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newfgirl
02-27-2007, 02:32 PM
Good (but not great) episode IMO. It didn't really move the overall plot line along but a solid hour of entertainment.
I liked seeing Chief going back to being a leader (more than as head-knuckdragger anyway) like he was in the resistance.

There was also more Ros-dama shipping moments which is a bonus.
The Baltar book/farmer background storyline is a bit odd, but I am guessing will have more relevance later.

Melikon
02-27-2007, 08:07 PM
So Chief Tyrol is an intergalactic Jimmy Hoffa. lol.

Good to see the BSG world from a different pov for a change (the fuel refinery workers)

So Baltar's supposed to be like Karl Marx with his Communist Manifesto?

Cool to learn more about the different races in the BSG universe, and how they discriminate against each other. That seems to be a major theme in season three. Racial prejudice and discrimination between the human races more than Cylon vs. Human.

Tyrol's baby Nicholas really digs that algae paste doesn't he. LOL.

PhillyGirl2873
02-28-2007, 10:29 AM
It's funny because I was wondering where they were getting their fuel (and food for that matter). I found it interesting to see this behind the scenes look at the fleet. Also, as someone who's been on real refineries, I really like the health and safety aspect of the plot. Where's OSHA? It was also interesting to see both sides. Yeah, these people are stuck in their jobs, but they are running for their lives and you would think that everyone would be recruited to work, no matter how dirty the work, to help the human race escape. I found myself on both sides of the issue.

This episode may not have had much action, but it was rich in social issues and human nature. I thought it was awesome. Plus I love Chief, but even so I thought the episode tackled some interesting social issues while also showing us what else is going on with the fleet.

RamessesIX
02-28-2007, 12:51 PM
I thought this episode started slowly, but it totally had me by the end. It was a little more stand-alone than most, but Baltar's gambit is ingenious, and the writing and acting were for the most part top-notch. And it was mostly a welcome break from the show's devolution into Grey's Anatomy in Space. Very adult and thought-provoking.

Can I just say that I hated Adama in the scene where he ordered Cally executed? The tone in his voice, the look in his eye, the camera angle...I had a very strong reaction to that scene. Particularly since the writers have set up the fact that Adama doesn't particularly like the Chief. Is that SOB getting off on this a little? Then, when he's explaining his rationale, I'm going, "Dammit! I see where he's coming from." I didn't want to, but I had no choice. Extremely well done all around.

Ditto with the Chief's final conversation with Roslin, except...if she's that wise and enlightened, why didn't she just listen to him in the first place? Did she have to see how far he would go before she stopped giving him the bum's rush?

There was also more Ros-dama shipping moments which is a bonus.
See, I can't stand that plotline. On the one hand, I can understand that each is the only human being alive that the other can possibly talk to about the decisions that weigh on them every day. But the awesome responsibility they bear, and the necessity for them to oppose one another on matters of the utmost import, to me, means they're not allowed to flirt with each other, or get too close, and I would hope that both are mature enough to understand this.


The Baltar book/farmer background storyline is a bit odd, but I am guessing will have more relevance later.
He's so full of it! A whole treatise on how the democratic system doesn't work from someone who was legitimately elected President despite his background. And yet...and yet...there's a kernel of truth to what he says. Just enough to get people a little riled up just in time for his trial. Baltar, the ultimate survivalist and opportunist.

So Baltar's supposed to be like Karl Marx with his Communist Manifesto?
I saw that, but thought it as much or more a parallel to Mein Kampf.

Yeah, these people are stuck in their jobs, but they are running for their lives and you would think that everyone would be recruited to work, no matter how dirty the work, to help the human race escape. I found myself on both sides of the issue.
Me too, I was going back and forth like a tennis ball. The bottom line to me was that if the fuel was that crucial to their escape from the Cylons, it's just bad management to have disgruntled, sleep-deprived virtual slaves in charge of it.

Plus I love Chief, but even so I thought the episode tackled some interesting social issues while also showing us what else is going on with the fleet.
The Chief rules! I would seriously like to see him run for President, I think that would be a great story (and I would vote for him!). It's hard not to like a character with such a strong sense of fairness and justice.


I peeked at the preview for a second and was excited to see that Leoben's back!

newfgirl
02-28-2007, 01:32 PM
I agree Philly, this wasn't one of the OMG episodes, but I really really liked it. To me it was a good example of why I like this show. They give youboth sides of an issue and let you make your own judgements. You may agree with one side or the other, but you at least have to consider the opposite view. I really wish more people watched this show. The move to Sunday hasn't really helped.

Can I just say that I hated Adama in the scene where he ordered Cally executed? The tone in his voice, the look in his eye, the camera angle...I had a very strong reaction to that scene. Particularly since the writers have set up the fact that Adama doesn't particularly like the Chief. Is that SOB getting off on this a little? Then, when he's explaining his rationale, I'm going, "Dammit! I see where he's coming from." I didn't want to, but I had no choice. Extremely well done all around.


Also agree- I really felt Chief's frustration and wanted to throttle Adama! But then it all made sense...between the acting and the writing -- well done!

He's so full of it! A whole treatise on how the democratic system doesn't work from someone who was legitimately elected President despite his background. And yet...and yet...there's a kernel of truth to what he says. Just enough to get people a little riled up just in time for his trial. Baltar, the ultimate survivalist and opportunist.


Good insight. Very typical of propaganda and of course preying on the masses. (also typical of Baltar).

Yes, Chief for President! I second that!