Potentially, especially with these scene differences coming in the same episode, it could represent the subtle changes that happened to the events that led desmond to the island by him being affected by the implosion of the hatch.
He didn't just mental flash initially in this episode, we his 2004 conscious in his pre-island body with out all the back and forth that was going in the constant. It looked like to me on the last re-watch I did on it, that Desmond had the oppurtunity to take the info he learned from his 2004 future self and make different choices in the events that led him to the island.
Hawking tells him he doesn't buy the ring. That he doesn't ask penny to marry him, that he's not suppose to take the ring. Again, to me, it seemed like the events in the jewelry store had already played out once before, where desmond didn't take the ring.
Things still worked out where he didn't ask Penny to marry him, but there's subtle differences, imo, on how that sequence of events went down. Desmond himself says he remembers Jimmy Whatever-his-name-is, hitting the bartending with the cricket paddle for welching on a bet. Desmond's memories of the that period in his life make me believe that he lived it once already and has been given the oppurtunity to revisit those moments because of the implosion of the hatch, him being at ground zero.
I think the subtle differences, like the paintings being in different places, represent subtle shifts in Desmond's action as he re-lives these past events. He's not doing it exactly because he already remembers doing it once, in other words. ANd in remembering doing it once, he remembers certain things that are going to happen.
That it's going to rain outside Widmore's office. That Jimmy is gonna hit the bartender, that the soccer team is going to come back and win.
Another interesting shift in this episode MysteryFan occurs with his meeting of Charlie. THe News Stand in the background changes as well. I would be more inclined to chalk these kinds of things up to prop errors if they all didn't happen in the same episode. I tend to think that each scene/sequence is going to be shot at once. And that even with multiple takes, the set isn't going to change. Unless they did it on purpose.
That's me though. Some things are probably oversights or prop errors, but key episodes like that, which we know now was a pre-cursor to all the time travel stuff, I don't think have blatant oversights like that. I think an episode like this is a big hub for the story so the crew would be keeping an even sharper eye for any unintentional errors.
Just watched this episode again. Wondering how Eloise knew about the man with the red shoes death.. she knew about Desmond's story presumably because of Daniel's notebook but that wouldn't account for a random guy dying.
Potentially, especially with these scene differences coming in the same episode, it could represent the subtle changes that happened to the events that led desmond to the island by him being affected by the implosion of the hatch...It looked like to me on the last re-watch I did on it, that Desmond had the oppurtunity to take the info he learned from his 2004 future self and make different choices in the events that led him to the island.
This is a good pick-up, MysteryFan. I'm wondering whether whatever is going on with the mirroring here has anything to do with Desmond's special abilities. There are similar mirror image transpositions in several other episodes, and most of those do not involve Desmond at all. In Homecoming, Jack's tattoo switched from his left arm to his right arm during the middle of his fight with Ethan, and in Tricia Tanaka is Dead, Hurley is shown (in a reflection) standing behind Charlie, and then a half-second later standing in front of him.
Maybe these scenes hint that the island is some sort of a mirror world to our own. Not that Desmond will not be a difference maker...perhaps he will end up being the only one with the ability to travel 'through the looking glass' to do something about the MiB's loophole.
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I think the subtle differences, like the paintings being in different places, represent subtle shifts in Desmond's action as he re-lives these past events. He's not doing it exactly because he already remembers doing it once, in other words. ANd in remembering doing it once, he remembers certain things that are going to happen...That it's going to rain outside Widmore's office. That Jimmy is gonna hit the bartender, that the soccer team is going to come back and win.
Another interesting shift in this episode MysteryFan occurs with his meeting of Charlie. THe News Stand in the background changes as well. I would be more inclined to chalk these kinds of things up to prop errors if they all didn't happen in the same episode.
I agree with you, Merch, that these all point to the fact that Desmond can 'make his own kind of music'. I think that Ms Hawking knows this, thus her efforts to convince him not to change his destiny. But if there are loops going on, maybe it's only the original (from our perspective) loop that Hawking wanted to see preserved. If Desmond is destined to make a difference, perhaps it will involve closing the new loop (or loophole, if you will) which has been created by Jacob's nemesis.
I also found it interesting that Ms. Hawking told Desmond that "If you don't do those things, every single one of us is dead" (with emphasis on the "us"). Could she, as well as Widmore and possibly others, be from the other side of the 'looking glass'? And could the MiB's loophole, in part, be about the elimination of these 'chronology protection agents'?
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Just watched this episode again. Wondering how Eloise knew about the man with the red shoes death.. she knew about Desmond's story presumably because of Daniel's notebook but that wouldn't account for a random guy dying.
Maybe it's an ability that has been conferred by the island (similar to Desmond's). She did say, however, during her visit to Desmond in the hospital, that she didn't know what was going to happen next. Although I agree that Daniel's notebook can't explain everything, this would seem to suggest that she may have been using time travel in some way.
In "Whatever Happened, Happened", when Kate is looking for Aaron, there is one scene shown in the reflection of a mirror that is across the back of the store.
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