In this episode, we are shown a broader view of the hatch, and it has been dug up quite a bit!
Is it just me, or does it kind of look like part of a space shuttle? There's no visible damage to the shell, which could mean it's not something that crash landed there, but instead was buried on the site!

I used some screen captures to get an idea of what the entire object looks like, and I've constructed a crude 3D model of what I could see. This picture kind of assumes that the object is symmetrical, since we are not shown all sides. But it should allow for a little discussion on exactly what kind of object this might be.

[ Screen captures ]
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/adrenaline001/bscap335.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/adrenaline001/bscap334.jpg

[ 3d model ]
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/adrenaline001/hatch-render01.jpg

Some questions to think about:

If it crash landed, why is there no visible damage?
How much bigger is the object than what we can already see?
If it did NOT crash land there, how were those materials obtained to build it? Was it imported?
Why would anyone import an object like that and bury it on a remote island?

Prolly cause its not from this planet ....

Oh yeah, I forgot an important question:

If there's light coming from within the hatch, are we to assume it's getting electricity somehow?? I'm a big believer in logic, so I'm sticking with that for now. But the island seems to have a lot of magical properties, so it could be explained by some supernatural force within the capsule.

I've updated the model based on the glimpse we get in the last ten seconds of "Numbers" to include the inscription on the side.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/adrenaline001/hatch-render03.jpg

Oh, and if you got ideas on where the hatch came from (another planet, etc), perhaps you could tell us why you think that way! This is, after all... a discussion board.

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Lisibee: Like you, I thought it was under something, or on a different part.... but the sequence in which they revealed the numbers to us was VERY dark, so I had to go back and look at it. Here's a screen cap, I tried to enhance it:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/adrenaline001/bscap348.jpg

Wow, great 3-D model!* Okay, so here's my question:* don't I remember that the numbers on the hatch/pod-thing were under an overhang, on the side of the pod?* I thought they were on some sort of smooth panel, and this looks like it has ridged sides.* Maybe they're on the side away from the camera, but I don't know....* Color me confused, which is how I've been for most of this season!* *:-\

ETA: Okay, I see where you put them on the narrow side, but I still thought it was under an overhang, like there was a lip of some kind. I do have to go back and re-watch that part, tho. Great job on the model!

Good work! thanks for the view. It's a puzzle, that's for sure. Facinating.

Nice 3D model first off.

Considering the "serial number" as I like to call it, and the material which appears to be steel (and unbreakable) I would guess this is a military bunker of some sort and it's from our world.* It could be there for the sake of whenever a huge nuclear war strikes, it is a "safe spot" or it could of been built say back during WWII or so.* It definitely looks like a military object though, not something from another planet.*

This island could always be like some sort of "Area 51" where they do god knows what there, genetic engineering, manipulation, something is definitely going on considering there was a POLAR BEAR on the TROPICAL ISLAND. And then there is our friend "the monster" who could be anything from a mutated animal to a machine....I think the government is behind this island, but then again, I just love conspiracy theories.

Thanks everyone for the compliments on the model... it's just something I love to do.

BurningStar4: I didn't even think about a military bunker, it makes sense that some country's government would want to establish a safe base in a remote area in case of global disaster, or the need to hideout. (Perhaps Osama is in there!!! ok, that was dumb)

It's such a strange shape for a bunker though! Unless of course, it's much larger than what we can see, and perhaps the cylindrical part is only a vertical access shaft leading down into an underground base!

One thing I noticed too, when the light came on inside- It didn't flicker on, or instantly light up.... it faded in! More like something inside was glowing or eminating light, rather than something electrical.

I thought the same thing about the light, it didn't just flicker on like a regular light would, it was like one of those light switches that is a dial and you turn it to gradually increase the light, but that was some bright light too, I can't even begin to imagine what is in that thing lol. And I agree, there has to be some sort of ladder leading up to that door....and I'm sure it is much bigger underneath what we can't see, but who knows....it could just be a tiny circle room?

The Hatch is too thin, to be any kind of room, lab etc.

It looks like it would hold a ladder attached to its insides. What do they call them in sci fi shows - Jeffrey tubes?? Leading to all the answers, I hope.

OMG It's a giant humidifier!!

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Sorry...but seriously, I'm guessing it's much larger than what we can see...and I'm guessing the voice on the other end of Boone's radio transmission came from inside. Maybe the cable Sayid found goes there too...hence the light. But good catch on the slowly-brightening light source...almost made me think of the suitcase shots in Pulp Fiction! Could it be another mystical sighting by Locke, like when he saw the monster?

It kind of looks like a giant bathysphere, but with a square hatch instead of round. That would explain the fact that it does not need an external door handle.

Looks like a jacuzzi for the wealthy! :lol2: With a lid to sterilize all germs overnight!

Nice 3D model first off.



This island could always be like some sort of "Area 51" where they do god knows what there, genetic engineering, manipulation, something is definitely going on considering there was a POLAR BEAR on the TROPICAL ISLAND.* .


Here's where i get a little fuzzy.... weren't there 2 polar bears? I mean... Sawyer pretty much dropped the first one with the gun.. it was out flat and not moving.... but then there was another one attacking Walt and Michael later.. hmm odd...
well this probably should have been posted elsewhere.. sorry..

"OMG It's a giant humidifier!!"


:D I was thinking the exact same thing....Looking back at the pictures though, It looks like a big air conditioning unit.

Great job on the 3-D!

I have no idea what it is. I think it is an entrance to an underground shelter or tunnels.

Here's where i get a little fuzzy.... weren't there 2 polar bears?


Yep, if you remember when Episode 9 (Solitary) Hurley, Jack and Charlie were standing around the golf course...
Hurley: Dudes, we're lost on an island! Runnin from boars... monsters... freakin polar bears!
Michael: Polar Bears?
Charlie: Yeah you didn't hear about the polar bear?

Then in episode 14 (Special), Michael and Locke save Walt from a (rather large) polar bear attack.

Whatever it is the ladders can't be attached to the side, because the door is in the middle. So the ladder is in the middle.

I think the actual "room" is probably deeper the the circular hatch we see, It's probably like a silo (for lack of a better word)

i have an idea!!!

maybe the cords sayid found/followed went to the hatch, and danielle rousseau was somehow stealing power from the hatch???!?!!?

As soon as I saw the excavated structure, I don't know why, but I thought that it was the bathroom for the underground tunnel system.

I think the placement of the numbers is slightly off on your 3d model compared to what we see at the end of numbers. At the end of numbers it pans forward and you see the numbers come to light. I have merged these screenshots and lightened it up a bit to see some more detail.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/tony43221/numbers700.jpg

The numbers are on the same side of the hatch as the window and opposite the hinge. At first I thought they were imprinted on a vertical surface as well, but if you look close you can see that they are really on the top part of the hatch. I modified your 3-d model to show the placement as it looks to me. Great job on the 3-d model by the way.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/tony43221/hatch-render01.jpg

What do you think?

Nice work, Tony.

That looks like the right placement to me.

This entire thread is very impressive to me.

Great model !

Since they excavated so much, I wonder why they neglected to dig out the other side?

There could be a door there. One with a knob! :o

I'm surprised Locke didn't see the numbers and say something.....that would of been interesting to see. But Tony, nice work placing the numbers, that looks like the right spot to me.

I'm surprised Locke didn't see the numbers and say something.....that would of been interesting to see.* But Tony, nice work placing the numbers, that looks like the right spot to me.


Neither Locke nor Boone has shown much interest in Danielle's papers and hurley hasn't told anyone his lottery numbers, so even if they noticed the numbers on the hatch, they would have no reason to connect them to anything. As far as we know anyway.

I know they wouldn't have any reason to connect them with Hurley. But I would of just liked to of seen it mentioned...like Locke saying "look there are numbers here, I wonder why?"

what lottery numbers ???

I know they wouldn't have any reason to connect them with Hurley.* But I would of just liked to of seen it mentioned...like Locke saying "look there are numbers here, I wonder why?"*


True. Maybe they did, but it's on a cutting room floor in Hawaii. *;D

what lottery numbers


GO TO the NUMBERS episode and READ -- an AWESOME episode!!!!!!!!!!!

what lottery numbers ???



In the "Numbers" episode (Hurley's backstory) he won the lottery with the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 and those numbers were being broadcasted from the radio tower on the island which brought Danielle here, and Hurley believed the numbers were cursed because they hurt all the people around him. *Then at the end of the episode, we saw those numbers scribed on top of the hatch, almost like a serial number.


True. Maybe they did, but it's on a cutting room floor in Hawaii. *;D


That'd be cool if it was a deleted scene on the DVD :)

The numbers are on the same side of the hatch as the window and opposite the hinge. At first I thought they were imprinted on a vertical surface as well, but if you look close you can see that they are really on the top part of the hatch.


Why, I believe you're right! Nice catch. I'd update the model, but you did a great job photoshopping it in there!

And yeah, I also find it odd that neither Locke or Boone noticed the numbers... unless they just disreguarded it as something they couldn't figure out without some form of reference. Neither of them have seen the numbers the French chick wrote down, and no one remembers winning lottery numbers except the people that used them. They either have not noticed the numbers, or just assume it's some kind of model number.

But most serial numbers or identifying codes are written in a specific, straight-forward manner.... like all the numbers are uniformly spaced and have some kind of prefix or suffix, like: HP12506578. These numbers are kind of crooked and uneven! Locke is smart enough (especially given his background in sales) to recognize that number to be different than a standard serial code or model number.

So is the hatch the very source of the numbers that is bringing people from all parts of the world and leaving them stranded on the island? Or is there something else..... maybe the numbers on the hatch are representing something else, perhaps the person/people/creature that created the hatch?

Too much to speculate about with only two more episodes remaining!

I thought it looked like a big aspirin bottle. :D

i guess thatd be everyones remedy- aspirin.. locke knows its in there thats why hes trying so damn hard.. lol
thanks burningstar... i forgot about that episode ;)

I can't resist any longer

I thought it looked like a George Foreman Grill :lol2:

i wonder how many of us actually pay attention to numbers scribbled on uncanny things

well anyway

someone speculated that this might be a WW2 bunker
i really don't think so, i live in France and we have a lot of WW2 bunkers around, actually my friends and i used to play in them a lot when we were kids
and the structure on Lost does not look like anything that was used as a shelter in WW2

but it really looks like the hatch part of a nuclear/blast shelter, such as the ones that were designed during the cold war era

judging by the pctures, i'd say that the hatch is no older than 30-40 years old, but that's an educated guess at best
part of the structure is round, and if it was older it would most probably have been square
it also seem to be part concrete, part metal, and that hints for a relatively recent structure

my guss is that it comes from somewhere between 1960 and 1980, at the height of nuclear testings in the pacific
and the hatch leads to a control room

I can't resist any longer

I thought it looked like a George Foreman Grill :lol2:


lmao :lol2:

Maybe it's an extremely large deep frier? Or at first glance I thought it was a septic tank.


But personally... I believe the whole thing is probably 20 times the size of what we're able to see. It could be just the lid of something huge.

It looks like an air conditioner, but that ruins my theory.

It also looks like a trash can, which can work with my theory. Inside of the trash can is the polar boar baby aka Sh-sorry this has nothing to do with what I was just saying but I just saw a promo for "Do No Harm". That episode just looks so amazing! It was a bit different than the one at the end of "Deus Ex Machina". I'm really scared for Boone. back to my post-Shannon Lancelina.

A Foreman grill? lol.... not quite! But funny ;D

It does kind of look like a septic tank too.... hmmm, maybe you don't want to open that hatch, Locke!

I'm really scared for Boone.


Me too, Me Too...-starts bouncing in seat- Your not alone Nich.

Me too, Me Too...-starts bouncing in seat- Your not alone Nich.
Another LOST promo interrupted my post. Make them stop! They are making me sad!

Great job on the 3-d!

Now that I look at the pics more. It reminds me of my Dehydrator! Some sort of giant food processor on the island?

*or too much sugar and no sleep for me!*

A bathroom?? I can just see it now.. .some one gets up in the middle of the night,
turns on the light to take a pee, looks up and what the hell? some dude is peering
through the window!! and Locke is like, what the hell! someone is down in there
taking a pee!!

You have a dehydrator? What does that do for you? I mean besides dehydrate you, lol..... Do you have some kind of disease where your body generates to much fluid? I mean, I've heard of humidifier and de-humidifier, but a dehydrator just sounds frightening!

...

[ edit ]

ok, that was a joke. possibly not even a funny one.

Michelle:

ROFL

Michelle.............. :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

You have a dehydrator? What does that do for you? I mean besides dehydrate you, lol..... Do you have some kind of disease where your body generates to much fluid? I mean, I've heard of humidifier and de-humidifier, but a dehydrator just sounds frightening!

...

[ edit ]

ok, that was a joke. possibly not even a funny one.

Michelle:

ROFL


LOL. No. No strange disease. Not even sure why we have it other than I love Beef Jerky and dried Strawberries and apples!

I can just hear him thinking..."Damn, this is why I buried the bathroom in the first place. Pervs!!!"

LOL, I actually thought it liked like a giant Diaper Genie, one of those sealed trashcans that you put dirty diapers in. Wow, that would be one big baby.... :lol2:

That's it!!! The monster is a giant baby! Hmmm...maybe Alex???? He's so ticked off cause he hasn't had his diaper changed recently!
:laugh:

That would be a heckuva case of diaper rash, and no ointment in sight! :lol2:

That's where Sun comes in. She'll make a natural ointment from the plants. ;D

LOL, something eucalyptus-based, I'm sure, unless Shannon needs it all for her asthma. ::)

Sorry to have gotten off-topic, I really do think those are fantastic 3-D models that you guys made, you've obviously put a lot of work into them. Thanks from the rest of us who are graphics-challenged. :)

that includes me :lol2:

but it really looks like the hatch part of a nuclear/blast shelter, such as the ones that were designed during the cold war era

my guss is that it comes from somewhere between 1960 and 1980, at the height of nuclear testings in the pacific and the hatch leads to a control room


My vote is that tarf has the right answer, or else it's a "containment" facility for biological warfare research, like the real-life evil Plum Island in the USA.

I'm pretty sure the hatch, container, has't to do something with Lockes past.

Those are some pretty sweet 3-d models. I wasn't able to come up with much when I had a class on that... (someone took my hard drive for their project... grr...)
Anyway...

For some reason, I want to think there's some sort of weird genetic experiment in there... or an alien embryo if you really want to get into wacky conspiracy theories... But honestly I think some sort of whacked out DNA splicing test subject thingy is living in there... it might explain what the "others" are... :o

Wow, the first time I've used the spoiler font... yay!

Again, great 3d's. * *Probably the wierdest part of the hatch is , the way that it was found. * *Remember back in Episode 11 (ATCBHDI) the dynamic duo found it by a accident when the flashlight Locke tossed to Boone hit the ground, but instead of a thud...they got a "klank". * * Either Locke was "drawn" to the hatch or there are several of these throughout the island. * * I remember Boone had asked Locke about the trail and Locke said something about "feeling" it, so maybe he was "drawn" to it and this is the only one. * Also, this hatch was pretty well covered like it hadn't been in use or needed for quite some time. * *I mean there was some good amounts of vegetation and no trail leading to it other than what Locke felt.
On another note, when I look at the partially excavated hatch I tend to relate it to that transport thing from "The Fly" and "Altered States", maybe because of the no outer handle. * *I've been tossing the same therories around- WWII bunker, control room, Nuke shelter...even incubator and still can come clear on it.

I've been staring at the hatch for sometime now. Look at the position of the window. It's not in the center of the door why? It makes me think we're looking at it the wrong way. Like it's been turned straight up like (for lack of a better example) when the titanic is sinking. Though how it would get buried that way is beyond me. I just wonder why theres a window positioned like that if it's not even meant to see out of. If you were on a ladder climbing up towards the door would you have a window in that spot? It seems really off to me.

Crude Example: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/sadeyedlie/dhgzfh.bmp

Though with this the height of the door really doesn't make sense. WHO KNOWS!!!

Nice drawings.

Maybe if you try it with a spiral staircase?

Spiral staircase would make sense, however I don't think the hatch was supposed to be sideways...because if it was the door is pretty far off the ground....I think it is supposed to stand the way it currently is, and there probably is a spiral staircase inside.

Now I'm thinking......this hatch might be an extention of a larger, horizontal structure. Maybe a place where you go up and look outside to observe. Observe what, I'm not sure. Maybe over time and disuse, nature just covered it over. Maybe that's why it looks like there's no way in, because "they" wanted to protect themselves from something. Maybe I'm asking too many maybes.

I just hope its not an alien ship. I'll be very disappointed if that is the road the show is taking.

I honestly don't think it will be alien. I think everything that happens will, more or less, be man-made. :D

I wouldn't mind if they went the alien route, things could be worse....one reason that it may be alien related is the comic book which had the alien in it (which was sent to an island, or something like that). And we've already seen the polar bear appear from the comic book, so why not an alien.

Mmmm, that's righsomet I forgot about the comic book. But, I'm thinking, they might not have actual aliens running around down there. But maybe something alien, left behind possibly.

I doubt there are aliens running around....although maybe Ethan was some form of alien, or the others are......remember, what we think to be an "alien" might not actually be what they would make an alien.....so instead of a alien looking freaky, it could just be some superhuman type of thing.

Ethan was unusually strong, wasn't he? Plus, Boone fell asleep at his post, and woke up in the middle of the jungle, with no memory or sensation of being moved. That I found very odd, and I always assumed it was Ethan.
But when I say there's no aliens, I mean that there aren't any actual "little green men" doing any of this. I think a group of very human, 'humans' stumbled on this, and either figured how to use it for their own purposes, or it all accidentally happen, and they don't know how to control it.

Do you mean when Sceve was killed? Actually, he woke up on the beach and ran into the jungle. This was discussed in some detail on other threads. It seemed like it was due to an network affiliate problem. Some channels showed that, others came back after break with him already in the jungle.

But it looked like he woke up in the jungle. He was looking around like he had no idea where he was.

I think he was just trying to get his barrings after falling asleep. I think the fancy camera work was just to tell us he fell asleep and woke up in the same spot and the same position that morning.

Maybe Locke Fell Asleep on the Hatch :lol2:

I doubt there are aliens running around....although maybe Ethan was some form of alien, or the others are......remember, what we think to be an "alien" might not actually be what they would make an alien.....so instead of a alien looking freaky, it could just be some superhuman type of thing.

Like Cylons... Hmmm... what a cross over that would be... There are 12 models of cylons... :laugh:

Nice avie Christine

Willy Wonka was one of my fav movies. We got it for free at our local theatre, when we were kids.

He's going to be great!!

I've been staring at the hatch for sometime now. Look at the position of the window. It's not in the center of the door why? It makes me think we're looking at it the wrong way. Like it's been turned straight up like (for lack of a better example) when the titanic is sinking. Though how it would get buried that way is beyond me. I just wonder why theres a window positioned like that if it's not even meant to see out of. If you were on a ladder climbing up towards the door would you have a window in that spot? It seems really off to me.

Crude Example: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/sadeyedlie/dhgzfh.bmp

Though with this the height of the door really doesn't make sense. WHO KNOWS!!!


I hadn't thought of the hatch structure being on its side. Interesting.

Is that Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka? I've been thinking it was some vampire type guy.

Madge That is Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka.....oh how my heart beats for Johnny <3 :-* :sweety:

I'm changing the subject but earlier people were talking about the hatch being the observation part of something. Submarines have a top part that opens up, like a turret or something. Think yellow submarine. Maybe if Locke digs some more we'll see that the bottom part is much larger. That said, I agree with those who think the hatch is on it's side.

I agree, but I think the hatch is in the right position. Like there's a room below it, and someone could climb up inside to look out.

Ooh! I'm a little late at saying this (but it's never too late for a compliment!) but, nice 3d model of the hatch. I'm starting to thing that it isn't a tunnel anymore. It looks more like a time capsule.

What if it was the egg of our monster? It does sound mechanical so of course it would have some strange looking egg. And with the light, I guess the hatch may be hatching soon. Okay, sorry for that last line. :laugh:

It was buried fairly well, and the "monster" is very mobile. Is it possible they are not related directly? Some have described the sounds during Locke's dream as being reminiscent of the sound of the monster. Maybe the monster is related to the plane crash, not the hatch. And belated huzzahs on the hatch model from me, too.

It is buried very well. I wondered if it might not be to protect them from the monster.
Unless, the monster is under their control, but they can still be harmed by it.

I've thought if maybe the "others" built that to protect themselves from the island....and there is a whole series of underground tunnels/housing and the whispers are coming up through venelation shafts in the ground....seems a little far-fetched but what doesn't on this show?

That's a VERY good idea. :D
The whispers could be coming up from under ground, but how would the others know what to whisper? The whispers seemed to be "personalized". That would be really creepy.....

Maybe if there are people living underground (why wouldn't they clean their windows), they have air passages to keep air circulating and the "whispers" are just the people overhearing the hatch-dwellers talking normally, but beyond the edge of hearing. And the people on the island hear what they want to hear. Like, I'm a linguist and I study language. But there are these rogue linguists who believe that we talk "backwards" and forwards at the same time. They put a lot of effort into recording people's chitchat and then playing it backwards. These folks are dead serious! They really believe they can hear backwards conversations.
URL:http://www.reversespeech.com/home.htm

I just flashed on my friend's dome house. When you were in certain spots on the first floor open living room, you could hear conversation from the second balcony floor as if it were right next to you. I don't mean you could hear it as it wafted over the balcony. You would swear the source of the sound was immediately next to you and the voice didn't have to be loud for this to occur. It would happen with normal conversational volumes. It was a very odd experience that had to do with the acoustics of the place.

It is the electrical supply of the island. It is generating electricity. Locke happened to be there on an upsurge

Yup, the acoustic thing is cool, but there doesn't seem to be a place for sound to bounce off from very regularly, just trees. Unless they are secretly inside a dome like on the Truman Show. Now I want a domed house.

Isabellove.....they could be in a dome....

In the comic book Walt is reading, there is an island inside a dome....can anyone verify that? (Just to make sure I wasn't seeing things)

BurningStar4!!!!!!!! NO WAY! Anyone have a screencap? My mind = boggled.

BurningStar4!!!!!!!! NO WAY! Anyone have a screencap? My mind = boggled.


Ask and you shall receive. You will need to scroll down the page 3/4 of the way or so for the picture of the dome.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_tv/463590.html

btw, the scans of the comic are in English.

Reddy-orange, yellow and blue.
These colors keep reoccuring?
Flag or maybe symbol for nucleur or poison etc??

Has this picture always been around? It is fabulous, Thank-you!

Well it wasn't an island inside a dome, but still there is a dome.....and I think a city within it, or living quarters (maybe like the island, or like the hatch)

Another thing, the Green dudes ring at the top of the page, kinda looks like the top of the hatch.

Is there 8 spires to the castle?

There is definately 4 openings in the (?) in the forefront of picture.

I coutn 8 spires....but I don't think its a castle, I think its supposed to represent a city perhaps. And I'm not sure what it is at the forefront, it almost looks like a gate or archway....I think someone had the actual comic book scanned on a livejournal or website at one time....too bad I can't remember where i saw it

Yup, the acoustic thing is cool, but there doesn't seem to be a place for sound to bounce off from very regularly, just trees. Unless they are secretly inside a dome like on the Truman Show. Now I want a domed house.

Your absolutely right. Trees absorb sound, not reflect it. If you want to record a song that sounds dead and lifeless, the forest would be a GREAT place to do it. ;)
So, I'm now thinking the voices must be coming from somewhere closer, and above ground.

I'm intrigued by the dome idea, but it would be too large a dome for the acoustics to allow voices to be thrown. Any ideas as to illnesses that are contagious and make people hear voices? Could a person have a fever and be walking around, hearing things while delirious but not so sick they seem crazy?

It's possible isabellove.....but I can't really name anything off the top of my head.

Whats up with all the aliens in the comic? Talking bout spreading their disease. Anyway, I think the dome is either 1. a UFO, 2. bomb shelter, or 3. cryogenic chamber with Locke's father in it.......
I did hear from a good source that the dome hast to do with Lockes past.

Yea I've speculated that there are possible aliens on this island, like in the comic book. Or maybe the aliens are running the island....instead of being prisoner.

I don't know what's in the hatch or what it really is even, but it definitely looks like something that came from the military or government. Especially with the "serial" number (4 8 15 16 23 42) written on it. My guess is that someone (for instance, the government) has whatever inside that hatch, they buried it on this island because it's remote....or it's where they do their testing and the numbers are the "coordinates" of where someone was supposed to find it (they would receive the coordinates through a transmission being broadcasted from the tower)....if Sam and Lenny heard the numbers at their post then anyone else could probably hear them as well who was on that frequency, and it was probably the government, considering they were in the NAVY. It's a government conspiracy, I can feel it :)

Does anyone have a link to a picture of the comic pages?
a) dome = possible dome around island or force field (Philadelphia Experiment)
b) hatch = the creators of the hatch are a govt. or corporation that uses arabic numerals (ruling out aliens, also creators have stated no aliens)
c) Does Locke in fact initiate communication with the hatch?
d) Why is the hatch so difficult to crack? Is it a submarine, therefore made to withstand pressure?

Cover:
http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/2004/10/lost_tv_show_on.html
3 pages inside:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/193624.html#cutid1

I remeber seeing another group of pix
still looking

Thanks for the links!

well... now that Boone is out of the way, we'll find out sooner what the hatch is because locke will get a lot more done...
i have a feeling that is going to be the cliffhanger because there is supposed to be one...
im going to be sooo mad over the summer

In the preview for the next episode when Locke re-appears....it looks like he has the most memorized sap happy face, and I think it's because of what he may have seen in the hatch.

you are soo right.. and then he gets shot and his expression doesnt change too much- he has one of those... "what the heck ???"???? faces

If you like government conspiracy, there is a thread, where posts are made by an Admirlal(?)

He drops hints, and they take you places that blow your mind. I've asked for them to be put in chronological order, so we can read them all at once. I think he's up to 4 posts now.

Even if it's planted, it's fun to look the stuff up, it's all Government Conspiracy.

I love government conspiracy.....but I think I visit the thread you are talking about.

i hate government conspiricy...lol
no really though... I LOVE THE CRAZY THEORIES... just because :lol2:

Diary and Hatch:
New Diary post describes the hatch! Made of metal and surrounded by concrete?

concrete? it looked like fiber glass or plastic... but reallllllyyyy hard to break

This might be a little OT here, and I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but has anyone seen similarities in the discovery of the hatch in Lost, and the ship int The Tommyknockers?

ive never seen that...

Inscriptions in Human number systems should (perhaps fortunately) rule out a Drazi Spoo Fridge.

wow, no one has posted here in a while.. ILL BE THE FIRST
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=358&pos=13

Drazi Spoo :laugh: For the life of me I could not remember what it was called.

I'm not saying that it's alien, and I'm so hoping it's not, just that the more of the ship was uncovered, the crazier everyone got.

This might be a little OT here, and I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but has anyone seen similarities in the discovery of the hatch in Lost, and the ship int The Tommyknockers?


Funny I thought the exact same thing! I have no clue what it could be, but in my head, I am seeing at as an entrance to some underground lab, hideout, whatever. If you remember to previous shows a lot of the noises sounded like something scraping metal and huge air vents opening up (don't remember where I heard that or read it). Either this island is made of metal, (which is so far fetched, I can't even believe that ) or it is some kind of underground facility. If it is harboring the others, then we could make some sense as to why we hear "whispers" when they are alone.

Okay I don't really know anything. Your guess is as good as mine, but I am leaning towards it being an entrance to the underground "thing", but I am not seeing it as something extra-terrestrial.

Well I dont think its an entrance to anything...its too hard to enter. I think its an exit....which means that theres another way in. I also think its human, because of the numbers on it. And it seemed like when boone and locke discovered it, it was completely submerged, like it was almost all the underground, dont know if that means anything, but maybe that means its supposed to be hidden

Well I dont think its an entrance to anything...its too hard to enter. I think its an exit....which means that theres another way in. I also think its human, because of the numbers on it. And it seemed like when boone and locke discovered it, it was completely submerged, like it was almost all the underground, dont know if that means anything, but maybe that means its supposed to be hidden


Maybe Locke wasn't supposed to get his answers from the plane, maybe the answer lies in where the plane was rather than inside the plane. Is it possible that the plane crashed on black rock? That could be where the entrance to the hatch is. That could have been what Locke was supposed to find.

Locke asked how you open a hatch that has no handle, no latch, no discernable way of opening it. The answer is that you don't. Not from the outside, it's an exit.

Nice thoughts uk_girl, there was a lot of talk of seeing Jesus's face in the red cliff, under the plane.*

Could red and black have the same meaning, and the red cliff of Jesus, is the black rock.

I don't recall if it was ever discussed if the color of the rock might not actually be black.

I'm glad someone else saw a face in the stone
i didnt see Jesus, but i did see a face.
it looked like a skull from a pre-homo-erectus
Australopithicus. (damn memorization)

A face in the rocks??
Guess I was too busy watching Boone do the accordian I must have missed it.
Where was it?

When Boone was climbing the ropey viney things, it would have been to the left of him and under the plane.* There is a pik where it shows the red cliff face.* Go to the Search button, and type in Jesus face, and you'll get a few different posts that have that phrase in them.* Check them all out until you find the one with the picture.

Happy Hunting.*

Thanks WIS. I'll begin my hunting..... :)

Nice thoughts uk_girl, there was a lot of talk of seeing Jesus's face in the red cliff, under the plane.

Could red and black have the same meaning, and the red cliff of Jesus, is the black rock.

I don't recall if it was ever discussed if the color of the rock might not actually be black.


Maybe it's not that the entire rock is black, I don't know much about magnetite, but is it possible that there is magnetite scattered in the red rock? Kind of like how the ore is when you strip mine? Or maybe if Boone had carried on to the top of that cliff he would have seen the black rock which could be an area on top of the cliff.

Going to check out the face in the cliff...

i believe the best shot is when boone is IN the plane, and it is weebling. then to the left of the plane take a look. think of a skull shape. protruding brow. some ppl say Jesus, but i dont see Jesus. maybe i have to look again. i thought when boone was climbing, it was to his right. argh, lemme go look...

time 34:31
time 34:34
those are the best shots. (no commercials)
and it is to his right when he's climbing, i was mistaken. (i still dont see Jesus, though, that's for sure)

Ok, I saw a face but I wouldn't have said it was Jesus. It looked more like a skull to me.

Is this what everyone is talking about?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Nic_Uk_Girl/CliffFace.jpg

Yep, but there is a better picture from a different angle.

From that pic I'd say it's nothing but the way the light falls on the rocks and the coloring.

Ok, I saw a face but I wouldn't have said it was Jesus.* It looked more like a skull to me.

Is this what everyone is talking about?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Nic_Uk_Girl/CliffFace.jpg

YES!
i am holding on to the idea that it is Australopithicus afarenis.
it's fun to say, and it works :lol2:

That was way to scary. I saw that face and thought of it watching Boone die. I still have goosebumps. :o

If that's a skull, it's the skull of a giant. :laugh:

YES!
i am holding on to the idea that it is Australopithicus afarenis.
it's fun to say, and it works* :lol2:


It is fun to say, try it. ;)

It is fun to say, try it.* *;)

haha
i remember in college the year i had to memorize the genus/species names of EVERY pre-homo erectus man

think thats fun to say?
try having like 20 more in sequence, with like 5 of them all in a row starting with Australopithecus LOL

Australopithecus afarensis (of which most of you have heard of our ancestor LUCY)
Australopithecus africanus
Australopithecus robustus
Australopithecus boisei
Australopithecus ananemisis
(just imagine saying it a million times lol)


so, here is a front view of the skull that it looks like to me
http://www.boneclones.com/AM-02.htm

NP, have you seen the documentary on Lucy, the last tree ape of Africa, and how she joined with the savannah dwellers, and learned to stand erect, to see over the grasses?

i dont understand where u guys are seeing this and uk_girl, the pic u posted isnt coming up for me on the link it says that the page cant be found... can someone put a new pic up--- im so confused

i dont understand where u guys are seeing this and uk_girl, the pic u posted isnt coming up for me on the link it says that the page cant be found... can someone put a new pic up--- im so confused


It would seem that Photobucket is down, and that's why you can't see the picture. It will come back online again, but who knows when.

If anyone knows of a different photohosting site I could use then please share, or I would be happy to e-mail it to you if you pm me with your e-mail address.

sounds good

sounds good


I tried sending you the pic by e-mail but kept getting failure messages, it's ok though as photobucket is back up again now. If you click the link in this thread it should take you there ok.

Nic

o, i sent u the emailo, and are u looking in the almost bottom left hand corner (on the pic)?