I am a hugh fan, but after tonight I think the writers are jerking our chains.

WTH was the preview, showing the guy bleeding and telling Locke,..he's been dead for 12 years, and prior Hurley saying that they were dead,....Christian walks up to Aaron, picks him up, and steals away with Claire,..all the while Christian is dead, and now Hurley thinks that they are all dead too, and the guy in the preview says he's been dead. HUH??

Are we that guillable? Are you so absurd to think every thinking person watching Lost would buy this tripe guys...(writers)???? At least on Gilligan's Island we knew they weren't going to get off the island,...Lost is just getting silly.

How about something believable??? I feel like the writers are pulling the story out of their perverbal butts, as they go. They don't have an ending,..they never did!

And let's not forget constant beeping, like the smoke detector in this epi, very similar to the beeping in the hatch,...which we've seen in all of season three flashforwards. It's like they never left the hatch, or some such contrived tripe,...ooo scarey...

Who would believe that Claire would leave her helpless baby in the jungle alone? Nobody.

We were told by the writers that the series was not going to be a purgatory story, or anything scifi. BULL. I don't believe them anymore.

Oh,..the guy in the preview, bleeding....is the guy who brought Ben and his dad to the island, who was killed by Ben via the 'gas'. So, we are now lead to believe that the purge never happened,..because last time I checked, dead people don't bleed. Are we to believe that the whole purge scenario was a set-up to get Locke to the island,...duh..what??? I think I just had a stroke!!!!!!!!!

I can just see the final episode of the entire Lost series:

It opens in a laboratory setting,..machines buzzing, beeping, we see Damon working in a somewhat paniced frenzy, and stating soberly to Carlton: "You can bring them out of statis now."

I am so not a happy camper after tonight. I am tired of the convoluted plot line!!! Twists,...hell we need maps to keep up! Why didn't they just move forward from last week? There were more than a few areas to explore there.

It's like watching Dallas all over,..."Bobby, you're not dead,...it was all a horrible, horrible dream." AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

...What the hell are you talking about? They're clearly working toward an ending, which is more apparent now than in previous seasons. Most of the comments you made are either presumptuous or just plain ignorant. I don't want to start a flame war here, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

just a heads up..next weeks preview is considered a spoiler. there is a preview thread in the spoiler section here you can discuss this.

when I logged in tonight I was shown a thread telling me not to post anything about a preview. I guess you were not shown the same notice. People like Christian walking around the Island or Jacob in his Cabin are just manifestations of the Island. They are not alive but they seem to have the power to interact with the living at times. Charlie visits Hurley in the hospital it is the same type of incident that is happening on the Island

wow, I feel you're pain, I think lol.

unless Im mistaken, your talking about what happened in the Preview for next week. If that's the case, that is considered a spoiler here I believe, so you might want to edit your post.

you can't post info on previews.

The story has to be taken in context. It is moving along at a pretty good clip and you have to admit, there is a lot going on here.

Maybe you are expecting something else from the story? We here at CasaThor decided to just let the story unfold and to not try to expect anything more (or different) than PAWs (producers and writers) are giving us.

By suspending any expectations, we are enjoying the storyline and the characters a lot more than before. Of course, we still think that some of the writing stinks and that some of the stories this season were told badly, but we still like the show a whole heck of a lot.

By suspending any expectations, we are enjoying the storyline and the characters a lot more than before.

Don't you mean lowering your expectations Thor? This used to be a show I had to turn my brain on to watch, now it seems I have to turn it off. :undecide:

When people start threads like this I wonder, do they even like the show?

Don't you mean lowering your expectations Thor? This used to be a show I had to turn my brain on to watch, now it seems I have to turn it off. :undecide:


See...I never felt the show was that challenging...just darn good, rip-roaring entertainment from the get go. At times I liked a show like BSG more, but while BSG got a little preachy for a while, Lost is definitely chugging along now. So I guess I never had expectations of needing to be challenged by the show.

See...I never felt the show was that challenging...just darn good, rip-roaring entertainment from the get go. At times I liked a show like BSG more, but while BSG got a little preachy for a while, Lost is definitely chugging along now. So I guess I never had expectations of needing to be challenged by the show.

Exactly. We just let go of any of our own expectations and are willing to go along for the ride. And it is a great ride.

When people think the show should go in a certain direction and it doesn't go there, then the show is not about the Losties; the show is about them and their expectations. That is a frustrating way to enjoy the show.

Now if I had low expectations, I wouldn't even be watching it in the first place.

Exactly. We just let go of any of our own expectations and are willing to go along for the ride. And it is a great ride.

When people think the show should go in a certain direction and it doesn't go there, then the show is not about the Losties; the show is about them and their expectations. That is a frustrating way to enjoy the show.

Now if I had low expectations, I wouldn't even be watching it in the first place.

Well said. I'm along for the ride that Damon and Carlton are giving us and greatly enjoying this season. If the show was continually not meeting my expectations of quality, I would not waste my time watching it, much less reading and posting about it at the Lage. As it stands now, Lost ranks as one of my favorite shows of all time. I have never visited forums of other shows, and I doubt I ever will again. Lost is special.

How about something believable??? I feel like the writers are pulling the story out of their perverbal butts, as they go. They don't have an ending,..they never did!

The rest of the entire SERIES is planned out. Ending included.

And let's not forget constant beeping, like the smoke detector in this epi, very similar to the beeping in the hatch,...which we've seen in all of season three flashforwards. It's like they never left the hatch, or some such contrived tripe,...ooo scarey...

Oh, that's right. I forgot that's what LOST was all about. . .the beeping. . .yeah, I wonder when that's gonna get it's own flashback?

Who would believe that Claire would leave her helpless baby in the jungle alone? Nobody.


Way to be presumptuous. We don't know why the baby was there. Why do you jump to the conclusion that Claire decided just to lay the baby there and go for a stroll?

We were told by the writers that the series was not going to be a purgatory story, or anything scifi. BULL. I don't believe them anymore.

They said from day one that the show was scifi. I think you're just misinterpreting when they said that everything on the show can be explained with science or pseudoscience (which is scifi).

As a side note, I just have to say this. . .Why did you have to post here and rant about the show? Couldn't you have accomplished the same thing by not mocking the show that pretty much everyone here loves? You don't have to be sarcastic, and quite frankly, it lowers the quality and message of your post. Got a problem? Discuss it like an adult, not like a child calling everything a poopieface. I mean no offense by this, but this is how you came off to me, and I've seen way too many of these kinds of posts recently and I think it needs to be said.

Well said. I'm along for the ride that Damon and Carlton are giving us and greatly enjoying this season. If the show was continually not meeting my expectations of quality, I would not waste my time watching it, much less reading and posting about it at the Lage. As it stands now, Lost ranks as one of my favorite shows of all time. I have never visited forums of other shows, and I doubt I ever will again. Lost is special.

Just wanted to join the voice of reason here :D

I've been doing that since day one of my Lost fandom: just enjoying a tremendous ride! That they do sometimes make me sad? Heck yes, and the next eppy they make me happy, and they make me laugh and then they make me cry again. But in the meantime, they made me care, and that's the basis of a good show! I feel for Pace and for every Charlie fan out there (me included). But the fact that we are still mourning after months is a sign they this show is special.

Besides. There were always elements of the show that we couldn't explain. I liked it that way. Now when they are getting explained (some of them...) you might not like the explanation. But as they do the writing and not us, just as PapaThor said, we can only sit back and enjoy what they got to say about the story. It's their way or the highway. :rolleyes:

Most of the comments you made are either presumptuous or just plain ignorant.

I agree with this statement. He is making assumptions on a few seconds of preview without watching the whole episode that has not been shown.

If the original poster thinks this show has become a car crash, then they should just look away. Maybe read a good book. It's only a TV show. You should not get so emotionally involved.

I've been doing that since day one of my Lost fandom: just enjoying a tremendous ride! That they do sometimes make me sad? Heck yes, and the next eppy they make me happy, and they make me laugh and then they make me cry again. But in the meantime, they made me care, and that's the basis of a good show! I feel for Pace and for every Charlie fan out there (me included). But the fact that we are still mourning after months is a sign they this show is special.


I respect your opinion Lea but I have to laugh because your comments sounded just like what Darlton said about feeling as though they did their job if their get their viewers outraged or elicit an extreme emotional response. It should be no surprise that I disagree with that statement. The problem is, I think some of the people here are confusing good writing with pornography. The way they've abused and killed so many of their characters is nothing short of torture porn.

Don't forget Smokey. Smoke detector beeping? Hehehe I didn't think of it at the time, I read that somewhere, but it makes sense. Smokey can take many shapes. Naughty naughty discussing the preview!

I have never gotten the impression the writers think we're stupid. If anything they have to dumb down the show in general, anytime it gets a little complicated a certain portion of the viewing audiences brains start to swell and they post hater rants. :-(

How about something believable???


Umm, not to state the obvious but it's a TV show. That in itself is a cause to suspend belief.... It's um, entertainment—sometimes really, really, really good entertainment, sometimes not so good.

Despite that fact, this is one of the smarter shows on TV, so, no, I don't think the writer's think we're dumb. They visit this message board, they participate and I think, your post excluded, there are numerous displays of just how intelligent their viewers are.

Don't you mean lowering your expectations Thor? This used to be a show I had to turn my brain on to watch, now it seems I have to turn it off. :undecide:
Well I think you're treating the Sentient Island idea like it's a contrivance. I think it's the total opposite. It's an idea that's really out there (because I know many people who still can't their heads around the idea of a sentient landmass. They can accept sentient smoke and mental time travel but not a living Island) and I LOVE it. It's utterly captivating, and so is Locke's relationship to it.
I respect your opinion Lea but I have to laugh because your comments sounded just like what Darlton said about feeling as though they did their job if their get their viewers outraged or elicit an extreme emotional response. It should be no surprise that I disagree with that statement. The problem is, I think some of the people here are confusing good writing with pornography. The way they've abused and killed so many of their characters is nothing short of torture porn.
While I'm very upset and the death of the Rousseaus and the potential son-in-law right now, I also have to disagree, I haven't found any deaths to be done with a bloodlust.
Can we ever agree, PJ? :) (Well, apart from what you said about Ben's Genocide not being worth any "Greater Good", or with any RL genocide, I agree with that totally. But I tend to disagree about so many of your opinions about the show.....whilst respecting them completely, of course :p )

Umm, not to state the obvious but it's a TV show. That in itself is a cause to suspend belief....


I agree. I have been totally wrapped up in this show so tight, that I have actually gotten incredibly MAD when things on the show disappoint me...until I realized...it's a tv show. A TV SHOW. We all have the ability to turn off our sets whenever we are no longer engaged in the story. No spoilers, nothing like that for me anymore. I just watch. It's pretty good that way....most of the time.

While I'm very upset and the death of the Rousseaus and the potential son-in-law right now, I also have to disagree, I haven't found any deaths to be done with a bloodlust.

Can we ever agree, PJ? :) (Well, apart from what you said about Ben's Genocide not being worth any "Greater Good", or with any RL genocide, I agree with that totally. But I tend to disagree about so many of your opinions about the show.....whilst respecting them completely, of course :p )

Not a problem, as long as we play nice. :kiss: And since you bring it up, "bloodlust" is a word Damon has actually used, only he is under the misapprehension that it is a quality that the viewers have. He thinks he is giving the audience what it wants and I do think a lot of the show has been filled with bloodlust and senseless death for its own sake or worse, because the creators think its cool.

I respect your opinion Lea but I have to laugh because your comments sounded just like what Darlton said about feeling as though they did their job if their get their viewers outraged or elicit an extreme emotional response. It should be no surprise that I disagree with that statement. The problem is, I think some of the people here are confusing good writing with pornography. The way they've abused and killed so many of their characters is nothing short of torture porn.

I dunno what other shows you watch, Pace, but I can tell you Lost is really tame in butchering its main characters. From the original set we only lost Boone, Shannon and Charlie, and it was bound to happen on an island where the rich and mighty collide with fate, science and history.

Sure, you can be mad and abuse the writers and spill your bitterness all over the boards but you are still here, you are still watching it, after they killed off your fav character. They must be doing something right... or you just lost your remote control? :p

What I don't understand is why a lot of Lost-watchers don't treat the show as they would a novel. Withhold judgment about various moments until you've finished reading the whole book. Maybe everything is connected in a way you can't envision yet.

We're learning a lot this season about the direction of the show, but I can't help but wonder if we're being led down a path that will twist and swerve someplace else? It wouldn't be the first time, b/c the writers of Lost like playing with our minds.

I dunno what other shows you watch, Pace, but I can tell you Lost is really tame in butchering its main characters. From the original set we only lost Boone, Shannon and Charlie, and it was bound to happen on an island where the rich and mighty collide with fate, science and history.

I watch several other shows and I haven't seen a death count like this one anywhere else. It's not just the main charcters, it's the flashback characters, the recurring characters, the guest stars, the tailies, the others, the redshirts, the young, the old. The brutality is off the charts. At this point there are more dead than alive.

Sure, you can be mad and abuse the writers and spill your bitterness all over the boards but you are still here, you are still watching it, after they killed off your fav character. They must be doing something right... or you just lost your remote control? :p

No, but just like Hurley, I feel like I'm entitled to some answers at this point. I've invested too many years of my life in this and I need to see how on earth they're going to justify it all. Call it morbid curiosity.

What I don't understand is why a lot of Lost-watchers don't treat the show as they would a novel. Withhold judgment about various moments until you've finished reading the whole book. Maybe everything is connected in a way you can't envision yet.

We're learning a lot this season about the direction of the show, but I can't help but wonder if we're being led down a path that will twist and swerve someplace else? It wouldn't be the first time, b/c the writers of Lost like playing with our minds.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone looked at it this way?

This is in reply “Tired of Writers Thinking We’re All Stupid”, which I posted last night. It is now locked, and therefore, I cannot post a clarification of my views, regarding the episode, “Something Nice Back Home“.

I am sure, if you are desirous for edification, you can find my initial post by clicking on my nickname, and proceeding thereto. This is not brief, so pull up a chair, if you so desire to proceed:

After watching last night, and posting my original post regarding same, I realized clearly that my disappointment is growing due to the abstract of Lost, in the associational categorical forms which are there, but loosely so, in my opinion.

The temporal ellipsis continuity, and cheat-cuts, do not a good show make. It is not my ignorance, or blind presumption, that allows me to make my previous statement, but the tried and true rhythmic A,B,C’s of film-making, which Carlton and Damon do display, resulting in predictability. They frequently give away their over-bloated production, which provides me leeway in my assessment, and generalizations, due to their principles of film-form, or apparent lack thereof.

The overall function is there, but weak, just enough to make it interesting, for a while. The explicit meaning seems to vary, on a whim, from week to week based upon the brain-trust mood.

While the implicit meaning is non-existent. Lost relies heavily on form and feeling, in combination with conventions and experience, more so than actually tackling the form vs. content principle.

Carlton and Damon view the story as an external shape like a cup, and are more interested in the cup, than it’s murky content. This results in a form that is now suffering, in that there is a great disparity between the two. While they are able to get back on track, with the diegesis of the story, every now and again, it is quickly lost with the discontinuity editing and external diegetic sound techniques, which they love so much.

In turn, it brings them their blind fans which provides them with fame and acclaim, naturally, nobody works for free, however, in my eyes it’s film making without ethics due to the overuse of these techniques. This technique pays well, but relevant fan base will suffer, and abandon the writers in everything they involve themselves in, in the future.

Frankly, anybody who views this, logically, would realize the same. The cues are there, making it easy to see where the story is going, which is highly, and overly, predictable. They need to return to basics to hold their relevant fans, i.e. thinking beings.

I would hope they would give it a rest with the jump-cuts, and begin with more of the rhetorical form, order of sequence adherence, and intensified content as the story develops. Keeping in mind that little nasty continuity thing, while doing so.

Do not go the way of the tried, tired, true, overly abused, easy way out when writing Lost.

Fidelity is what I think the fans want to see, and thus far the writers have given us little.

I was aghast at the pabulum that was served this week. If this is any indication of what we are going to be served in the future,…I’m going out to eat. I had such hopes for Lost,..which is quickly fading.

One last aside,..the writers may want to move away from the “Exit doors”,…as they may find themselves trampled in the rush of fans who are seeking excellent entertainment, not this facsimile thereof .

I am truly sad to say this,..I loved Lost,…but my love is quickly fading.