This has to the be the first time this season that we have seen this many others in one place. To be honest I would rather be with them then anywhere else right now. Does this mean that Sayid and Kate are going to see the Temple.

I hope so. I have no idea where they are going, though, or if Richard is working in some way with Ben. I don't understand how the O6 are all going to end up in the same place together.

I don't understand how the O6 are all going to end up in the same place together.

The chopper

I got a kick out of Ben's comment to Hurley about the 15 year old crackers. Cracker stash from the gassing of Dharma? Would that date them at 1990?

D/

It felt like Dejavu, seeing Richard and all his people appear in the jungle like that. I agree that they are the ones who I would probably want to be with at the moment ;)

Took me back to the first season. The Others are sure a rough-looking crew. Glad to know a little better at this point who they might be (and who they definitely are not). This epi rocked!

I just hope they kick Keamy & Co's azz!!

They have to be part of Ben's "I always have a plan"... can't wait!!

Why would they be kicking around in their dirty clothes?
Why do they want kate and Sayid, they could have easily just shot both of them why didn't they?
Where are they all going?

Apart from the introduction, this was the best part about this episode.

Anyone else love how the Others were dressed in their dirty season 2 gear? Vintage Others. :) The Others are the wild card. I wonder if Keamy forgot about them, or if he even knows about them. They will play a huge role in the 2nd part of the finale.

Think of how far we've come. The Others appear and we're cheering.

Exactly. Gotta love Darlton, they didn't give us the best show of all time for no reason :D

Think of how far we've come. The Others appear and we're cheering.

:)

I recall a certain "We're the good guys, Michael." haha

I thought it was interesting that the Other's with Richard were back in the clothes we saw them in the beginning of S2 when they were taking the kids from the Tailies. What happen to the nice clothes they were wearing in Otherville? And are these the Other's we know from Otherville or are they the Hostiles from when DHARMA was there? So does that mean these are Richard's people who might be really old?

But here's the thing about The Others... I mean... MAN! They are a mysterious, creepy, almost completely ominous group. THIS, tonight, is what I think when I think about The Others. But that begs the question... If they're the real natives, and Ben was a DI'er, and Juliet was brought to the island... Then what was Mr. Friendly? I mean, he's the opposite of The Others yet was one of them. Ben and Juliet were also the opposite, as was Goodwin, Ethan, and whom else? "These" Others seem to be so much different than those that we've come to know, but not just because they're "redshirt" Others. Their silence, their group dynamics... it's just creepy (and BADASS) on a whole new level... It's as if their really in charge (and have been, even during the DI-occupying years) and Ben is just the spokesman... Anyone else get that feeling?

i definitely get the feeling that these others we saw now minus the extraneous people we have gotten to know, are the real deal. The real inhabitants of the island, and they are the ones I would want to be with on this island at the point. The fact that they put on their "other" garments signals that they mean business, w.e they are going on to do.

Does this mean that Sayid and Kate are going to see the Temple.

Yeah, we're not that lucky.

It is good to see the others though, since they dropped off for the whole season. they are taking kate and sayid to the orchid...i see a huge convergence of them and jack /sawyer meeting at the orchid.

man there were a ton of them
looked pretty formidable
awesome

But here's the thing about The Others... I mean... MAN! They are a mysterious, creepy, almost completely ominous group. THIS, tonight, is what I think when I think about The Others. But that begs the question... If they're the real natives, and Ben was a DI'er, and Juliet was brought to the island... Then what was Mr. Friendly? I mean, he's the opposite of The Others yet was one of them. Ben and Juliet were also the opposite, as was Goodwin, Ethan, and whom else? "These" Others seem to be so much different than those that we've come to know, but not just because they're "redshirt" Others. Their silence, their group dynamics... it's just creepy (and BADASS) on a whole new level... It's as if their really in charge (and have been, even during the DI-occupying years) and Ben is just the spokesman... Anyone else get that feeling?

I think the natives/hostiles including Alpert expected Ben to abandon DI and Othersville after the purge. Instead Ben tried to convince the natives to integrate the DI "improvements" upon the island into their lives. This created a fraction within the group but not an ultimate split. Some went with Ben and lived in Othersville while others remained in the forest being creepy. I think the two fractions still work together as a whole, some just chose a different lifestyle.

I just want to know where the kids are!

I think that all of these others are dead people. We know that Tom cannot die, and Richard never ages. I think these are all dead people that have somehow materialized on the island. When the two little children from the back of the plane were captured by the others, I had a feeling then that in fact they had died, and we were seeing their spirits being captured by the others. I think the same happened with Claire when she just walked off. And how many times did the russian guy die?

I was not cheering. The others have a really bad habit of using the survivors for their own ends. They certainly have no interest in helping them.

Obviously, I knew they were not going to kill Sayid and Kate, but I was not cheering for a second. These folks are far more dangerous than Keamy's group because we have no idea what they want.

I was not cheering. The others have a really bad habit of using the survivors for their own ends. They certainly have no interest in helping them.

Obviously, I knew they were not going to kill Sayid and Kate, but I was not cheering for a second. These folks are far more dangerous than Keamy's group because we have no idea what they want.

You damn right!

Now Richard is a dead man for messing with Kate!:mad:

They have to be part of Ben's "I always have a plan"... can't wait!!

I agree with that, I think Ben is bringing in his backup to fight off Keamy's soldiers.

At any rate, it was cool seeing some of the Others again. :)

If I ever saw Richard after this again; I'm going to want to punch him in the face!:mad:

Why would they be kicking around in their dirty clothes?
Why do they want kate and Sayid, they could have easily just shot both of them why didn't they?
Where are they all going?

Why WOULD they shoot Kate and Sayid? I think for the most part the "Others" are peaceful people. I think they are headed to the Orchid.....that's Ben's plan.

Why WOULD they shoot Kate and Sayid? I think for the most part the "Others" are peaceful people. I think they are headed to the Orchid.....that's Ben's plan.

I call that :badwords:; :badwords:; and :badwords:!

I think that all of these others are dead people. We know that Tom cannot die, and Richard never ages. I think these are all dead people that have somehow materialized on the island. When the two little children from the back of the plane were captured by the others, I had a feeling then that in fact they had died, and we were seeing their spirits being captured by the others. I think the same happened with Claire when she just walked off. And how many times did the russian guy die?
Tom was killed on the beach by Sawyer after Hurley ran the Dharma van into his crew and saved Sawyer, Bernard and Jin. (Through the Looking Glass)

Think of how far we've come. The Others appear and we're cheering.

Hehe. So funny and so true. One of the many scenes I cheered tonight.

The best thing that could ever happen is if they go walking into Keamy's camp and Keamy's men open fire - but their guns jam or the bullets bounce off of the hostiles just like Tom had been saying to Michael about the island not letting him die! Then they turn the tables on the mercenaries.

You damn right!

Now Richard is a dead man for messing with Kate!:mad:

Oh come on! Kate is going to survive anyway. And why do some assume that Richard and the Others are going to hurt Kate and Sayid?

I hope so. I have no idea where they are going, though, or if Richard is working in some way with Ben. I don't understand how the O6 are all going to end up in the same place together.

Me and the peeps I was watching with were talking about this too.... The O6 are currently spread all over the Island... there are so many small groups of people running all over the place.... how are they all going to end up at the same place at the same time within the next 2 hours?
100%
Think of how far we've come. The Others appear and we're cheering.

Ha! You aren't kidding... :)
100%
I was not cheering. The others have a really bad habit of using the survivors for their own ends. They certainly have no interest in helping them.

Obviously, I knew they were not going to kill Sayid and Kate, but I was not cheering for a second. These folks are far more dangerous than Keamy's group because we have no idea what they want.

I could not disagree more.

Yeah, we know what Keamy's group is after, and we also know that they will do whatever it takes to accomplish their mission, with total disregard for human life. Keamy will kill someone and not even bat an eye.

The Others, on the other hand... We don't know what they want, but they don't just flippantly kill people for no reason.

The Losties are still alive... are they not? If The Others were operating according to Keamy's ethics, the Losties would have all been dead a long time ago. Remember what Tom said to Jack in Season 2, "This is our Island. You live on it because we let you."

Man, I was totally glad to see Richard.

I'm sorry but he is something nice to look at, which I think should have been the title of this episode.. Something Nice to Look At. ;).

I can't wait to see what the others' plans are :)

Perhaps our Left Behind Losties will find refuge with the Others...

I am encouraged by this scene, because I had figured that the Losties and the Others would be fighting together against a common enemy at some point, and this seems to be it. However, I thought it would be more than just two Losties fighting alongside the others in the showdown. Maybe TNPLH P2 will provide more info.

I agree with that, I think Ben is bringing in his backup to fight off Keamy's soldiers.

At any rate, it was cool seeing some of the Others again. :)

When Ben was using the mirror to communicate, I immediately thought of the beacon scene in Return of the King. Yeah, I'm a geek. Sue me. I just imagine one of the Others running to the Temple, busting down the door to see Alpert discussing what to do next with his closest aides while the messenger screams "THE BEACONS ARE LIT!"

In a nut shell, I think Ben was signaling for backup.

I think the natives/hostiles including Alpert expected Ben to abandon DI and Othersville after the purge. Instead Ben tried to convince the natives to integrate the DI "improvements" upon the island into their lives. This created a fraction within the group but not an ultimate split. Some went with Ben and lived in Othersville while others remained in the forest being creepy. I think the two fractions still work together as a whole, some just chose a different lifestyle.

Yeh, I can totally see there being two different factions - one that's dead and actually in charge and another that's comprised of mere mortals. LOL It's really cool to see this other faction again... I may have started thinking that we were gypped from the get-go...

The best thing that could ever happen is if they go walking into Keamy's camp and Keamy's men open fire - but their guns jam or the bullets bounce off of the hostiles just like Tom had been saying to Michael about the island not letting him die! Then they turn the tables on the mercenaries.

That would be pretty sweet...! :biggrin: I would LOVE to see the look on Keamy & Crew's faces while the horror sinks in!

Man, Keamy's team had no idea what they were getting into when they decided to step into that island...

You damn right!

Now Richard is a dead man for messing with Kate!:mad:

Dude get a "real" girlfriend!


Glad The Other's are back finally. The new War is beginning,
The Other's vs The Mercenaries!

I think they are on their way to rescue ben. They have more guns so should win.

I don't think the LeftBehinds and the Others will be come life long friends and family, but it is nice to see them working together against a common enemy. And it's always great to see Richard... Nestor is amazingly good, if really, really creepy!

The others and the losties will never fight side by side. They took the guns away from Sayid and Kate and took them captive. They haven't rescued anyone, and will never rescue anyone. My feeling is they are going to send the 06 back with the lie, and tell them "If you choose to do anything other than what we tell you to do, we will kill all the rest of them." I don't think we're seeing any team ups here.

I don't think the mercs will be much of a match for the others in open combat, no. Though they do have lots of explosives, and obviously have some knowledge of the island.

But the others DO kill people, and they manipulate people into killing for them, and they kill their own for nefarious purposes too.

I'm just not so ready to stand up and cheer for the others.

I loved the return of The Others too, I've missed them this season!

They are definetly a force to be reckoned with. My guess is that they're on their way to the Orchid too, to help Ben and/or get the message Jacob gave to Locke.

I was happy to see them too, though I don't exactly trust them with Kate and Sayid. Then again, Kate and Sayid make it out just fine, so maybe there's nothing to worry about it.

Mostly, I was psyched to see Richard again on the island, as well as see their tattered wardrobe. I always wanted an explanation for those clothes, and maybe we are soon to learn why they dress that way. Certainly, there is about to be a lot of violence between them and Keamy's crew.

I think they are on their way to rescue ben. They have more guns so should win.
If they are there to rescue anyone it would be Locke - Jacob's chosen.

I loved seeing the others, but please give them more to do next season!

I thought it was interesting that the Other's with Richard were back in the clothes we saw them in the beginning of S2 when they were taking the kids from the Tailies. What happen to the nice clothes they were wearing in Otherville? And are these the Other's we know from Otherville or are they the Hostiles from when DHARMA was there? So does that mean these are Richard's people who might be really old?

I agree with Trixired's musings. The first thing I thought was that these were Richard's original people, referred to as "The Hostiles" -- the original inhabitants of the island. Ben's Others dressed up in ragged clothes during S2 so that they could blend in and not be hassled by the Hostiles, which still were around after the Dharma purge. (my theory)

I think the Other-Others :eek2: are at The Temple. Richard's group marched out of the forest from "nowhere" (no time?) as if they were amassed and waiting. I think "the Hostiles" are not hostile at all. They were just protecting "their island" after they got there like everyone else after them has been doing. I believe that Richard made a pact with Ben with regards to protecting the island.

I agree that Richard and the Others will impart some knowledge and/or threat to Sayid and Kate and send them on their way.

Interesting to see so many had survived.

It was Richard who made them seem so much more formidable and badass than ever before. He's so charismatic. Best guest star Lost has ever had!

Well I was psyched to see them from a plot point of view, and they have DEFINITELY been MIA for way too long, but hey-they aren't friendly, nor are they good people! These are the guys that locked up our heroes in cages! I wouldn't trust them as far as I can spit at them.

Let's try not to forget that these "Others" you all want to go sing songs and do trust falls with are the same people that hanged Charlie for dead, kidnapped Claire with plans to kill her after the birth, blew up the raft, shot Sawyer, kidnapped Walt, locked our heroes in cages, killed Steve (or Scott?) and terrorized the tail section of the plane.

I get that Darlton are trying to make them look like the good guys now, and maybe they appear nicer lately, but only compared to Keamy. It's ain't foolin' me.


EDIT: Wamsies! I was 2 minutes behind you! Snap!

Kate and Sayid will be the first taught the tricks of the trade?

I got a kick out of Ben's comment to Hurley about the 15 year old crackers. Cracker stash from the gassing of Dharma? Would that date them at 1990?

D/
this makes me think people how long was Daniellethe island 16 years think about it could Ben have gone to The Orchid back then to!

Kyle! great minds think alike! :D

I got a kick out of Ben's comment to Hurley about the 15 year old crackers. Cracker stash from the gassing of Dharma? Would that date them at 1990?

D/

I thought this was a big clue actually. So the last time Ben needed to use the Orchid in this way was 15 years ago?Or at least that's when the Dharma "just in case" kit was packed. The purge was 12 years ago according to Dream Horace. I can't wait to find out what funky stuff has been going on in there.

Who is up there on that mountain receiving Ben's mirrored communications? The Others, the ones that aren't playing gunny ring -around-the-rosey with Kate?

I think this might be the station that controls the weather on the lsland as well, beyond the island moving capacities it also seems to have.

Hmm..

I think they are going to the orchid. Richard will trade Sayid and Kate back for Ben(or they will say they will kill Sayid and Kate if they don't get Ben back).

I thought it was interesting that the Other's with Richard were back in the clothes we saw them in the beginning of S2 when they were taking the kids from the Tailies. What happen to the nice clothes they were wearing in Otherville? And are these the Other's we know from Otherville or are they the Hostiles from when DHARMA was there? So does that mean these are Richard's people who might be really old?

The Others represent the political philosophy of primitive anarchy and highlights man returning to nature, thus espousing Jean Jacque Rousseau's fundamental axiom that Man is by nature good, and it is civilization that has a corrupting effect. Therefore civilization must be abandonned. Also, the moniker, the Others, is a shout out to Heidegger and the idea of Das Man.

fact: Heidegger's method for understanding Being is called the Hermeneutic Circle. The Circle was the original title of lost. Faith, Destiny, and free will are themes in Being and Time, and are major motifs of the show.

I'll bet you my sheep that we'll see a character reading Heidegger's Being and Time by the series finale--hopefully the very last episode of the series.

Richard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else! lol

PerhapsTPTB have shown many folks following Richard so the finale can have a larger body count of red shirts during the presumed upcoming conflict with Keamy & co.

I hope none of Richards friends are carrying logs.....

I love The Others like no otherrr

Kate seemed completely creeped out by Richard. I think it's safe to say that she never saw him while she was in captivity. Other than Locke I don't think any of the Losties have seen him before.

I think Ben sent them to collect Kate and Sayid for some purpose. It wasn't just a random encounter. And pretty cool that they're capable of locating someone really quickly when they want to.

:)

I recall a certain "We're the good guys, Michael." haha

That may be true but I cant help but think that things may not be so bad now if they hadn't acted like such evil weirdo's in the first 2 series. I think we've still only got a fraction of the big picture.

Think of how far we've come. The Others appear and we're cheering.

LMAO!

I know, that is funny but so true.

The fact that The Others are now our heroes shows how skillful the writers are. Who'd have thought when Tom took Walt that we would call upon them to save the losties from an even bigger danger.