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Old 04-11-2005, 01:13 PM   #1
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Our Thoughts on Tib

In the following posts, I have tried to amass the riddled information that we have been given by a mysterious poster named Tiberius.* The first few were found on another message board by OnAonXM.* Since then, Tiberius has decided to grace this board with his/her cryptic presence. It should be noted that these riddles were found when searching info on the Philadelphia and Montauk Experiments.
The original riddles are in bold and at the top of the posts.* The numbers in parenthesis have been added by me in order to ease referencing.* The rest of the posts (the parts not in bold) include various bits of information that have been collected by other posters.* Special thanks goes to OnAonXM, BurningStar4, waltisfuture, cinamin, and Charlie for your input, and especially to Tiberius…for all the fun.* I am sorry if I missed anyone, and will correct my mistakes when notified. Please PM me if you have anything to add, as I would like to keep this thread as more of a reference rather than a discussion. Also, please refernece the specific post to which your info applies.* (This may prove to be not feasible, but we shall see.)

Edited to also thank kimberwing and FatKarateElvis.
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Old 04-11-2005, 01:14 PM   #2
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(1) 4
(2) Through the looking glass:
(3) 4 August at 1516HRS 23seconds local 1942 pod 1 assumed destroyed during first full power test.
(4) PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT

1- The first of our “numbers”.* It should be noted that Tiberius added these numbers after the original posts were made.
2- Alice in Wonderland – possible reference to alternate realities or drug induced hallucinations
3- Uses all the “numbers” in a time-date sequence.* One generator was missing from the USS Eldridge after the ship “came back from the unknown” during the Philadelphia Experiment (hereafter referred to as PE).
4- Here’s some links on the PE, which closely ties itself to the Montauk Experiment (ME).* It was originally done in order to develop stealth technology, but it may (or may not) have had mysterious ramifications.
http://ds.dial.pipex.com/ritson/philadelphia/index.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21-1.htm
http://www.anomalous-images.com/text/philexp1.html
http://www.tricountyi.net/~randerse/pxmenu.htm
Montauk Experiment
The Montauk Project
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Old 04-11-2005, 01:16 PM   #3
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(1) 8
(2) Sins of the father:
(3) The officers and sailors of the USS Eldridge have children.
(4) Admiral M.* United States Navy (Retired)

1- The second of our “numbers.”
2- Religious reference – I’m not sure if this is only a reference to Christianity.* I am not up on my religious studies and would appreciate any help offered in this department.
3- The ship used in PE and ME that may have traveled through space-time.
4- The Navy, and possibly the Air Force were involved in PE and ME.
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Old 04-11-2005, 01:17 PM   #4
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(1) 15
(2) Suffer the "children":
(3) Punished for the sins of the fathers they have become INDIGO CHILDREN.
(4) #3186-JCA shall save them.

1- The third of our “numbers.”
2- Possible reference to the “children” in line (7) in Tiberius’ second post.
3- Here are some links on Indigo Children.* They are supposedly a newly evolving subset of the human race, perhaps with psychic abilities.
http://www.greatdreams.com/indigo.htm
http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/
4- Another one of those “conspiracy” projects.*
#3180-JC The "Christ Project" attempted to clone Jesus from DNA particles obtained from the Shroud Of Turin. Terminated due to lack of subject control.
#3186-JCA The "Christ Project" refunded in 1986. Children* are being raised in a closed environment.
http://www.amoneydeal.com/ufo48.html
Some of the other projects in the link might also prove relavent.
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Old 04-11-2005, 01:19 PM   #5
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(1) 16
(2) The Platonic year dawns
(3) Precession
(4) A truly international date will dawn over the black rock on the ocean.
(5) A choice will be made by the Few for the Whole. The choice:
(6) The flowing waters of science or the Fisher of men.

1- The fourth of our “numbers”
2,3- The Platonic Year is also known as the Great Year. It is the amount of time it takes for the earth to complete one cycle of Precession.* One rotation is a day. One revolution is a year.* One precession is a great year. It is given a different value depending on where you look.* It is about 25,800 years. Dawns = Begins
http://www.revealer.com/platonic.htm
http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html
http://www.thegreatyeardvd.com/TGYDVD/(unductbkutphuargtpzjhc55)/defDVD.aspx
http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...Precession.pdf
4- From what I have read, I have gathered that the Great Year in either about to end or just passing its midpoint.* The “day” begins when the International Date Line (IDL) is crossed. The first point to cross the line lies on an island in the Pacific Ocean.* See subsequent posts for further info.
5,6- The Fisher of Men is Christ.* This seems to refer to a choice between science and religion, or faith and proof.
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Old 04-11-2005, 01:21 PM   #6
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Re: Our Thoughts on Tiberius

Croatoan seeks

This is no Isthmian game.
Seek the son of Admiral M.
The son of Cain.
Born of the canal.
Called to congress from Arizona.
Seek the Senator
Who fights the Future
The Singularity
The Choice

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Old 04-11-2005, 02:04 PM   #7
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(1) 23
(2) Fridays Child is full of woe
(3) Child of darkness/Child of Light
(4) Opera/Struggle
(5) The oldest war
(6) Balance
(7) Precession
(8 )**The greatest Truth: Precession
(9) Caroline in the ocean (Oceania 15)
(10) Kiribati adjustment set the point.
(11) Precession set the time.
(12) Point-Time-Choice

1- The fifth of our “numbers.”
http://www.23-skidoo.com/
2- Fridays child poem
Mondays child is fair of face,
Tuesdays child is full of grace,
Wednesdays child is full of woe,
Thursdays child has far to go,
Fridays child is loving and giving,
Saturdays child works hard for his living,
And the child that is born on the Sabbath day
Is bonny and blithe, and good and gay.
(It's weird that its Wednesday’s child and not Friday’s child as the post title states)
Fridays child - youth will listen to and interact with youth.* A cyber space United Nations for Youth.
http://www.yesintl.com/
3- Possibly representing the duality in the human condition.* This could also refer to Claire’s baby. This makes me think that goodness is not innate but something that is “decided” due to outside forces.* Claire’s psychic said that HER goodness need to influence the child.
4- As of this post by Tiberius, this line had us stumped.* But after reviewing later clues, the Latin translation for “Opera” was found to be “The works of man”.
5- I’m not sure how relevant this is, but it came up when searching “the oldest war”.
“Waves of euphoria. Ah, but now we had to look at the consequences of the oldest war, the assault we had been waging on Earth herself. Global warming, the hole in the ozone layer, the vanishing rain forests, spreading deserts, toxic wastes, disappearing species, the poisoning of the food chain, overpopulation . . . odds for humanity's survival grew slimmer.”
Perhaps an alternate to the struggle between good and evil being the oldest war we now have man against nature.
Here's the link* *http://www.lightworks.com/MonthlyAsp...h/0397-10.html
It's also very Age of Aquarius oriented.* * *
6,7,8 - Why was the "Precession of the Equinox" universally revered?
The Great year is a period of 24,000 years; 12,000 ascending into a higher age, and 12,000 descending into a lower age.* Ancient cultures knew it as precession of the equinox.
...the fall of ancient civilizations around the globe, and the rise of modern civilization, might be related to our suns motion around a companions star.
...just as the Earths spin on its axis(23) causes day and night and our planets annual orbit around the sun is responsible for the ongoing cycle of seasons, what if there is some greater celestial cycle, lasting 1000's of years, slowly influencing the Rise and fall of civilization across the globe.
...to many ancient cultures, the answers lie in the stars.* I their view, time and civilization did not progress ever forward in a strict linear path, but moved in a cyclical pattern, with human civilization and consciousness rising and falling as great ages came and went.
Ancient Mayans...entering the time of the 5th Sun
Hindu / Vedic...Yuga cycle
Ancient Greece...Plato taught of a large cycle of time, which would slowly return us to a "Golden Age".* He called this cycle: The Great Year.
Just as the day has light and day, and the year has summer and winter, so too does the Great Year have its Golden Age and Dark Age.
The expansion of consciousness in the ascending cycle is due to the Suns binary motion bringing the Earth closer to the beneficial influence of the magnetic center. The contraction of consciousness in the descending phase is due to the Suns motion carrying us away from the magnetic center.
Both the ascending and descending cycle are made up of "4" ages and analogous to the 4 seasons.
A dangerous time is passing when Mankind has access to higher technologies, but still harbors the material thoughts of a lower age.
The magnetic center or Grand center is thought to be in the region of Alcyon in the Pleiades.
The Magnetic Center or Grand Center, is thought to be in the region of Alcyon in the Pleiades. (group of famous stars)
The 7 sisters of Greek Mythology; Maia, Electra, Alcyone, Taygete, Asterope, Calaeno and Merope.
They are referred to as the "flock of doves" released to become the stars.
The Pleiades rose nearly "4" hours earlier than they do today for the same time of year.
9,10- Caroline Island, also known as Millennium Island, is the first point on land to cross the International Date-Line. It is part of the territory of Kiribati.
An island republic in the west central Pacific just south of the equator
Kiribati, located at 10º00' S, 150º25' W.
Location: Oceania, island in the North Pacific Ocean, about one-half of the way from Hawaii to Australia
Map references: Oceania
Natural resources: guano (deposits worked until late 1800s)
Natural hazards: the narrow fringing reef surrounding the island can be a maritime hazard
Population: uninhabited
note: American civilians evacuated in 1942 after Japanese air and naval attacks during World War II; occupied by US military during World War II, but abandoned after the war; public entry is by special-use permit only and generally restricted to scientists and educators
The current distinction of Caroline Island being the first point on land to see a new day is due to the adjustment of the IDL set in 1995, known as the Kiribati adjustment.
http://www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/idl/idl...20of%201994/95
11- The only calendar I could find that encompasses the Earth’s precession is the Mayan Calendar.* The most significant date on the calendar is its end date of Dec 21, 2012.*
12- Point-Caroline Island Time- Dec. 12, 2012 Choice- still up for debate but further defined in subsequent posts.
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Old 04-11-2005, 02:44 PM   #8
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(1)* *42
(2)* *Pit or the Pendulem* * *
(3)* *Our planet rotates and the Sun rises.
(4)* *Earth moves around the Sun and a new year begins.
(5)* *Sol and her Planets plunge through space
(6)* *destined for a rendezvous.
(7)* *The New Age dawns.
(8.* *The Age of Aquarius.
(9)* *A point in time and space.
(10)* 4-8-15-16-23-42
(11)* Space Time Coordinates and Frames.
(12)* The Singularity
(13)* The Choice
(14)* Terran or Cosmists.

1- The sixth and last of our “numbers”
2- Sounds like a choice to me…could reference the Edgar Allen Poe story, which I have not read in a long time.
http://www.poedecoder.com/Qrisse/works/pit.html
3- One day
4- One year
5- One great year
6- The alignment with the Dark Rift in the Milky Way at the end of the Mayan Calendar.
7,8- Pisces is ending and Aquarius is beginning.
There are a great many links at the bottom of this page that lead to quite a few interesting topic.* This link describes the different astrological ages.
http://www.greatdreams.com/ages.htm
9,10,11- Descriptions of spatial-temporal relations and motions are often expressed in terms of coordinate systems, which assign a unique set of four real numbers x,y,z,t* to each point of an assumed four-dimensional manifold.
Perhaps the four numbers being the four numbers that have the line below them in this link
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.ph...186&fullsize=1
10- It is not a date on the Mayan Calendar – you need only 5 numbers for that (and none of them can be over 20.)
If they are space time coordinates they require some manipulation.* You need 4 numbers to define a point in space time…you would need 5 to define a line…you would need 6 to define a plane in space time.
11- This is a great article, if somewhat technical.
http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath555/kmath555.htm
12- The alignment that occurs at the end of the Mayan Calendar.
13- One idea on the choice here, how far to we go with the creation of AI, which seems to fit with line (14)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A569522
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A273845
14-Here’s a link about Hugo de Gars from Tiberius.
http://www.cs.usu.edu/~degaris/artilectwar2.pdf
Professor HUGO de Gars in a nutshell
Artificial brains, quantum computing, quantum mechanics, creation of artificial consciousness, nanotechnology and the threat to humanity if robots become smarter than humans.
Putting a limit on A.I.Q., to control robots, would incite much debate.
Moore’s law is that the computational capacities of integrated circuits or 'chips' have been doubling every year or two, if it continues to 2020, it will be possible to store a single bit of information on a single atom.
Professor Hugo coined a new phrase.* Artificial Intellect = Artilect Machines of God-like intelligence.
Terran Hugo : But you Cosmists are prepared to take the risk that these Artilects, these artificial intellects may one day decide that the human species is so inferior to them that they wipe us out. Think of the cost.
Cosmist Hugo : Ah, but think of the prize. These artilects could be trillions of trillions of trillions of times more intelligent than human beings. They could have virtually unlimited memory capacity, a huge number of sensors. They could go wherever they like, do whatever they like, be superb scientists, they would be gods.*
The Choice is "Do we build gods, or do we build our potential exterminators?"
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Old 04-11-2005, 02:56 PM   #9
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from OnAonXM -
Tiberius felt it necessary to add to someone’s post (on the other forum) regarding "Teresa falls up/down the stairs" which I found odd because up until this point he only started threads and left them for people to decipher:

(1) TERESA??
(2) Trebuchet ends with T
(3) Admiral M. United States Navy (Retired)

1- Here’s a link to St. Teresa
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14515b.htm
2- Locke’s line to Boone
3- I sill don't have much info on this. see previous riddles
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Looking good. Assuming you aren't done, I'll leave you to getting the rest of it on here. Thanks for doing this.
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