Considering what we now know thanks to SNBH, do you think that Jack and Kate are passing Jack off as Aaron's father? Do you think Aaron refers to Jack as such?

Thoughts?

I'm not sure, I thought I had something about blonde hair, but it was wrong.

No, because that would have come up during the trial. There was no mention of Jack being a part of the defendant's sons life at all. It would make no sense for Kate to try and pass off Aaron as his son because the entire nation was transfixed by the murder trial of one of the very visible O6.

This is the problem I come up with.
The police, the FBI all know she was not pregnant when she got on that plane. She would have been 5 months and it would have been noticable. For most women. I know someone will say I wasn't showing at 5 months, but I'm betting she isn't saying she was pregnant when she got on the plane.

So if I go with the theory of island time being different from the rest of the world. Let's say she was gone long enough to get prgnant and have the baby on the island.
There were 8 survivers.
Rule out Kate and Sun
Neither Hurly or Syaid are wise choices.
That only leaves the 2 supposed survivers that died shortly after the crash and Jack.
I'm leaning towards her claiming it was one of those 2. I'm betting she is saying one of them is Swayer.

I don't think she said it was Jack because one it wasn't mentioned in the trial. Two, she was suprised to see him at the trial. I would think if he was posing as Aarons father, he would have had Aaron during the trial. Three, the press would have been all over it.
"Dr. Shepard, If Kate is convicted, how do you think you'll manage rasing your son alone?"

I'm saying probably yes right now, but I wouldn't exactly put money down on that bet... The only thing I can think of to support this would be that a DNA test might prove that Jack and Aaron are in fact related.

i posted this on another thread last week:

Remember the key 'reveal' in the movie "Chinatown", when Faye Dunaway says to slap-happy Jack Nicholson: "She's my Daughter"...slap..."She's my Sister"...slap..."She's my Daughter"...slap. Get it?

You know, after reading these posts, something popped into my head: If Jack knows by the time of the rescue that he's Aaron's uncle, then they may very well have tried to pass him off as the father because they share DNA -- which could've been important if Kate had been found guilty, as Jack could've been appointed the custodial parent (assuming he was able to handle it).

You know, after reading these posts, something popped into my head: If Jack knows by now that he's Aaron's uncle, then they may very well have tried to pass him off as the father because they share DNA -- which could've been important if Kate had been found guilty and Aaron needed someone to get custody of him.
I thought of that too, Bella but I think that the DNA markers are more specific than that and they can tell he was a close relative but not the father (but I'm not a scientist so any of you out there feel free to contradict me...)
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I thought of that too, Bella but I think that the DNA markers are more specific than that and they can tell he was a close relative but not the father (but I'm not a scientist so any of you out there feel free to contradict me...)
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You could be right -- but I wonder if there's such a thing in DNA testing as a "dirty" test, i.e. one that tests for general marker matches and not specifics.

I thought of that too, Bella but I think that the DNA markers are more specific than that and they can tell he was a close relative but not the father (but I'm not a scientist so any of you out there feel free to contradict me...)
squid

Yeah, if they ran a DNA test, they'd be able to see that the shared alleles between Jack and Aaron were much lower than for a father and son. I voted no, if Jack was "pretending" to be Aaron's father, I would think he wouldn't have been so hesitant to be around him. It wouldn't "jive" with the lie being told.

I voted unsure. I love Jack and Kate together! And I love Jack with Aaron. But I actually hope the answer is no. It's just too... wrong. It would eat Jack up inside that much more.

I think that kind of info would have come up during the trial. Yes, yes, it was a ridiculous farce, but still... Even that DA could have cast suspicion on Jack's testimony much more efficiently with: "Don't you and the defendant have a kid together?" rather than with: "Do you love her?"

Kate is in no way obligated to tell anybody who the father is. However they resolve the time issue, all Kate needs to do is say she gave birth to him, not who the father was. A "none of your business" is all it takes.

I think that kind of info would have come up during the trial. Yes, yes, it was a ridiculous farce, but still... Even that DA could have cast suspicion on Jack's testimony much more efficiently with: "Don't you and the defendant have a kid together?" rather than with: "Do you love her?"

Kate is in no way obligated to tell anybody who the father is. However they resolve the time issue, all Kate needs to do is say she gave birth to him, not who the father was. A "none of your business" is all it takes.

See, I can't hinge my opinion on the trial because there was so much we didn't see that it would be egregious of us to assume that it's not true simply because it wasn't addressed, mainly because we know how this show operates.

...and also because as far as the judiciary goes, it was ridiculous, even by television standards. That's why I have reservations, but I still see no need for an official daddy.

...and also because as far as the judiciary goes, it was ridiculous, even by television standards. That's why I have reservations, but I still see no need for an official daddy.

Besides how SQUEE-worthy it would be to see Jack called, "Daddy," of course. ;)

Aww... oh man... don't make me imagine that, Bella! Then I'll start wishing for it to be true for all the wrong reasons!

Aww... oh man... don't make me imagine that, Bella! Then I'll start wishing for it to be true for all the wrong reasons!

There are no wrong reasons. :biggrin:

No. The implication is that Jack only recently got together with Kate.

I voted as no. Although I am not 100% sure :ohwell:

I voted no too. Either it is never brought up who the "father" is supposed to be...at least in the show, or the O6 will all claim that the "father" died in the crash or before the rescue.

Maybe Kate tells everyone the Marshal is Aaron's father!

J/K! :biggrin:

...and also because as far as the judiciary goes, it was ridiculous, even by television standards. That's why I have reservations, but I still see no need for an official daddy.

I agree with this as far as the trial goes..it was just a few minutes of it shown.

i posted: Remember the key 'reveal' in the movie "Chinatown", when Faye Dunaway says to slap-happy Jack Nicholson: "She's my Daughter"...slap..."She's my Sister"...slap..."She's my Daughter"...slap. Get it?

No one got it so I'll spell it out...

Christian is Aaron's Bio-Daddy! Claire to paraphrase "Chinatown" would say:

"He's my Son....He's my Brother...He's my Son!"

Wouldn't that knowledge make Jack not want to be around Aaron?

I agree with this as far as the trial goes..it was just a few minutes of it shown.

i posted: Remember the key 'reveal' in the movie "Chinatown", when Faye Dunaway says to slap-happy Jack Nicholson: "She's my Daughter"...slap..."She's my Sister"...slap..."She's my Daughter"...slap. Get it?

No one got it so I'll spell it out...

Christian is Aaron's Bio-Daddy! Claire to paraphrase "Chinatown" would say:

"He's my Son....He's my Brother...He's my Son!"

Wouldn't that knowledge make Jack not want to be around Aaron?


Gross. :rolleyes:

:fear3:NO!!!

I agree with this as far as the trial goes..it was just a few minutes of it shown.

i posted: Remember the key 'reveal' in the movie "Chinatown", when Faye Dunaway says to slap-happy Jack Nicholson: "She's my Daughter"...slap..."She's my Sister"...slap..."She's my Daughter"...slap. Get it?

No one got it so I'll spell it out...

Christian is Aaron's Bio-Daddy! Claire to paraphrase "Chinatown" would say:

"He's my Son....He's my Brother...He's my Son!"

Wouldn't that knowledge make Jack not want to be around Aaron?


Sure it might be... if I bought it... which I don't...
I think its guilt about leaving Claire behind and maybe having to take Aaron out for his own safety without her in the midst of a crisis...
squid

what puzzles me is why they believe that Aaron is Kate's son... a simple DNA test will show that they are completely unrelated.

there must be a serious time discrepancy between the island and the real world - more than we are currently seeing... in order for people to not be suspicious of this.

what puzzles me is why they believe that Aaron is Kate's son... a simple DNA test will show that they are completely unrelated.

there must be a serious time discrepancy between the island and the real world - more than we are currently seeing... in order for people to not be suspicious of this.

I voted No ...I don't think they try to pass Jack off as the Daddy.
But like you Zillah, I don't get how they can pass Aaron off has Kate's child either. Unless some lab wokers/medical personnel are in on the secret.

Considering that neither one of them have blonde hair, I think that might raise a few eyebrows.

Adults' hair can darken. My husband was very blond in his youth and is completely dark-haired now. The kids' hair is darkening so much I don't think they will be able to claim any version of blond soon.
But that aside, simple human gestation tells us that Kate would have been at least a few months pregnant when the plane crashed, and that's if you want to stretch logical timelines, in order to produce a child that old at the time of the rescue. Sun conceived AFTER they arrived on the island, and she gave birth off-island, so that puts the rescue in spring/summer of 2005, right? If Sun didn't have time to conceive and complete even a short pregnancy, how would Kate have had time to meet Jack (they never knew each other before this), get pregnant (even if it was the day of the crash), and have the baby?
She's Super Kate, but she's not that super. If she is, many women out there want her secret...to think I did the whole 40-weeks-of-pregnancy thing all those times when there's a shortcut!
No, he's the uncle only.

what puzzles me is why they believe that Aaron is Kate's son... a simple DNA test will show that they are completely unrelated.

People don't go around administering DNA tests to mothers when no one is disputing the fact that the child they are claiming is theirs.

People don't go around administering DNA tests to mothers when no one is disputing the fact that the child they are claiming is theirs.

Exactly. She can say she had a one night stand with a blonde guy in Australia and she was four months pregnant when she boarded the plane (I don't think the O6 will show up in the real world the next day after they leave the Island...) It's nobody's business. I'm sure it will raise eyebrows, but Kate doesn't have to dangle Aaron over a balcony for the photographers to take pictures. Nobody has to see more than a glimpse of him and if she says he's two months old instead of four, who's gonna dispute that as long as he's kept hidden?

maybe in some future flashback (will we ever get another one?) Kate and that Marshall Mars guy will be shown having an affair... or some reason for his other men to think that maybe those two were playing pelvic pinochle. That might be something to explain how it could be her son.

However, why can't they just say that the real baby's mother died in the crash, that she was one of the one's that Kate "rescued" but they couldnt save (remember Jack's testimony)? I mean, it's strange I suppose, but then again how believable is the story of the O6 thus far? Their plane was "found" and all passengers "confirmed dead"... yet suddenly 6 (that we know of) show up back alive and well. Frankly, I think the media and general public would buy it if Kate said the real mommy died and she took over while they were stranded, given that they bought all the other odds and ends of their wacky story.

However, why can't they just say that the real baby's mother died in the crash, that she was one of the one's that Kate "rescued" but they couldnt save (remember Jack's testimony)? I mean, it's strange I suppose, but then again how believable is the story of the O6 thus far?
I think the media and general public would buy it if Kate said the real mommy died and she took over while they were stranded, given that they bought all the other odds and ends of their wacky story.

Hmmm, cuz then they would want to track down the actual 'next-of-kin' and take the baby away from Kate. Isn't that what would happen in real life?

Agree that if no one doubted or challenged Kate's story, tests would not be administered. Remember when the lawyer wanted to bring Aaron into the court-room for 'sympathy' and Kate got upset and refused? This may be why. To keep any questions re. him from being raised.

Besides, even if my 'taboo theory' doesn't happen, it still could be that Kate and Aaron ARE related in DNA. ;) Many feel that is why per the Island :Jack and Kate "cannot stay together", the "Star Wars, Luke and Leia Theory", that they are related.

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Hmmm, cuz then they would want to track down the actual 'next-of-kin' and take the baby away from Kate. Isn't that what would happen in real life?

Agree that if no one doubted or challenged Kate's story, tests would not be administered. Remember when the lawyer wanted to bring Aaron into the court-room for 'sympathy' and Kate got upset and refused? This may be why. To keep any questions re. him from being raised.

Besides, even if my 'taboo theory' doesn't happen, it still could be that Kate and Aaron ARE related in DNA. ;) Many feel that is why per the Island :Jack and Kate "cannot stay together", the "Star Wars, Luke and Leia Theory", that they are related.

Hmmmm, haven't heard THAT theory before..........seems a little macabre now considering Jack and Kate were shown living together in the FF from SNBH, and with her panties on the floor, and the make out session in the hallway, I'm sure they've slept together. Very, very gross if they are related. I don't think TPTB would go there, just too wrong. Luke and Leia didn't go anywhere near as far as Jack and Kate have. IMO Kate and Aaron aren't related, and if by the slimmest chances they are related, it wouldn't be through Jack's side.

I voted no.

The authorities don't do pregnancy tests on captured fugitives, the 06 will just pass Aaron off as Kate's biological son born on Island. Not every mother gets as large as Claire did, my Mom only gained 20lbs when she had me and I came out a healthy full term 8lb 7oz. There will be some questions about his size when they get off, but with the other 4 backing up her claim and her keeping him out of the spotlight, it'll die out.