Ok, I have been reading these boards daily for atleast a year or so, but I have never registered until today, because I was always terrified that I would get ripped to shreds if I ever posted anything, so here goes, its a dumb thought, and horrible for my first post but here goes:

So we continue to see people that have died or should be dead reappear. I started thinking of a cool concept from star wars. At the end of eppisode three as the Jedi are scattering to flee from the Sith, Yoda sends Obi Wan to Tatooine and tells him he has more training for him to do. Yoda tells him the spirit of Qui-Gon would teach him how to retain his identity through the Force and commune with the living after death. Then we see him at the end of Eppisode 4 fighting Darth Vader, he deactivates his lightsaber allowing vader to kill him, but then his body dissapears as he "becomes one with the force" From there on out, we see him appear to Luke from time to time through the remaining movies, and we also see Yoda and even Anikan appear after death to Luke.

Could someone like Charlie be doing the same thing, Now that he is dead, he can appear to Hurrley and others in times of need to give them instruction. And whos to say its just Charlie, but also Boone, Yemi, Christian, anyone really. Not sure how Yemi or any of them would learn about how to do this like Yoda instructed Obi-wan, but it could be simular.

This idea could already be on here some where or rediculous, but it seems like Charlie is always appearing to Hurley to give instructions to Hurley about himself and now to Jack... just a thought, let me know how bad it is!

"You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

I have to agree. It seems like something very similar is going on here. Back when Eko was killed, and said "you're next", Darlton pointed out in the next podcast that that didn't seem like necessarily such a bad thing. It looked like after he died, Eko was hanging out with his brother, reliving happier times. And Christian and Charlie, at least, seem to have acquired Obi-like powers. It also seems that they can't get off the island, (including by dying), until they are no longer "lost" as individuals. Charlie became who he was meant to be, and so he could move on to the higher stage of existence. Maybe that's why they all survived an unsurvivable plane crash, and why Michael couldn't kill himself. They can't die until they finish their own personal work.

Your ideas are not bad by a long shot. I am not a Star Wars person but I think your idea about returning from the dead does not apply to our story.

However, PAWs (producers and writers) are big fans of the Star Wars saga and I am sure they would find your idea intriguing.

P. S. Keep posting your ideas. There is no such thing as a bad theory. Crazy maybe but, not bad,

Thanks pythagora... I couldn't remember that quote off the top of my head, but that line from Obi-Wan to Darth reminds me of the mind frame that Ecko had as he died like he had been enlightened to something new, and charlie cared so much about Hurley and now he appears to him quite a bit in time of need or instruction. Who knows... but thanks to both of you for your encouragement

I've wondered about this idea for quite awhile.
With the repeated references to eastern spirituality in both LOST and SW it wouldn't suprirse me if achieving a "higher state of enlightenment" is a state of awareness that is possible for some people after they have completed their Island mission.

Your theories are not bad at all and it would seem that Charlie fits into this theory. Keep posting! All ideas are welcome :smile:

I think this is one of the best ideas explaining why we are seeing people seem so alive after they have died.
On another note , I have been lurking for a few years now and I have noticed the people here are very open and rarely if ever critical.

this is a great theory. it makes sense that both charlie and yemi could "evolve" because both of their deaths were selfless acts to save someone else/benefit the greater good. now then, I guess what intrigues me is what are the circumstances surrounding christian that would make him "fit" in this category, provided this is the criteria...

design_sis.... you touched on something greater than I had thought about, both Charlie and Yemi gave up thier lives to save others, just like Obi-Wan did in his death scene giving luke and han a chance to get to the Falcon.... I am with you though, how does christian fit into this picture.... maybe we don't have all the information yet... or maybe my whole idea isn't gonna work after all

Ok, I have been reading these boards daily for atleast a year or so, but I have never registered until today, because I was always terrified that I would get ripped to shreds if I ever posted anything, so here goes, its a dumb thought, and horrible for my first post but here goes:

So we continue to see people that have died or should be dead reappear. I started thinking of a cool concept from star wars. At the end of eppisode three as the Jedi are scattering to flee from the Sith, Yoda sends Obi Wan to Tatooine and tells him he has more training for him to do. Yoda tells him the spirit of Qui-Gon would teach him how to retain his identity through the Force and commune with the living after death. Then we see him at the end of Eppisode 4 fighting Darth Vader, he deactivates his lightsaber allowing vader to kill him, but then his body dissapears as he "becomes one with the force" From there on out, we see him appear to Luke from time to time through the remaining movies, and we also see Yoda and even Anikan appear after death to Luke.

Could someone like Charlie be doing the same thing, Now that he is dead, he can appear to Hurrley and others in times of need to give them instruction. And whos to say its just Charlie, but also Boone, Yemi, Christian, anyone really. Not sure how Yemi or any of them would learn about how to do this like Yoda instructed Obi-wan, but it could be simular.

This idea could already be on here some where or rediculous, but it seems like Charlie is always appearing to Hurley to give instructions to Hurley about himself and now to Jack... just a thought, let me know how bad it is!

Interesting points. I didn't care for the later Star Wars movies so I'm no expert but it certainly could fit in with what we've learned so far. Don't worry to much about getting ripped to shreds, though, that's more usually a hazard of posting in the shipper threads (those who care about which characters end up together romantically if you've not come across the term before... I hadn't:) )

and I think your idea might tie in rather nicely with the preview for tomorrow's episode

An aside, looks like you're a CSLewis fan, me too! There are some interesting threads regarding his works and their tie in with the show if you've not run across them yet.
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Yes I am a big CS Lewis fan, I like the thought as well that the island might be the "world between the worlds" that we see in The Magicians Nephew, its a place that Diggory chose which portal to go through, it seems that Ben can some how teleport to different times and places. I have looked over those post I love anything thats tieing him in with this. It just smart writing all around

I think this is an excellent theory!!! There are many tie in with Star Wars and TPTB have stated that SW has given them some creative ideas.

Keep the great ideas coming. And dont mind the "theory haters" that loom in the dark here at the lage... I have found some brilliant minds, great friends and many people who will always stand up for someone that is getting negative vibes from posters. Beside, our mods would stop them. Lage does not tolerate haters!!

Looking forward to hearing more from you!!!

I think this is an excellent theory!!! There are many tie in with Star Wars and TPTB have stated that SW has given them some creative ideas.

Keep the great ideas coming. And dont mind the theory haters that loom in the dark her at the lage... I have found some brilliant minds, great friends and many people who will always stand up for someone that is getting negative vibes from posters. Beside, our mods would stop them. Lage does not tolerate haters!!

Looking forward to hearing more from you!!!

But KG, they're are tie-ins to alot of major literary and movie themes most notably Alice In Wonderland, The Wizard of oz, Star Wars, apparently It's a Wonderful Life figures in, etc, etc....

However, when I saw the black white Orca (I promise not to call them killer whales since they are apparently dolphins...whodda thunkit?), I figured we might have a little bit of Aaronkin Littlewalker on our hands. But c'mon, they had Lando Calri...Landro Calrisi...Billy Dee Williams! on the show and that was Star Wars for ya right there...(<>..<>)

I do agree UAC, and you are one of the brilliant minds I was talking about!!! You know I am one of those that love every little connection, and see all kinds of easter eggs that are not really there. But that is why I love Lost so much. Until the very last episode, anything is possible!! So why not come up with crazy theories? Who knows, it might be the one that is right. Plus, I really want to point out, this SW theory is pretty good, I mean, have you read some of the other theories posted as reasons why the dead won't stay dead on the island???

I do agree UAC, and you are one of the brilliant minds I was talking about!!! You know I am one of those that love every little connection, and see all kinds of easter eggs that are not really there. But that is why I love Lost so much. Until the very last episode, anything is possible!! So why not come up with crazy theories? Who knows, it might be the one that is right. Plus, I really want to point out, this SW theory is pretty good, I mean, have you read some of the other theories posted as reasons why the dead won't stay dead on the island???

But sure, we know Star Wars is gonna be in it, and maybe not merely nods and winks, but who knows they might use some mythology from it as a vibe in the show. But I'm not so sure being dead makes you more powerful, like Obi-Wan said,but I've always felt like in a way it might be a release from the island.

I'll base this on the case of Ms. Klugh. A woman who likes chanting "only fools are enslaved by time and space", which I always affirmed meant somebody had a way to travel through time and space, since that's exactly what she told us way back when. And she didn't hesitate to tell Mikhail to shoot her in the freakin' head, just because she didn't want to let the Losties get into the "territories", which was pretty much inevitable anyway? Sounds like a woman not afraid to die, but also sounds like a woman with an insurance policy against "real" death, huh? Because, only fools are enslaved by time and space...

See, some of the stuff is real simple and right there, like Ms. Klugh and Ms. Hawking with her weird *** Ouroboros which, when you look at it, suggests that time is branched and not cyclical, hence the Ouroboros is not eating it's tail. She obviously did travel back to one of those time branches to set Desmond straight because she knew he would be there. I affirmed that this one event signified that we are dealing with some people who are operating in 4D, or none of it would have been possible to start with. 12 Monkees runnin' lose all over the Lost island, methinkz...

Another one I thought was pretty obvious is when Jack is on the plane in TTLG and wants a drink, and the stewardess tells him "We'll be landing in 20 minutes" and he looks right back at her and says "well, 20 minutes is a long time". I pointed out to a friend of mine that the line meant something, considering the way he delivered it, but said friend wasn't buying it. And now that we know that Farraday's "how long they've been gone and your perception of how long they have been gone...could be different". I'll rest my case on that one. But like I said, I thought it was pretty obvious..

As far as I'm concerned, they have given us plenty of things right out in the open to at least give us a good idea about the basic premise of what's going on, and I've felt this way for a season or two.

That's all well and good though, but the Devil is in the details, and I'll be keeping my eyes open for more obscura, as everytime somebody finds something new like that, a roar goes up from the crowd (of obscura obsessed LOST fans, anyway)...

As you know, I have my own theories.... But I do like to read and listen and research others. I guess in the game of "Risk" you could call me Switzerland....LOL

As you know, I have my own theories.... But I do like to read and listen and research others. I guess in the game of "Risk" you could call me Switzerland....LOL

Well then, I'm gonna check out some of your theories more closely, because it seems to me that alot of us have a piece of the puzzle so it helps to read other's thoughts because they may be focusing on a different aspect of the show, and it helps fill in your own thoughts...Like, I tend to analyze more on the mystical, scientific, or obscura in the show, and not so much on the dramatic interaction, but I read other's interpretations of this because that's what their focus is on, so the diversity of things studied is pretty good, without having to do it all yourself.

Speaking of Risk, I'm not a big Risk player, but another poster who is said that Hurley's remark about "You gave up Australia-Australia is the key to the game" is incorrect in the game of Risk. This is bad strategy for the game, since you will get bogged down in SE Asia, but why am I not surprised in a show where everything is reversed. There's more than a hint of "bizarro world" in LOST.

I think Hurley's remark meant more about the game between Widmore and Ben, and it was a way for Hurley to get that out there and reveal that that is about the most ***-backwards way to try and win at Risk.

BTW KG, if you want to check out some wild stuff, click on the Open Your Eyes People thread in my signature, and check out some pics and theories in there, you won't be disappointed. And, if you don't mind, give that thread a bump for me as I've now got a pile of hella imagery that I 've been needing to post in there and get it rolling again with Jacob comin' back around again...(<>..<>)

I cannot believe I have not read your theory. I will do it right now. You have such insight into your posts. If you have time, please take a look at mine. I don't have a theory of everything. But I am trying!!

BTW I don't play Risk, but my hubby does. He said Australia is key to the game. But what does he know, he has one of those wife's that spends many hours on the computer researching Lost.... when would he have time to play Risk??

I cannot believe I have not read your theory. I will do it right now. You have such insight into your posts. If you have time, please take a look at mine. I don't have a theory of everything. But I am trying!!

BTW I don't play Risk, but my hubby does. He said Australia is key to the game. But what does he know, he has one of those wife's that spends many hours on the computer researching Lost.... when would he have time to play Risk??

Good deal, and I'll do the same. And one thing: keep in mind that we wrote alot of this after The Man Behind The Curtain episode aired, so we didn't have all the clues we have now, but I'll bet upon reading it that you'll be thinking that we were already getting onto some things that are more significant now, and we did some pretty good speculating for that point in time with the info we had, but this is Lost so every week could be a Theodorick: Medievel Barber moment:

Saturday Night Live--1975--Steve Martin as Theodorick of York: Medievel Barber

Announcer: [ over scolling SUPER ] "In the Middle Ages, medicine was still in its infancy. The art of healing was conducted not by physicians, but by barbers. The medieval barbers were the forerunners of today's men of medicine, and many of the techniques they developed are still practiced today. This is the story of one such barber."
excerpted:
Joan: Will she be alright?

Theodoric of York: Well, I'll do everything humanly possible. Unfortunately, we barbers aren't gods. You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, they thought a disease like your daughter's was caused by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach.

Joan: Well, I'm glad she's in such good hands.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/theodoricofYork.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa95/UnderAlienControl/theodoricofYork.jpg)--Theodorick of York

That about sums up how Lost feels when you theorize and then the show goes a different direction or throws you a curveball and then you re-theorize all over again...(<>..<>)

P>S> The other Risk guy had a pretty detailed post about why Australia sucks in Risk, check out last weeks epi board The Shape of Things To Come and you can probably find that Risk post I read. Maybe your hubby is just a weekend (Risk) warrior LOL...(<>..<>)

UnderAlienControl
Speaking of Risk, I'm not a big Risk player, but another poster who is said that Hurley's remark about "You gave up Australia-Australia is the key to the game" is incorrect in the game of Risk.
The other Risk guy had a pretty detailed post about why Australia sucks in Risk, More RISK??? I was in on that thread, and have played it for many years.
Please, I hope I can make it clear to you who do not play it...

Aussie CAN BE the key, if the other players allow it to be. It is the FIRST key to winning, but not the only one. That's why Hurley was trying to get Sawyer to attack it when they had the chance to 'bust it'.

Any of the other smaller continents also CAN BE the key to winning, if no one else 'busts' them early on. It's really the "hold out and build up armies" strategy that works with either of the 3 smaller Cont's (S.America; Africa; Aussie)

So UAC is not correct, Aussie does NOT suck, it's the player who does not know how to use it correctly that sucks at Risk.

Perhaps the real 'lesson/clue' that is being given in that scene. After all, Sawyer replies with "It's how you play the game" or words to that effect

But KG, they're are tie-ins to alot of major literary and movie themes most notably Alice In Wonderland, The Wizard of oz, Star Wars, apparently It's a Wonderful Life figures in, etc, etc....

However, when I saw the black white Orca (I promise not to call them killer whales since they are apparently dolphins...whodda thunkit?), I figured we might have a little bit of Aaronkin Littlewalker on our hands. But c'mon, they had Lando Calri...Landro Calrisi...Billy Dee Williams! on the show and that was Star Wars for ya right there...(<>..<>)

UAC, Like Kansasgal, I am a fan of your theories!!
I also love all the literary references/ and movie refs. Unfortuantely,I only get some of the Star Wars connections bec/ I'm not a huge SWs fan.

But I can go on and on about The Wizard Of OZ and Alice in Wonderland refs! :smile:
One quick Wizard ref in this episode is Ben,Locke,and Hurley off to the see the Wizard ie. Jacob
Ben needs a heart and soul
Locke needs a brain
Hurley needs courage

And Claire = Dorothy as I think she is taking a trip down the Yellow Brick Road.

addictedfan
UAC, Like Kansasgal, I am a fan of your theories!!
I also love all the literary references/ and movie refs. Unfortuantely,I only get some of the Star Wars connections bec/ I'm not a huge SWs fan.

But I can go on and on about The Wizard Of OZ and Alice in Wonderland refs!
One quick Wizard ref in this episode is Ben,Locke,and Hurley off to the see the Wizard ie. Jacob
Ben needs a heart and soul
Locke needs a brain
Hurley needs courage

And Claire = Dorothy as I think she is taking a trip down the Yellow Brick Road.



In my eyes it is a formal expectation, it helps to move the story and gets the audience more involved, moreover it creates a involving power of form by adapting already established plots (wizard of oz ) ect.

UAC, Like Kansasgal, I am a fan of your theories!!
I also love all the literary references/ and movie refs. Unfortuantely,I only get some of the Star Wars connections bec/ I'm not a huge SWs fan.

But I can go on and on about The Wizard Of OZ and Alice in Wonderland refs! :smile:
One quick Wizard ref in this episode is Ben,Locke,and Hurley off to the see the Wizard ie. Jacob
Ben needs a heart and soul
Locke needs a brain
Hurley needs courage

And Claire = Dorothy as I think she is taking a trip down the Yellow Brick Road.

Well, thanks AddictedFan. I really get into the pop culture and nods and winks to other media that TPTB give. If I did a show like this, I would be giving shoutouts every week to other sources, too. After all, we learned to read and watch interesting stuff that stoked our imaginations before we ever learned how to write anything interesting that stoked any imaginations, so I like it when the artists who "have gone before" are honored with a nod and a wink or a plot device.

And to think, I didn't even watch S1 when it premiered, and only started watching during S2 and caught up on DVD. Reason: I had no faith. I figured, what are they gonna be able to do with this thing on network TV that's gonna make it stand out? Nothing I reasoned, and I'm usually pretty picky about what I put time into watching, especially a series, so I passed. My B.

I'd felt kinda burned by 24 and really didn't want to go with another network show like that. Loved the 24 start though. It was promising. Maybe I'll watch it all on dvd one day. But 24 poisoned me against Lost. Not again, I figured. Catch it on dvd one day like 24. And, with LOST competing against all the cable series I was already invested in The Wire (Best show on TV), The Sopranos, Entourage, Weeds, and then Dexter, which were all killer shows, I didn't see any need for Lost. And BTW, I have never seen one episode of Alias-maybe bits and pieces here and there or previews, but that's about it. I dunno, I just wasn't buying what J.J. was selling on that one, although I'm sure it probably had high production values, and Jennifer Garner, hubba hubba. Hey, who knows, maybe I'll watch Alias one day on dvd (it's becoming a mantra)...

Well Boyyyyyyy, was I wrong, because Lost is about alot of things I like-a good sci-fi mystery show = gotta love it. I thought, wow TPTB seem to like alot of the stuff I've read and watched, and they probably had me at Land of the Lost, and onward, and the King stuff was great too since I had read alot of his stuff. Not so much on the philosophers and scientists that they used for names and clues, but I remember reading that alot of sociologists work in the bullpen helping write the show, so that's probably where alot of that comes from. Still, the mystery/sci-fi references are where it's at for me-and BTW would anybody like some Nozz-A-La Cola?

And, as a plus, who knew the actors and directing/producing would be so good, considering alot of the cast consisted of relative unknowns (Sun Jin Desmond Ben etc.) and character actors, such as Terry O'Quinn. It's been pretty excellent for the most part and hats off to the whole production from top to bottom. They are getting it done and delivering the product while wrangling a huge story, a huge cast and shooting outdoors. That's probably right up there with herding cats, no mean feat...

So, if Jacob is in a flying cabin (construct?), does it mean anything that Smokey kinda came in like a tornado last week when he jumped the freighties? And I wonder-if Jacob gets his old hoopty cabin/construct up to 88 miles per hour, are we going to see some serious 5hit? (<>..<>)

Like you UAC while I loved Lost from the beginning, I honestly thought it wouldn't stand a chance as I didn't think it would have enough "mainstream appeal"....but I suppose the sexy,good-looking cast kept the average viewer coming back. LOL!

And I agree the actors/actresses are amazingly talented! They were spot on in their choices of actors/actresses!

Btw,I was a 24 fan too and like you never got into Alias...I tried to like it but it just never "hooked" me.

LOST just has something for everyone,imo and so many layers.... I don't think any other show compares to LOST!

I am just happy to see a show that is not "Reality TV" and not another networks attempt to try and Seinfield us again.

I have always been a trekkie. I was happy to see the tie ins with Lost. I know many are saying that Lost is not Sci-Fi, but to me it fills my need to be entertained and challenged at the same time.

There is no such thing as a bad theory.
Well, I'll have to go ahead and take the contrary view there. :biggrin: It reminds me of a professor friend of mine. She tells her students, "there's no such thing as a bad question." But in private, she admits she's a big liar!

I always say there is no such thing as a bad theory, just in case mine is bad.....:frown::redface::biggrin:

I always say there is no such thing as a bad theory, just in case mine is bad.....:frown::redface::biggrin:

Well, if the saying "there are no illigitimate children, only illigitimate parents" is applied here, then could we apply that and say "there are no bad theories, only bad theorists"...LOL (<>..<>) And don't worry K-Gal, your good to go, you know/study the show of which you speak, and that's really all that matters girl...(<>..<>)