Well, I figured Jacob's cabin might just be some kind of construct, the way it moves around, and now I figure Jacob has chosen Christian to be his 'Construct" via apparition or some type of freakin' voodoo...
And why did I feel like that Claire is already dead sitting up there in the cabin? Not saying she is, I just kinda felt that way watching her...

But, maybe she was so cool with everything because "daddy" has filled her in on the whole dealio so she's all good with it no worries, mate...(<>..<>)

Well, I figured Jacob's cabin might just be some kind of construct, the way it moves around, and now I figure Jacob has chosen Christian to be his 'Construct" via apparition or some type of freakin' voodoo...
And why did I feel like that Claire is already dead sitting up there in the cabin? Not saying she is, I just kinda felt that way watching her...

But, maybe she was so cool with everything because "daddy" has filled her in on the deal so she's all good with it no worries, mate...(<>..<>)

I kinda thought she was dead, too...but then I noticed she had a band-aid on her forehead. I don't know...I could be wrong...but I don't think dead people need band-aids.

I really think she knows something, that cute little smirk she gave Christian drove me nuts, I was yelling "WHAT DOES SHE KNOW?????"

Gotta agree you with. I figured maybee Claire died over night in the last episode.

I almost don't think it was really her at all.

It was kind of creepy seeing Claire sitting there like that; especially that little smirk. She and daddy must've had some pow wow.

I have to ask Did Horace build the cabin? Is Horace, Jacob? spoiler isn't really a spoiler it was stuff we saw in the episode relating to the cabin, just doing my part for the unspoiled.

I didnt subscribe to the theories that Claire was already dead prior to this episode...but I'm totally convinced now. Not in the explosion, but rather during the night while she slept. She "awoke", dead, and walked off with Christian. Miles didn't follow cuz he knows a dead person when he sees one. I really liked how they pulled this off. Still not sure what I think of talking corpses but Im sure they'll pull it off somehow.

Agree with Jack Sawyer. There's another thread called "I'm with him." or whatever. They should be merged.

What I want to know is this: If Christian speaks for Jacob, who the F is Jacob?? We still don't know!!!

Horace did say he was building a cabin for him and his lady or something like that but it was def for him. I agree with the earlier poster about Horace being someone else.

I didnt subscribe to the theories that Claire was already dead prior to this episode...but I'm totally convinced now. Not in the explosion, but rather during the night while she slept. She "awoke", dead, and walked off with Christian. Miles didn't follow cuz he knows a dead person when he sees one. I really liked how they pulled this off. Still not sure what I think of talking corpses but Im sure they'll pull it off somehow.

I didn't agree with it last episode either, and I'm not totally convinced now, but I'm leaning more that way now. Does Miles see ghosts though? All we know for sure is that he hears them. But he also hears people who are alive too......Besides, other people have seen supposed "ghosts" on the Island too.

Or people passing through time??

I think the cabin is a "steady" place on the Island for people to hold as they slip through time. Kinda like the "hub" of the Island. And time is spinning around it.

(I just made that up - it sounds really crazy! LOLOLOOLOL!!! :roflmao: )

Well, this re-enforces to me what I've always thought. The Whispers don't talk directly to the Losties, only amongst themselves, hence the whispering. When they want to communicate or use a Lostie for something, they use an apparition. Maybe in their interdimensional state, or flux or whatever, they are simply not able to be seen and can't even generate enough volume to be heard clearly. Like a radio that's not quite on the station to the point where everything is mumbly and static until you tune it in a little better.

I think Miles is able to "tune it in a little better", and his official role maybe to gather info about what has transpired on the island, open a line of communication to the whispers and or Jacob, and oh yeah, on the side try to extort Ben for 3.2 million.

But, it could come to a point for Miles where he is psychically overloaded and turned into a freakin' zucchini and ends up in a room at the Santa Rosa Hilton. I would file that one under "Instant kharma-ain't it a b1tch?"...(<>..<>)

I think that Claire's in some kind of hypnotic state. I haven't figured out how Jacob got Christian body to inhabit. It does look like Jacob, in the guise of Horace, built the cabin. I was wondering if Horace's punishment from the Island for bringing Ben to It is that he is perpetually building the cabin or if this was just one way of getting John's attention since he was looking for the cabin.

I think that Claire's in some kind of hypnotic state. I haven't figured out how Jacob got Christian body to inhabit. It does look like Jacob, in the guise of Horace, built the cabin. I was wondering if Horace's punishment from the Island for bringing Ben to It is that he is perpetually building the cabin or if this was just one way of getting John's attention since he was looking for the cabin.

Good thought Guinevere!! I really like that idea and it makes alot of sense!

Claire was acting strange and I'm just not ready to committ myself fully to Claire being dead, just seems "off".

Horace built a cabin, and after the DI was purged, Jacob, clearly a disembodied spirit, made it his headquarters for when he wanted to communicate with the living. Ben made the cabin stay put with the ring of ash, but somehow Locke did manage to set it loose.

Horace's appearance in the dream was not literal but a symbolic way to tell Locke that he could find out where the cabin was by following the map in Horace's pocket.

Does anyone know if this is the first time someone on the show has called Dharma "the DI" like everyone on the internet does?

Cardie

Good thought Guinevere!! I really like that idea and it makes alot of sense!

Claire was acting strange and I'm just not ready to committ myself fully to Claire being dead, just seems "off".


I agree. Claire seemed drugged almost and way too calm for someone who has no idea where her baby is and what's happening to him.

Seems like we also got a definite date for the Purge from Goodspeed during that dream. He said he'd been dead for 12 years, so that puts the purge at 1992.

I don't know...I could be wrong...but I don't think dead people need band-aids.:thumbsup: Totally!!

I kinda thought she was dead, too...but then I noticed she had a band-aid on her forehead. I don't know...I could be wrong...but I don't think dead people need band-aids.

Yes, other dead people who have appeared have been perfectly clean and groomed- like Charlie. I don't think this was Claire- . . . .or Christian for the the same reason. He's usually neat and dressed in a suit.

Seems like we also got a definite date for the Purge from Goodspeed during that dream. He said he'd been dead for 12 years, so that puts the purge at 1992.

True, but we kinda already knew this, due to the fact that Kelvin Inman was in Iraq during the first Gulf War working with Sayid, so that kinda helped get the date range a litlle more dialed in to early '90's...

Cardielost: Horace built a cabin, and after the DI was purged, Jacob, clearly a disembodied spirit, made it his headquarters for when he wanted to communicate with the living. Ben made the cabin stay put with the ring of ash, but somehow Locke did manage to set it loose.

I'm with you there, but I think a) either the ash line degraded because Ben wasn't able to get up there to keep it built up, because when they went up there before, Locke looked at the ash line and it was low to the ground-it had degraded, or b) whoever that eye was looking out of the hole at Hurley swept away the Ash line, or c) since Christian was able to pick up the baby, when that Voodoo that J do kicked in, he just walked Christian out there and swept the line of ash away, as it didn't keep Jacob prisoner, it kept the cabin grounded, and Jacob being incoporeal had no choice but to be a prisoner because his "construct" was grounded.

In the USA Today theory interview they did last week, CC & DL poo-poo'ed the idea that Ben was using the Circle of Ash to keep Jacob prisoner, but I'll submit that they were being "artful dodgers" on this one as the Circle of Ash was keeping the cabin prisoner, not Jacob, so they weren't lying. (I'm capitalizing Circle of Ash because in a funny aside, they did however grant the poster of that theory the right to use Circle of Ash as a band name)...

ALISON59: I agree. Claire seemed drugged almost and way too calm for someone who has no idea where her baby is and what's happening to him.

Or maybe Claire now knows that "only fools are enslaved by time and space", hmmmm? (<>..<>)

..Does anyone know if this is the first time someone on the show has called Dharma "the DI" like everyone on the internet does?

Cardie

From what I can remember, Cardie, this is the first time the show's referred to it as "the DI". Good catch!

Seems like we also got a definite date for the Purge from Goodspeed during that dream. He said he'd been dead for 12 years, so that puts the purge at 1992.

We had an idea that that was when it happened but this made it a little more concrete.

What I want to know is this: If Christian speaks for Jacob, who the F is Jacob?? We still don't know!!!
I don't know, but I've spent some time analyzing the audio from when Harper appeared to Juliette. There's enough stuff hidden in there to spend months figuring out how to extract it. But I could swear there was a voice in there saying "Jacob DeGroot". Just remember you heard it here first.:biggrin: "Richard" and an "Isaac" were also mentioned.

I wonder if Jacob is the son of Horace and his wife? That would make sense... except for the no births on the island...??

I almost don't think it was really her at all.

I agree we know smokie can manifest into people and this is what I thought because there was seemingly no concern over Aaron's well being from Claire at all.

Horace did say he was building a cabin for him and his lady or something like that but it was def for him. I agree with the earlier poster about Horace being someone else.

So then did Horace build the cabin that Jacob now uses? and perhaps a more important question, WHY was he building a cabin out in the forest in hostile territory??? Wouldn't that be a big no-no for a DHARMA-lite like himself???

Jacob's Cabin appears to shift its location around the Island, similar to how Locke is now tasked with shifting the Island's location in the on Earth. I hope the writers explain how both these events occur and do not chalk it up to supernatural activity!

In the USA Today theory interview they did last week, CC & DL poo-poo'ed the idea that Ben was using the Circle of Ash to keep Jacob prisoner, but I'll submit that they were being "artful dodgers" on this one as the Circle of Ash was keeping the cabin prisoner, not Jacob, so they weren't lying.
Ah, that makes a lot of sense. And it helps to explain why Ben suddenly lost access to the cabin. I mean, he said it was because they island didn't love him anymore, but his tumor started weeks (months?) ago, and he had been to the cabin since then.

So is Jacob now roaming freely about the island, which is why Christian was there to speak for him? I actually thought last night that Christian WAS Jacob, but he just had Christian's face for Claire's sake (which doesn't seem to make sense if she is dead, but whatever!). I mean, as someone pointed out, Christian's clothes were all wrong for him. He definitely looked more Jacobesque wearing that plaid shirt.

It was interesting how Christian started to say "Don't tell anyone about Claire yet"...

Perhaps Claire's implant has been activated.

Dead people don't need band aids.
But dead people have a tendency to maintain their last alive appearance. hence...the band aid.

Dead people don't need band aids.
But dead people have a tendency to maintain their last alive appearance. hence...the band aid.

Agreed, and spirits of people who have died violently, say when an RPG blows up your house, seem to be involved in alot of haunting stories, not saying, just saying...(<>..<>)

I agree we know smokie can manifest into people and this is what I thought because there was seemingly no concern over Aaron's well being from Claire at all.

I've been waiting for someone to post this. My son has been saying this too.

I guess it makes sense-- Yemi and Walt have been Smoky, so why not
Christian and Claire?

There was something weird about the way Christian responded to Locke's questions.

To me it almost seemed like Christian didn't know what Locke was talking about and was just playing along.

It reminded me of that scene in Ghostbusters where Sigourney Weaver's character stands seductively in the doorway of her apartment and asks Bill Murray's character "Are you the keymaster"? Bill at first answers "Huh? No" and gets the door slammed in his face. On the second try Bill says "Yep. Yes I am. Who are you"

Locke: "Are you Jacob?"
Christian: "No. I am Christian. But I speak on behalf of Jacob."

On the same Ghostbuster's type note (except kinda reversed), another possibility could be that Christian and Claire are somehow possessed. They certainly don't seem themselves. Claire doesn't care about Aaron at all? C'mon.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. And it helps to explain why Ben suddenly lost access to the cabin. I mean, he said it was because they island didn't love him anymore, but his tumor started weeks (months?) ago, and he had been to the cabin since then.

So is Jacob now roaming freely about the island, which is why Christian was there to speak for him? I actually thought last night that Christian WAS Jacob, but he just had Christian's face for Claire's sake (which doesn't seem to make sense if she is dead, but whatever!). I mean, as someone pointed out, Christian's clothes were all wrong for him. He definitely looked more Jacobesque wearing that plaid shirt.

Yep, Christian didn't have his white shoes on last night..........

I've been waiting for someone to post this. My son has been saying this too.

I guess it makes sense-- Yemi and Walt have been Smoky, so why not
Christian and Claire?

Can't agree with ya here yet, I still think the Whispers are using the apparitions for their purposes, and Smokey is his own self -contained unit. Now, get me a link between Smokey and the Whispers, because I don't know if there is one yet, and then we'll talk...(<>..<>)

I am posting before reading the thread (shame, shame). This thread is a must-read. Going to read now... ;)
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dealio...dead people don't need bandaids...you people are killing me. :biggrin: Going back to keep reading the thread...

There was something weird about the way Christian responded to Locke's questions.

To me it almost seemed like Christian didn't know what Locke was talking about and was just playing along.

It reminded me of that scene in Ghostbusters where Sigourney Weaver's character stands seductively in the doorway of her apartment and asks Bill Murray's character "Are you the keymaster"? Bill at first answers "Huh? No" and gets the door slammed in his face. On the second try Bill says "Yep. Yes I am. Who are you"

Locke: "Are you Jacob?"
Christian: "No. I am Christian. But I speak on behalf of Jacob."

On the same Ghostbuster's type note (except kinda reversed), another possibility could be that Christian and Claire are somehow possessed. They certainly don't seem themselves. Claire doesn't care about Aaron at all? C'mon.


Locke: Are you Jacob?
Christian: Not that I know of.
Locke: Are you Jacob?
Christian: Yes. Actually I'm a friend of his, he asked me to meet him here.

You guys want to know who Jacob is ????

He's the number 8 bunny. This is why Ben asked if the bunny Locke prepared had a number. :grin: I know, I know I'm a genius.

Just to clear one thing up. You all keep saying a "ring of ash". It's not ash. Anyone who watches that stupid Ghost Whisperer show or that other equally boring Ghost Hunter's on Sci Fi should know that's salt. If you want to keep a ghost out, in, or contained, you use salt. Ancient folklore says keep a handful of salt in your pocket to keep ghosts away.

Also I was told ghosts can appear in any form they so choose. This opens it wide up for the writers.

Island can move anywhere on the world

Cabin can move freely on the island.

Can Jacob move freely in the Cabin?

I think that Claire's in some kind of hypnotic state. I haven't figured out how Jacob got Christian body to inhabit. It does look like Jacob, in the guise of Horace, built the cabin. I was wondering if Horace's punishment from the Island for bringing Ben to It is that he is perpetually building the cabin or if this was just one way of getting John's attention since he was looking for the cabin.

hell is repitition

Island can move anywhere on the world

Cabin can move freely on the island.

Can Jacob move freely in the Cabin?


mystery solved!

I have to ask Did Horace build the cabin? Is Horace, Jacob? spoiler isn't really a spoiler it was stuff we saw in the episode relating to the cabin, just doing my part for the unspoiled.
i'm pretty sure he did, we see his plans for it and all, but it did bother me that he was chopping down all those small trees, then later we see the cabin is made of wide flat 2x6's, barn siding. so he was just clearing the site by chopping all those trees down. he's building it in a thicket of trees, but later it's in the wide open meadow? so it can move around?

agree that Clair is alive, but either possessed, drugged or otherwise 'not herself lately'. didn't she look kinda "puffy"? Maybe she is pregnant again?
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Yep, Christian didn't have his white shoes on last night..........
That's right! and Claire wasn't wearing her sparkly Ruby Slippers either!
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Christian's clothes were all wrong for him. He definitely looked more Jacobesque wearing that plaid shirt.

plaid shirt? i thought it was a solid color khaki shirt? i got to go look again i guess? when Hurley saw him in the cabin a few epi's ago, he was wearing his usual white shirt and tie.

I thought the shirt was gray-brown with black vertical stripes, but it was dark in that cabin.

Cardie

I think the cabin is more being used as a device for us to accept the thought of the Island being able to move around. If we accept that a cabin can transport itself around the island then the thought of an island transporting is a little easier to accept (Although still pretty hard to imagine).

My thoughts on the cabin is that it is a place where the dead can interact with the living. The dead have interacted with the living in other places but thats usually in dreams or in passing visions. The real interaction seems to happen in the cabin. Claire may just be on the edge of the world of the living and the dead.

I thought the shirt was gray-brown with black vertical stripes, but it was dark in that cabin.

Cardie

It definitely wasn't plaid, it's hard to tell with the strange lighting in there but it almost looks navy or black, and there is definitely white vertical stripes, some very thin, some a little larger.

And Claire did look like she was a little plumper, like she was bloated or something....My wife instantly said "she looks like she's gained weight".

i'm pretty sure he did, we see his plans for it and all, but it did bother me that he was chopping down all those small trees, then later we see the cabin is made of wide flat 2x6's, barn siding. so he was just clearing the site by chopping all those trees down. he's building it in a thicket of trees, but later it's in the wide open meadow? so it can move around?

agree that Clair is alive, but either possessed, drugged or otherwise 'not herself lately'. didn't she look kinda "puffy"? Maybe she is pregnant again?

I've got to agree about Claire, she certainly seemed drugged or something to me too. That could also explain why she wandered off with Christian so easily.



plaid shirt? i thought it was a solid color khaki shirt? i got to go look again i guess? when Hurley saw him in the cabin a few epi's ago, he was wearing his usual white shirt and tie.
I just checked on Lostpedia, and it looks like it's the grey/white stripped shirt he was wearing at the end of Something Nice Back Home. Here are pics so you can see for yourself: Something Nice Back Home (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Christian_and_Aaron.jpg), Cabin Fever (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:ChristianinJacob%27sCabin.jpg)

I wonder if Jacob is the son of Horace and his wife? That would make sense... except for the no births on the island...??


That is a big stretch. Jacob has to be older and even from the Black Rock or before it.

It definitely wasn't plaid, it's hard to tell with the strange lighting in there but it almost looks navy or black, and there is definitely white vertical stripes, some very thin, some a little larger.

And Claire did look like she was a little plumper, like she was bloated or something....My wife instantly said "she looks like she's gained weight".


When I mentioned that the actress looked pregnant to me (much earlier in the season, BTW)
my post was deleted by the moderators. To me that's got to be because there's truth to it.
Otherwise, why delete it? And now we are seeing others speculate the same thing...

mystery solved!

what mystery did I solve? :biggrin:

And Claire did look like she was a little plumper, like she was bloated or something....My wife instantly said "she looks like she's gained weight".That's because Emilie de Ravin has gained a little weight. It has nothing to do with Claire.

Did anyone notice that Jacob's cabin looks different on the outside? I was thinking that it had a porch in previous episodes, but maybe I'm wrong. Don't know if this means anything...any thoughts?

Just to clear one thing up. You all keep saying a "ring of ash". It's not ash. Anyone who watches that stupid Ghost Whisperer show or that other equally boring Ghost Hunter's on Sci Fi should know that's salt. If you want to keep a ghost out, in, or contained, you use salt. Ancient folklore says keep a handful of salt in your pocket to keep ghosts away.

Also I was told ghosts can appear in any form they so choose. This opens it wide up for the writers.

They mostly use sea salt, mostly...(<>..<>)

What i find odd is the fact, that we have seen the cabin on a map for the first time. This should provide permant access to it, does it? Otherwise the cabin was at it's genuine place just coincidentally or on purpose (of somewhat we don't know yet). Like it was on "other" places before, when Ben/Locke and Hurley "found" the cabin. Does the map "ground" the cabin now?

plaid shirt? i thought it was a solid color khaki shirt? i got to go look again i guess? when Hurley saw him in the cabin a few epi's ago, he was wearing his usual white shirt and tie.
Ha, it bugged me so much, i went back and checked. When we 1st see Christian, a shaft of light beams on him and washes out the color of his shirt, and it does look to be a solid beige/khaki color. Then as the camera comes closer to him, we can see that it is as others said, dark colored (I thought dark plum, or burgundy), with alternating white and black vertical stripes. Definitely a 'sports shirt' or casual Friday type shirt, but not a plaid per se. funny how the lighting makes all the difference?
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Did anyone notice that Jacob's cabin looks different on the outside? I was thinking that it had a porch in previous episodes, but maybe I'm wrong. Don't know if this means anything...any thoughts?

yes, it did, but i also remember that when Locke and Ben left it before it was looking like this time also, I think we see just the back door this time, so to speak.

p.s. on second look of Claire; her 'puffy' look could be just from the position she was sitting in, slumped with her head resting back in the chair. made her look like she had a dbl. chin. the look she has at the very end is what's really creepy. I can see how some think she is dead and is really Jacob. I still think she is possessed or drugged.

When I mentioned that the actress looked pregnant to me (much earlier in the season, BTW)
my post was deleted by the moderators. To me that's got to be because there's truth to it.
Otherwise, why delete it? And now we are seeing others speculate the same thing...

Probably just deleted because speculating on the personal lives of the VIPs is not allowed on this board, regardless of it being fact or gossip.



p.s. on second look of Claire; her 'puffy' look could be just from the position she was sitting in, slumped with her head resting back in the chair. made her look like she had a dbl. chin. the look she has at the very end is what's really creepy. I can see how some think she is dead and is really Jacob. I still think she is possessed or drugged.

Yeah I also think it is because she is slouching and all relaxed. But, yes, she's not as skinny this season. That's just a fact.

Yeah I also think it is because she is slouching and all relaxed. But, yes, she's not as skinny this season. That's just a fact.
Careful! Can't use the "F--" word to describe a lady! :rolleyes:
Walt came back as "Taller Ghost Walt".
Maybe Claire came back as "Bigger Boobs Booo Claire", lol

Not only were Christian's clothes different from what we've seen him where before, either on the Island or off, his hair is also different, it looks tussled, as if he was in a windstorm, whereas he usually combs it back.

I've checked Lostpedia also for all the previous shirts Christian has been wearing, and he's never worn one like he did in the cabin (except in SNBH when he picked up Aaron, his clothes and hair were the same as in the cabin). The shirt he was wearing when he met Ana Lucia at the airport was the same style and blue, just not as dark as the one in the cabin.

Not only were Christian's clothes different from what we've seen him where before, either on the Island or off, his hair is also different, it looks tussled, as if he was in a windstorm, whereas he usually combs it back.

I've checked Lostpedia also for all the previous shirts Christian has been wearing, and he's never worn one like he did in the cabin (except in SNBH when he picked up Aaron, his clothes and hair were the same as in the cabin). The shirt he was wearing when he met Ana Lucia at the airport was the same style and blue, just not as dark as the one in the cabin.

That was "evil" Christian!
"Good" Christian wears his white tennies!!!! :D

That was "evil" Christian!
"Good" Christian wears his white tennies!!!! :D

Yeah addie, it does appear that there are 2 different "Christians". Jack AND Vincent have seen the white shoed Christian, and now Claire(?) and Locke have seen the hiking boot Christian.

That was "evil" Christian!
"Good" Christian wears his white tennies!!!! :D

Ya know that's actually not so crazy an idea. If, as I surmise, there are two separate forces at work on the Island, then it would make sense that both of them could potentially assume the guise of Christian (or anyone really).

That was "evil" Christian!
Can't be: no goatee.

Well perhaps when Ben was chosen, the Cabin remained in one place (where he took John to see it). Now that Locke is chosen, Locke had to find the means (in his case, Horace's map, which is intriguing bc Horace represented the DI and Science, the things young John hated/avoided. In the end, a map is just a means to an end, a direction.) to find the end (the cabin for him). He used that map, found its new location, and now it won't move till the next chosen one (and Johnny L is tossed to the curb, or wherever you toss people on an Island).

Makes me wonder how Ben first found it (IE, what was his means? Did he get a map? Did he follow a pillar of smoke or something random? Is ben also a man of science denying what he's naturally good at to be something greater like John did??)

Either way, I'd also like to note that someone pointed out Claire w/a bandaid was just cuz ghosts 'tend to appear the way they were just before they died'. But, that bandaid was applied POST explosion, if i'm correct. I don't htink she is dead... but I do think that the Christian here is lying (I mean he just said he speaks for Big J, no real evidence beyond his word there...)

Ya know that's actually not so crazy an idea. If, as I surmise, there are two separate forces at work on the Island, then it would make sense that both of them could potentially assume the guise of Christian (or anyone really).

And I also think "Claire" in the cabin is an "evil force" be it bad Smokey or like you said the evil force on the Island. I'm with you...there are two opposing forces at work on the Island...Duality is the primary theme in LOST,imo.
"Good Claire" the one who needs to raise Aaron is being kept safe somewhere....maybe at the Temple.

Horace=Horus,.... Egyptian god, son of Osiris and Isis.
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Horace=Horus, egyptian god

That was "evil" Christian!
"Good" Christian wears his white tennies!!!! :D
If that's the bad one, why does he want to move the island to save their lives?
maybe it's the other way around.
I mean... the white shoed one never lets Jack talk to him. EVIL!

Anyways, Apparently what we should be asking about Claire isn't
Is she Dead? But 'What happened to her?'
I'm hoping it means she is alive because i hated the idea that she died when her house exploded and then she was just a ghost traversing with the others.

As for the white ash or sea salt, my personal theory is that it is holmium. Months ago, there was talk about the Ho-Ho-Ho occurance in the first O6 FF. This got me (and others) looking into Ho. This of course is the chemical symbol for Holmium. Holmium is white in its pure form, so it's a possibility.

Holmium is extremly rare, however, so perhaps this explains part of the reason why the island is so valuable to Widmore - rare elements.

Holmium has extremly magnetic properties, which ties into the electromagnetic properties of the island. Perhaps it acts as a catalyst for the transportative properties of the cabin, or the island.

Holmium is also dangerous, and I think radioactive, in pure form. Perhaps this is how it wards people away or keeps 'people' in.

This of course is the chemical symbol for Holmium. Holmium is white in its pure form, so it's a possibility.

Holmium is extremly rare, however, so perhaps this explains part of the reason why the island is so valuable to Widmore - rare elements.

Holmium has extremly magnetic properties, which ties into the electromagnetic properties of the island. Perhaps it acts as a catalyst for the transportative properties of the cabin, or the island.

Holmium is also dangerous, and I think radioactive, in pure form. Perhaps this is how it wards people away or keeps 'people' in.


Wow, thanks for this great insight! I would be extremely impressed with TPTB if it turns out that Holmium is the same dust that surrounded Jacob's cabin or was in John's jar.

Claire acted very much like she did when she was kidnapped by Ethan, I think she was drugged then, and I think it's the same case now.

Good insights in this thread. I would agree with the idea that the ring of "x" around the cabin is what kept it in place, thus keeping Jacob in place. Once Locke disrupted the ring on his initial visit there with Ben, it could move, meaning Jacob could move. The "map" to the Cabin could just be a mechanism provided for the "Island" to evaluate Locke and his worthiness. Once Locke arrived at the Cabin, Jacob wasn't there, or more to the point, CS and "Claire" were there, possibly indicating that Jacob was gone. Or, perhaps "Jacob" took the guise of CS? Jacob could be playing the same type of game with Locke that Ben did. Pretend to be someone else when you're the one that's the chief power broker.

Thats an awful lot of quotes ranger;)
I really think Claire was Claire, Christian was Christian and that in the end Jacob will prove to be Jacob. Interesting point about Locke alowing the cabin to move by disrupting the ring of "X" great now you got me doing it.

Has it been confirmed, explicitly on camera, that Christian is dead. When Jack went to Australia to claim his father, did he look at the dead body and confirm is was Christian? If not, its possible that an empty coffin was loaded onto the plane and Christian may be alive.

Has it been confirmed, explicitly on camera, that Christian is dead. When Jack went to Australia to claim his father, did he look at the dead body and confirm is was Christian? If not, its possible that an empty coffin was loaded onto the plane and Christian may be alive.

[FLASHBACK]

[Shot of Jack and a medical examiner walking down a hall in some kind of medical building (morgue).]

MEDICAL EXAMINER: The police found him in an alley in Queens Cross. Now, a tox screen showed a blood alcohol content, which for a man of his size, probably brought on myocardial infarction - a sizable, and fatal heat-attack.

[They go into a room with a body bag on a gurney. The Medical Examiner unzips it. His father is there.]

JACK [crying]: That's him.

[Shot of Jack in the jungle, crying. We hear the sound of ice in a glass, and a branch breaking or moving. Jack grabs a log out of the fire to use as a torch and follows. He comes upon the caves and water. He sees a doll in the water which he picks up. There are a bunch of dolls scattered on the ground from a box. There is other debris there from a section of a plane. He finds a coffin.]

[FLASHBACK]

[We see Jack at a counter at the Sydney airport.]

JACK: What do you mean you won't put it on the plane?

AGENT: I'm sorry Mr. Shephard, but our policy is that the body must have the proper documentation. There's just no latitude.

JACK: No latitude? No latitude?

AGENT: Without the proper documents. . .

JACK: Look, you can't do this to me. I'm ready to go now.

AGENT: Perhaps another carrier. . .

JACK: No!

[Shot of Jin in line looking over at Jack's outburst.]

JACK: I want you to listen to me, okay. Because I'm asking you a favor, Chrissy. I'm standing in front of you in the same suit that I'm wearing to my father's funeral and I'm asking you a favor. In 16 hours I need to land at LAX, and I need that coffin to clear customs because there's going to be a hearse waiting there. And I need that hearse to take me and that coffin to a cemetery. Why? Why, Chrissy, can't I just bring him to a funeral home and make all the arrangements? Why can't I really take my time with it? Because I need it to be done. I need it to be over. I just -- I need to bury my father.

[Shot of Jack at caves looking at the coffin. He opens it and there's no body inside. He gets angry and beats it with a metal pipe.]

Of course, everyone thought Niki & Paulo were dead too... :shrug: