poor social skills? I think you better stop digging that hole you're in right now.

Lost Lenny
05-02-2008, 09:04 AM
Could have kinda guessed she spoke Korean.

When she went to the polar bear dig, the lady asked her:

"How many different languages do you have to read that in to believe it really happened?" - Something along those lines.

Correct! And Char's reply was "how many different languages are there?"...implying that she knows multiple languages...Korean obviously being one of them.

pacejunkie
05-02-2008, 09:09 AM
Correct! And Char's reply was "how many different languages are there?"...implying that she knows multiple languages...Korean obviously being one of them.

No, actually that statement implied that what she was reading was so impossible to believe that in an endless amount of languages she would have a hard time believing it.

Lost Lenny
05-02-2008, 09:11 AM
I'm guessing Paik Industries finances her archaeological digs/research, hence, she speaks Korean and possibly accepts assignments from time to time.

Then please explain why the writers are obviously starting to throw hints that Dan is smitten with Charlotte???

The fact that Jin noticed that tells me that Dan is far from gay...
100%
No, actually that statement implied that what she was reading was so impossible to believe that in an endless amount of languages she would have a hard time believing it.

...and she was going to read it in as many languages as there are...meaning that she can read many different languages.
I agree that she was saying that as a figure of speech but also that she really can read multiple languages. I think that this episode confirms that.

rabidranger
05-02-2008, 09:20 AM
No, actually that statement implied that what she was reading was so impossible to believe that in an endless amount of languages she would have a hard time believing it.

I have to disagree. I think the inference was Charlotte was fluent in multiple languages, which she obviously is.

Burnt Sienna
05-02-2008, 09:25 AM
So a gay person is weak, nonconfrontational and has poor social skills? I think you better stop digging that hole you're in right now.
Yeah. IMO Daniel happens to be a gay person that is weak, nonconfrontational and has poor social skills. On the other hand, Tom happens to be a gay person that is strong, confrontational and is more of an extrovert. Don't put words in my mouth. :mad:
People are still entitled to their opinions right? Two terms of G.W. hasn't taken that away from us yet, right?
Sheesh.

mom2haylil
05-02-2008, 09:32 AM
...and Jin called her out on it! That was a surprise. Jin could tell that Dan and Charlotte cared about one another and Jin threatened to hurt Dan unless Charlotte told him the truth and agreed to help get Sun off the island. Charlotte agreed. That's my girl. No one threatens Daniel, the sweetie.

Daniel offering to go first into the station was the cutest thing. Then Sun and Jin gossiped a bit about whether Charlotte realizes that Dan likes her. A little meta humour but I enjoyed it. Love those two.

So that was a little recap of my favourite part of the episode, but what's up with Charlotte speaking Korean? Is she connected to Paik? Working for him maybe?

So far this is the only possible evidence I have seen to suggest that Paik may be anything other than a minor character.

LostMyMarbles
05-02-2008, 09:34 AM
I have to disagree. I think the inference was Charlotte was fluent in multiple languages, which she obviously is.


And yet she doesn't speak French . . . she needed to have everything translated.

Seems odd.

pacejunkie
05-02-2008, 11:02 AM
Yeah. IMO Daniel happens to be a gay person that is weak, nonconfrontational and has poor social skills. On the other hand, Tom happens to be a gay person that is strong, confrontational and is more of an extrovert. Don't put words in my mouth. :mad:
People are still entitled to their opinions right? Two terms of G.W. hasn't taken that away from us yet, right?
Sheesh.

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not putting words in your mouth. You said that his personal characteristics indicate to you that he must be homosexual:

Even when he talks...his tone, his facial expressions and ticks (scrunching up his face, tilting his head to the side while slouching,...) Also, not even attempting to fight back when confronted. It all screams for interpretation.

I'm just questioning your use of logic here. There is no such characteristic that "screams for" anything.

Pink Human
05-02-2008, 01:42 PM
As a cultural anthropologist, Charlotte would have to be a good linguist; otherwise, she'd never be able to do field work since someone would have to translate everything that the natives spoke for her, and that pretty much means she cannot study a culture without altering it. That's generally a no-no for cultural anthropology. And we've been told that she's done field work in that scene in the desert. I would guess based on her career that she could speak and understand French, too, but the writers didn't want to give away that clue yet, so they had the other woman translate. (Charlotte wasn't there to study the diggers, so she didn't care if someone translated for her.) Again, I don't think that she couldn't understand the comments the man made, but she played the role of obnoxious British archeologist who has an underling speak for her. It helped create a sense of arrogance around the character, which we saw Rose confirm in this episode.

So, in the Jin/Charlotte exchange, the writers are giving us clues that Charlotte is not totally a hot-tempered red-head (Rose's comment) since she let Dan play the knight in shinning armor. That lets the writers give themselves another "couple" for next season since the whole Juliet/Jack/Kate/Sawyer mix will be difficult to play in 2009. And there is no more Claire/Charlie couple either. Rose and Bernard have never been a hot screen couple, so even though it's there, the actors haven't been generating any romantic "heat" for those viewers who want that sort of thing.

I think the scene also set us up for later reveals. Charlotte can speak and read multiple languages, so she'll be able to read the glyphs on the various "ancient" landmarks that dot the Island, probably a hint at what Season 5 holds--no spoiler info, just my guess. We've seen lots of "ancient" artifacts so far on our Island, so she'll have lots to read. And she'll be the way the writers clear up some of the unanswered mysteries on the show. So whether or not you like Charlotte as a character, she'll be a very important one during the next two seasons.

What I thought was most interesting is that Charlotte KNEW to take Jin's comment about hurting Dan seriously. That may mean that she knows what Jin did for Paik prior to Flight 815. Breaking Dan's fingers doesn't sound too threatening UNLESS one knows that Jin has done that AND MORE before. Up until that comment, she refused to give up her secret. I think we just got a major clue who funded Charlotte's research. And that would mean that her connection to Paik and Widmore goes back long before the crash. Charlotte may not have been reacting in a romantic way (protecting her knight) when she agreed to Jin's demands--Charlotte may have believed that Jin was capable of torturing not only Dan but herself if she did not comply. I'm thinking that she did want to protect Dan, but Charlotte is not above self-preservation.

quizzical
05-02-2008, 02:14 PM
...and Jin called her out on it! That was a surprise. Jin could tell that Dan and Charlotte cared about one another and Jin threatened to hurt Dan unless Charlotte told him the truth and agreed to help get Sun off the island. Charlotte agreed. That's my girl. No one threatens Daniel, the sweetie.

Daniel offering to go first into the station was the cutest thing. Then Sun and Jin gossiped a bit about whether Charlotte realizes that Dan likes her. A little meta humour but I enjoyed it. Love those two.

So that was a little recap of my favourite part of the episode, but what's up with Charlotte speaking Korean? Is she connected to Paik? Working for him maybe?

Dan offering to go first was hilariously cute! I thought he was trying to tell Charlotte that he was going to set up some sort of ambush, but he was just awkwardly trying to be protective.

I agree with the Paik connection theory.

woland
05-02-2008, 02:40 PM
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Well said, and I think there's something to it. Remember when Doc Ray said of Daniel, "Faraday can't even help himself"? Charlotte will deflate a bit when she realizes she has to depend on these people for her survival. The character needs somewhere to go so she's starting from a place of being obnoxious. People forget that Sawyer and Jin started that way too. I have faith in her.



It's absolutely a defense mechanism, those types of traits always are. See my comment above.





That was my point, a lot of people hate Charlotte, and she is arrogant and obnoixious, but so was Sawyer. I have sympathy for Charlotte because with every episode it seems like more she is out of her depth, I don't mean she can't handle herself, but she wasn't fully prepared for the island, she thought it would easy. If you watch the scene in TSOTTC where she sees Dr. Ray's body, its brief but its frightened. I think judging by her flashback she already has a certain degree of arrogance but its kicked into high gear when she began to realize she is in over her head.

lockesmithe
05-02-2008, 02:49 PM
Making Desmond his constant, getting excited when Jack grappled with him...Getting excited when Jack grappled with him. That made me LOL. Didn't see it that way, but it's a funny, funny statement.Seriously, the only stereotyping I see going on in the show is that Daniel is a ultra-geeky science guy.

I didn't make the connection between Paik and Charlotte's Korean, but while I can see why Charlotte might know Korean, I now find it interesting that they chose to show her speaking Korean. Can't rule out that it's a clue to her having connections to Paik.

pacejunkie
05-02-2008, 02:55 PM
What I thought was most interesting is that Charlotte KNEW to take Jin's comment about hurting Dan seriously. That may mean that she knows what Jin did for Paik prior to Flight 815. Breaking Dan's fingers doesn't sound too threatening UNLESS one knows that Jin has done that AND MORE before. Up until that comment, she refused to give up her secret. I think we just got a major clue who funded Charlotte's research. And that would mean that her connection to Paik and Widmore goes back long before the crash. Charlotte may not have been reacting in a romantic way (protecting her knight) when she agreed to Jin's demands--Charlotte may have believed that Jin was capable of torturing not only Dan but herself if she did not comply. I'm thinking that she did want to protect Dan, but Charlotte is not above self-preservation.

That's a good point, and as we've seen Ben knows a lot about the freighties, it's likely the freighties know a lot about the people on the island. It may only have been Naomi that didn't expect to find them there.

Melikon
05-02-2008, 03:10 PM
Seriously, the only stereotyping I see going on here is that Daniel is a ultra-geeky science guy.

Definitely geeky. Can't understand all the love he gets from ladies on the fuse. I suppose some of you are into harmless, malleable men. lol.
For some reason I'm now reminded of something Ed Norton's character in Fight Club said. Something about the effeminancy of American men and being raised by women....something to that effect anyway. Daniel would definitely seem to fit that category. Maybe all he needs is to get punched a couple of times by Sawyer or Sayid. :rolleyes:

Pink Human
05-02-2008, 03:37 PM
That's a good point, and as we've seen Ben knows a lot about the freighties, it's likely the freighties know a lot about the people on the island. It may only have been Naomi that didn't expect to find them there.

I think that Naomi did know to expect the crash survivors but that she was coached to not to think of them as valuable--her mission was not to get them off the Island, so the comment by Abbadon <sp?> was a way to prepare her for killing them if they got in the way of the true mission.

And since the Fantastic Four (and Keamy and Company) knew that they were going to a "special" Island, I think it's a safe bet to assume that they had background information about any possible elements (people and ... non-human) they might encounter. We know that Frank knew the passenger list by heart, and since it's Widmore's boat, he could have provided his crew with files on everyone. It would seem to be a parallel to Ben's information gathering skill we saw with Mikhail.

So, Charlotte's lingistic skills just help explain why she was part of Naomi's team.

Exile236
05-02-2008, 04:10 PM
And we also know that Miles knew who Kate was and what she had done, so I don't think just because Charlotte knew enough to believe Jin's threat means that she has a connection with Paik, just that she had read up on the survivors like Miles, though probably not to the seemingly obsessive level of Frank.

LostLaura
05-02-2008, 05:51 PM
Definitely geeky. Can't understand all the love he gets from ladies on the fuse. I suppose some of you are into harmless, malleable men. lol.
For some reason I'm now reminded of something Ed Norton's character in Fight Club said. Something about the effeminancy of American men and being raised by women....something to that effect anyway. Daniel would definitely seem to fit that category. Maybe all he needs is to get punched a couple of times by Sawyer or Sayid. :rolleyes:

lol I love Dan as a character--a great addition to the show, not as someone to crush on, although there are definitely ppl on the Fuse who are crushing.

lockesmithe
05-02-2008, 05:55 PM
Maybe all he needs is to get punched a couple of times by Sawyer or Sayid. :rolleyes:

I like Dan as he is. Plus, being pummeled by Locke didn't do Charlie any good--it turned him, at least for a while, to the dark side.

pacejunkie
05-02-2008, 05:56 PM
lol I love Dan as a character--a great addition to the show, not as someone to crush on, although there are definitely ppl on the Fuse who are crushing.


:whistling


:hypocrit:

heppamies
05-04-2008, 02:37 PM
i think one of the reasons she was selected is that she knows korean.

Next episode Mr. Keamy will speak Finnish and Frank ancient hebrew.

I hope the OP will use more exlamation marks when this happens, because it is even a bigger plot turn. (banjo music).