Welcome to the LOST Rewind for episode 2x05, "...And Found".
Timestamp: Day 47 - Sunday, November 7, 2004
*Men of Science, Men of Faith -- The story begins with Sun and Jin seemingly preparing to meet each other on an arranged date. In true LOST fashion it ends up being Jin preparing for a job interview and Sun meeting someone else. This sets up the ending, with the two meeting completely by accident, the viewers expectations finally fulfilled but in a wholly backhanded, and perhaps more satisfying, way. How does this tie into the episode's themes of hope and destiny, and into the season's larger theme of faith?
Also examine these themes in the context of this exchange between Locke and Sun:
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SUN: Did you see me?
LOCKE: Rip apart your garden? No. [She laughs.] Sometimes I wish I had a garden to tear apart.
SUN: I don't think I have ever seen you angry.
LOCKE [laughing]: Oh, I used to get angry all the time. Frustrated too.
SUN: You are not frustrated anymore?
LOCKE: I'm not lost anymore.
SUN: How did you do that?
LOCKE: Same way anything lost gets found -- I stopped looking.
Remember what Locke said in Season 1: "It found me." Can Sun and Jin be said to have found each other when they each "stopped looking" and let destiny take it's course, much as Locke seems to try to do when he lets the Island guide him?
*A common theme in the flashback and the on island action is Jin wanting respect. While fishing with Ana and Bernard, he's treated at first like he doesn't know what he is doing. He then catches an insane amount of fish, ironically getting respect on the Island for what he was disrespected for off of it.
*Who was Jae Lee in love with in America at the time of the flashback? What happened to that relationship? Might it end up being a significant crossover?
*The Others continue to pretend they are wild men, possibly to keep the Losties/Taillies afraid of them. Danielle had previously mentioned they seemed to "disappear" into the jungle, leaving no tracks. Actually in the DVD menu of Season 2 Disc 2, if you let the menu video repeat four times, the video will change to show someone dragging a leaf behind them possibly to erase their tracks.
The scene where Jin quits cuz Jae Lee's dad The Hotel Owner yelled at him for letting the poor man and his kid go inside to use the toilet. . .man, sure shows that class prejudice ain't just a Western Civ problem--it's a human folly!
Funny how Jae Lee treated Jin with respect--now that we know how their paths will cross again, in the end.
I was delighted when they brought Jae Lee back, in the way that they did. That HE taught Sun to speak English was unexpected--but makes so much sense in the context of the Sun/Jin story as a whole (now that we've seen it). Sun really is a spoiled princess with the potential of being someone better. That's been her main conflict all along; the Jin/Jae Lee thing is/was just another aspect of that--the one with the most serious (deadly!) consequences.
It will be interesting to see how Sun's having to face her impending death-due-to-Island-pregnancy will play out. Will she stop the cycle of lying, and lay all her cards on the table, once and for all? Or will she keep quiet, wanting to cherish the time she has left with Jin? Or, if they are rescued and off Island, will she not die? Will she continue her devious nature in FFs? What will become of her--and her marriage?
Oh, and I'm very glad she found the ring. Not that that was ever in doubt!
That catching-fish scene was a HOOT! Loved seeing Ana just !!
Anyone wanna talk about Mike's taking off to find Walt? A lot of things got revealed during that plot line (Goodwin's body, the tattered Others, Eko's point: "they won't be found--unless they want to be").
Michael running off and the following scenes definitely had a lot to do with how I viewed the others for much of Season 2.
I tend to dislike Sun/Jin episodes, but there is one huge plus to this one...Mr. Eko! He's one of my two favorite characters and was far too short lived, so I eat up any screentime he has.
How does this tie into the episode's themes of hope and destiny, and into the season's larger theme of faith?
I think it ties in with the proactive elements of destiny – the searching. John tells Sun he found what he was looking for once he stopped looking, Jin walks smack into his future bride while not looking where he was walking… Jack’s story – the crazy old romantic; still has his ring in a drawer back home (bet by Season 3’s finale he’s pawned it for a drink ) - is a little different.
His search is unfruitful but true to his style, he does something about it - and teaches us a lesson about the deception of appearances to boot. He may have appeared to still have his ring; but it wasn’t his ring. It was a duplicate, visual trickery, a lie.
Searching then: Jin and John have both expressed a need for direction. Finding that heading is an element of their fulfilment, but so is allowing things to unfold. Jin might have taken off after the girl in the orange dress – but I’ll bet he’s glad he didn’t.
This must all play into Michael’s refusal to give up his search – but I don’t get it yet.
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Who was Jae Lee in love with in America at the time of the flashback? What happened to that relationship? Might it end up being a significant crossover?
Still hoping over here! A new character maybe – we’re a bit short of medieval Russian literature connected candidates for the moment I think. Someone in the hospitality industry? Being dead is a bit of a hindrance to his telling us much, so – flashback or photograph might be employed.
As a bit of an aside here: from what I read; there’s very little exists in the way of medieval Russian literature, but one book of the day recounts the heroic deeds of Alexander (Nevsky) whose mother was Theodosia. Not exactly a Theodore… but not a bad find either. If the Germans invade, I’m claiming this.
Sun’s Art History studies might prove useful I suppose – but most of the Art we see seems contemporary… still, I wouldn’t have minded her analysis of the Hatch mural. I see Guernica.
To refocus on the exceptional promoted from within Jin: it was so cool he got a Hurley’s Hairnet moment of his own, telling his boss where he could shove his hat and gloves, and his sticking it to lairy Ana was a delight; I would have loved to hear him say “In Korea…” all shouty and s-l-o-w so the foreigner could understand him “…we fish with bait” snapping his teeth on the ‘T’ but “Fish” was eloquent enough.
I’m driven to distraction by my inability to read Korean – not that it makes a whole lot of difference; I know Jin’s documentation is full of contradictions and inaccuracies without being able to interpret any of it. Wouldn’t mind knowing what the banner on the bridge said though.
Thank goodness maths is international – Jin’s apartment mirror has 8 sides in any language.
The one bit of interpretation I could have done without is the EXIT sign in the restaurant. Between this words cameos in the flashbacks, Orientation and the DVDs at al… it’s rapidly approaching my proscribed list. I feel IPCRESSed every time I see it.
Did Kate have a moments pause when Sun was frustrated with herself over her reaction to the loss of ‘a thing’? – her plane, Jack’s ring, Sun’s ring… interesting. Replace these items with principles and you could still watch people loose sense of what’s really important. One might commit an atrocity in defence of a principal (I’m rambling, sorry).
And so to the Others:
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The Others continue to pretend they are wild men, possibly to keep the Losties/Taillies afraid of them. Danielle had previously mentioned they seemed to "disappear" into the jungle, leaving no tracks.
Wow but their spooky credentials were cranked up this epi! when a man who personifies both the irritable force and the immovable object says you are ‘very lucky’ not to meet them… *shudder* creeping about the woods in rags, leaving no trails… with children.
I wasn’t clear back then whether Goodwin was one of, or killed by the Others. Should have worked it out because he was left unburied but… the tailies were in such a poor state, terrified and close to starvation I figured they mightn’t have had the resources or the will to do anything but that which were necessary.
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Actually in the DVD menu of Season 2 Disc 2, if you let the menu video repeat four times, the video will change to show someone dragging a leaf behind them possibly to erase their tracks.
It does? yay! I'll have to try that. Just as soon as I've found the dissapearing 'bullet hole' I swear I saw in Hurley's Sydney hotel window - once.
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*The Others continue to pretend they are wild men, possibly to keep the Losties/Taillies afraid of them. Danielle had previously mentioned they seemed to "disappear" into the jungle, leaving no tracks. Actually in the DVD menu of Season 2 Disc 2, if you let the menu video repeat four times, the video will change to show someone dragging a leaf behind them possibly to erase their tracks.
I'm still confused about this. It didn't seem like we saw little kids walking in that line. The person dragging the bear seems a lot taller than Zack or Emma. And why were they dragging the bear with them if they were going back to catch more Tailies? Seems like they would have left it with the kids. Did the Others know that Eko and Jin were there and purposely go in that direction to freak them out? It just doesn't seem to add up with what we now know of the Others. At least to me it doesn't.
Who was Jae Lee in love with in America at the time of the flashback? What happened to that relationship? Might it end up being a significant crossover?
I think that his love/fiance is Penny. I haven't watched the episodes in a while but didn't Des ask her when her wedding was when they were at the track?
Welcome to the LOST Rewind for episode 2x05, "...And Found".
Timestamp: Day 47 - Sunday, November 7, 2004
*Men of Science, Men of Faith -- The story begins with Sun and Jin seemingly preparing to meet each other on an arranged date. In true LOST fashion it ends up being Jin preparing for a job interview and Sun meeting someone else. This sets up the ending, with the two meeting completely by accident, the viewers expectations finally fulfilled but in a wholly backhanded, and perhaps more satisfying, way. How does this tie into the episode's themes of hope and destiny, and into the season's larger theme of faith?
Remember what Locke said in Season 1: "It found me." Can Sun and Jin be said to have found each other when they each "stopped looking" and let destiny take it's course, much as Locke seems to try to do when he lets the Island guide him?
Actually, I look at Sun and Jin in exactly the opposite way! Jin thought that his destiny was the woman in orange. But he allowed hope to intrude when he bumped into Sun.
Sun was going the opposite way--from hope with Jae Lee to destiny with Jin. Interesting to see them both arrive in the same place from opposite ends of the spectrum!
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*A common theme in the flashback and the on island action is Jin wanting respect. While fishing with Ana and Bernard, he's treated at first like he doesn't know what he is doing. He then catches an insane amount of fish, ironically getting respect on the Island for what he was disrespected for off of it.
This is part of Jin's larger story of self-acceptance and self-respect. What's interesting in the scene that you selected is that although Jin could tell that Bernard and Ana were agitated, he just calmly continued his task. He didn't care what they thought in that moment. He just did what he thought he should do, achieving his self-respect from within, rather than without.
Sun looses her wedding ring. A touchstone for them as a couple.
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(Jin takes off his wedding ring to be used as proof he is dead but Ben uses it to prove he is alive in Season 5)
The Arrow hatch.
I like the way Mr. Eko didn't punch Jin back. He head butted him, which seemed as, non aggressive but business.
Jin gets knocked over by a boar and comes across Goodwin. Hum, Jin's English is improving, especially around Eko.
Locke's scene with Sun was very good.
The Others don't leave tracks and we still aren't sure why that is.
Mr. Eko: The will not be found unless they want to be. (See Ben get trapped)
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HURLEY (making conversation with Sun): So...Seoul...is that in the good Korea or the bad Korea?
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SUN: Hurley, this is ridiculous. Waiting here for...the dog did not eat my ring.
HURLEY: Dude, dogs will eat anything. When I was a kid, my dog, Buster...I had this drawer where I'd throw in all my change, right...and I guess there were some smarties in there...so, like, the next day, Buster craps out a buck-thirty-five in nickels.
When Jack was talking to Sun about his experience trying to find a lost wedding ring, I wondered if it might be a foreshadowing of his frantic attempts to crash on the island at the end of season three...
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JACK: I lost my wedding ring once. It's crazy where you look when you want to find something bad enough. I went through the garbage outside the house, emptied the bags and everything. I even took apart the pipes in my bathroom because I was convinced it had gone down the drain in the sink.
Even more interesting, IMO, was his explanation of why his wife never found out...
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JACK: I went to the jeweler and had a replica made, that's how. Yeah, now it's just rattling around in my sock drawer back home.
Maybe the whole proxy idea was a con of sorts (or a loophole?) to simply get the O6 back to the island. Although Locke is the one we've seen with a replica on the island, I'm wondering if Jack may be part of a different con on Jacob's part.
And I thought this whole interaction between Locke and Sun was interesting...
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LOCKE: Sometimes I wish I had a garden to tear apart.
SUN: I don't think I have ever seen you angry.
LOCKE: Oh, I used to get angry all the time. Frustrated, too.
SUN: You are not frustrated any more?
LOCKE: I'm not lost anymore.
SUN: How did you do that?
LOCKE: The same way anything lost gets found...I stopped looking.
First of all, who is Locke kidding? He essentially proceeded to spend the next 3 1/2 seasons in a perpetual state of frustration and anger, culminating in an aborted suicide attempt.
Could John's reference to a "garden to tear apart" be a foreshadowing of what the MiB may do to the island during the upcoming war?
And what does this say about the idea that 'destiny' will show us the way if we just stop looking so hard?
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yay! I'll have to try that. Just as soon as I've found the dissapearing 'bullet hole' I swear I saw in Hurley's Sydney hotel window - once. 
- well, we actually don't have a space station
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