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Old 06-03-2005, 10:20 AM   #1541
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Re: Our Thoughts on Tiberius

Might not mean anything, but I thought this sounded interesting. Reminds me of Kate a little.

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One-Eyed Jacks, a western movie
The Western movie is one of the classic American film genres. Westerns are art works – films, literature, television shows and paintings – devoted to telling romanticized tales of the American West.

While the Western has been popular throughout the history of movies, as the United States progresses farther away from the period depicted it has begun to diminish in importance. The recent (August 2003) Kevin Costner western, Open Range, is seen by some as a revival of the genre.
..... Click the link for more information.* released in 1961, is the only film

For other uses see film (disambiguation)
Film — also called movies, the cinema, the silver screen, moving pictures, photoplays, picture shows, flicks, or properly motion pictures, — is a field that encompasses motion pictures as an art form or as part of the entertainment industry. Because photographic film historically has been the primary medium for displaying moving images, academics often refer to this field as the study of film.
..... Click the link for more information.* directed by Marlon Brando

Marlon Brando (April 3, 1924 - July 1, 2004) was an American actor who brought the techniques of method acting to prominence in the films A Streetcar Named Desire and On the Waterfront, both directed by Elia Kazan in the early 1950s. His acting style, combined with his public persona as an outsider uninterested in the Hollywood of the early 1950s, had a profound effect on a generation of actors, including James Dean and Paul Newman, and later stars, including Robert De Niro.
..... Click the link for more information. , who replaced the original director, Stanley Kubrick

Stanley Kubrick (July 26, 1928 - March 7, 1999) was a Jewish-American film director born in The Bronx, New York City who lived most of his life in England. His films are highly acclaimed for their technical perfection and deep symbolism. As a director he was legendary for relentless perfectionism and an attention to detail that could alienate those he worked with (an example: Jack Nicholson, who worked with him in The Shining, vowed to never work with him again). Several of his films were extremely controversial upon release for their supposed thematic repugnance and stark portrayal of sexuality and violence.
..... Click the link for more information. .

It also starred Brando as the lead character, Rio. Other notable actors in the work include Karl Malden Karl Malden (born as Mladen Sekulovich in Chicago March 22, 1912) is an American actor, known for his bulbous nose and expansive manner.

Malden is the son of a Serbian father and a Czech mother. The Sekulovich family roots trace back to the city of Bileća in Herzegovina. At the age of five, Karl and his family moved to Gary, Indiana, where he grew up, after which he moved to New York City. He first appeared as an actor on Broadway in 1937, then did some radio work, before becoming a movie character actor in 1940.
..... Click the link for more information.* as Dad Longworth, Slim Pickens Louis Bert Lindley, Jr. (June 29, 1919 – December 8, 1983), better known by the stage name Slim Pickens, was a cowboy and actor.

Pickens, who epitomized the profane, tough, sardonic cowboy, was born, not in Texas or Oklahoma, but in Kingsburg, California. He was an excellent rider from age four and quit school to join the rodeo at age twelve. He was told that working in the rodeo would be "slim pickings", giving him his name, but he did very well, eventually rising to become a well known rodeo clown - one of the most dangerous jobs in show business. After twenty years on the rodeo circuit, his distinctive voice and drawl, his wide eyes and moon face, and his strong physical presence and grace gained him a role in the western
..... Click the link for more information.* and Katy Jurado Katy Jurado (January 16, 1924 - July 5, 2002) was a Mexican actress.

Born Maria Cristina Estela Marcela Jurado Garcia in Guadalajara, Mexico, she started her career in Hollywood and moved back to continue filming in Mexico. Her role in the Mexican movie Nosotros Los Pobres opposite well-known Mexican actor Pedro Infante brought her fame. She subsequently appeared in many Hollywood movies including
..... Click the link for more information. .

In the film, Dad and Rio start out by robbing a bank. All goes well until a group of federales catch up to them. After Rio's horse is killed, Dad goes to get Rio another horse, but flees with the gold. Because of this, Rio gets arrested and spends five years in a Mexican prison. The story is about Rio seeking revenge against Dad, who after those five years is now a credible sheriff.

The script was originally adapted by Rod Serling Edwin Rodman Serling (December 25, 1924 - June 28, 1975) was a screenwriter, most famous for his science fiction TV series, The Twilight Zone. He was born in Syracuse, New York to Samuel and Esther Serling.

Rod Serling served as an Army paratrooper in the Pacific Theater in World War II and was seriously wounded in combat. He suffered from nightmares and flashbacks for the rest of his life. Serling graduated from Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio in 1950.
..... Click the link for more information.* from the Charles Neider novel of the same name. Serling was replaced by a string of screenwriters

Screenwriters, or script writers, are authors who write the screenplays from which movies are made. Many of them also work as "script doctors," attempting to change scripts to suit directors or studios; for instance, studio management may have a complaint that the motivations of the characters are unclear or that the dialogue is weak.

Script-doctoring can be quite lucrative,
..... Click the link for more information. , including Sam Peckinpah Sam Peckinpah (February 21, 1925 - December 28, 1984) was an American film director.


GenealogyHis great-grandfather, Rice Peckinpaugh, was a merchant and farmer in Indiana during the early-1800s. The family decided to move to California in the 1850s to Humboldt County, California of California, and also changed their last name to Peckinpah. The family then settled down in the area to log. As a result, Peckinpah Meadow and Peckinpah Creek have been officially named within US geographical mapping.
..... Click the link for more information.* and Calder Willingham before Guy Trosper finished the final script.
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Old 06-03-2005, 10:35 AM   #1542
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Thanks JR! I'm not sure if this is going anywhere, but it's something to do! I've never heard of that movie before today.

One small thing I thought of is that playing cards show mirror images. Hadn't remembered that, but then I don't play cards much.

Four suits, 13 in each suit, and two jokers.
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Old 06-03-2005, 10:52 AM   #1543
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You're quite welcome, chelle. I'd heard of the movie before, but I've never seen it. And the idea of the cards being mirror images does make sense. Where's Tib?! We need to know if we're on the right track or not
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Where's Tib?!
I have NO idea. He was floating around here a little while ago, but then vanished! Tiberius moves in mysterious ways.
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Re: Our Thoughts on Tiberius

Okay, here's something we can play!

A while back there were clues for each character relating to philosopies. We can try to work on one at a time:

1. Jin - Cynics

Anyone have any ideas on how this relates to Jin?

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Cynics (sĭn'ĭks) [Gr.,=doglike, probably from their manners and their meeting place, the Cynosarges, an academy for Athenian youths], ancient school of philosophy founded c.440 B.C. by Antisthenes, a disciple of Socrates. The Cynics considered virtue to be the only good, not just the highest good as Socrates had asserted. To them, virtue meant a life of self-sufficiency, of suppression of desires and restriction of wants. The Cynics paraded their poverty, their antagonism to pleasure, and their indifference to others, thereby gaining a reputation for fanatical unconventionality. After Antisthenes the principal Cynics were Diogenes of Sinope and Crates, his pupil. The Cynics, who survived until the 6th cent. A.D., influenced the Stoics, with whom they shared some philosophical objectives (see Stoicism).
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Jin has some Cynic traits, but I don't see him as a true Cynic -- at least not in later episodes.
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The Cynics believed that living a virtuous life, which they also identified with living according to nature, is necessary and sufficient for attaining happiness. They disdained conventional values, such as wealth and social status, which they thought were opposed to living according to nature
makes me think of Jin's enlightenment. He went to see his father, a simple man who he had rejected for the life he thought was far superior. He finally learned that money and power, and the price he had to pay to get them, got him nothing of value in the end. With his father's love and forgiveness, he wisely saw who really had the better, more virtuous life.

Not sure if that makes sense.
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Twin Peaks connection? One Eyed Jack's - name of the bar
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That makes a lot of sense, chelle. From that point of view, maybe Jin really is a Cynic.
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That's the way I see it too. *He disliked what he had become and was trying to go back to the man he used to be when he fell in love with Sun.

Here's was another one that was posted with the Jin/Cynics one: *I should have posted to first part of the clue also:

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Alas, for some it is simply assumed

Jin * *- Cynics
Shannon * - * Cyrenaics

So how about Shannon...do these to correlate with one another?
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