I see that there's a similarly named thread, and I checked but it's not about what I thought it might be about, which is this:
Is there any possibility that Ben didn't actually kill Caesar, that it was all just nicely staged for John to think that he did?
And on the flipside, is it possible that Ben did eventually kill Penny or little Charlie, sometime shortly after the scene that we were shown? He does want Sun to tell Desmond that he's sorry...Why?
He either killed little Charlie, which is my first guess, or he did something that's going to cause Desmond to be separated from Penny and Little Charlie and then brought to the Island... where Sun will eventually be able to tell Desmond what Ben said.... meaning, Sorry for taking you from your family.
I see that there's a similarly named thread, and I checked but it's not about what I thought it might be about, which is this:
Is there any possibility that Ben didn't actually kill Caesar, that it was all just nicely staged for John to think that he did?
And on the flipside, is it possible that Ben did eventually kill Penny or little Charlie, sometime shortly after the scene that we were shown? He does want Sun to tell Desmond that he's sorry...Why?
He either killed little Charlie, which is my first guess, or he did something that's going to cause Desmond to be separated from Penny and Little Charlie and then brought to the Island... where Sun will eventually be able to tell Desmond what Ben said.... meaning, Sorry for taking you from your family.
Hi there I'm going to guess at this.. but my take was
Ben shot Ceasar but we didn't see Ceasar die and we still don't know who he is yet or maybe hes just dead and thats the end of him. i think they put him on to take the attention of Ilana who is the one we have to watch out for. I think Ben wanted to tell Desmond he's sorry because he shot him, and tried to shoot Penny. I also think he's sorry because he's back on the island to be judged so in a way i think he was trying to repent his sins you know? Did Ben and Des ever come face to face?
Des was shot so he's going to have to heal, or die. I'm wondering what else the island has in store for Des. i'd like to see him back on the island though
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I think Ben wanted to tell Desmond he's sorry because he shot him, and tried to shoot Penny. I also think he's sorry because he's back on the island to be judged so in a way i think he was trying to repent his sins you know? Did Ben and Des ever come face to face?
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Ben's done a hell of a lot of other bad things that he could've mentioned to try an show that he's repenting his sins.
I don't really know what to make of Caesar. The way he was rifling thru that Dharma station and didn't seem to be all that surprised by it made me think he already knew something about the island. But now it does seem like he was just a red herring.
About the Hume family, no, IMO I don't think it's possible Ben could have gone back and killed Penny and/or little Charlie off-screen. I think one of the points this episode made was that Ben has a huge soft spot for children and mothers. Seeing that Penny had a kid changed his mind. His whole expression changed when the kid came up on deck. You could practically see the wheels turning in his head as he looked back and forth from Penny to the kid, and then he quite decisively put the gun down.
So regarding what Ben wanted to apologize to Desmond for, I do think it was for going after his family.
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Originally Posted by Pelegrin_1
Ben's done a hell of a lot of other bad things that he could've mentioned to try an show that he's repenting his sins.
That's very true, but IMO that scene was not about Ben repenting for his sins in general as much as it was about Ben's regard for children--and by extension, his extreme horror and guilt over what happened to Alex.
And I think Ben only referred to the things he's done that he feels bad about, and remorse over: Alex, whom he did love like a daughter, and Desmond, since he nearly killed the mother of his child and besides, I don't think Ben ever had any personal enmity with Des anyway.
I don't think Ben feels bad about anything else he's had a hand in: not the DI purge, not the freighter dead, or anything else either. The idea is for him to repent genuinely, and be judged.
I see that there's a similarly named thread, and I checked but it's not about what I thought it might be about, which is this:
Is there any possibility that Ben didn't actually kill Caesar, that it was all just nicely staged for John to think that he did?
And on the flipside, is it possible that Ben did eventually kill Penny or little Charlie, sometime shortly after the scene that we were shown? He does want Sun to tell Desmond that he's sorry...Why?
He either killed little Charlie, which is my first guess, or he did something that's going to cause Desmond to be separated from Penny and Little Charlie and then brought to the Island... where Sun will eventually be able to tell Desmond what Ben said.... meaning, Sorry for taking you from your family.
Maybe Caesar had a bullet proof vest on.
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Pointing a gun at a man's wife as his son looks on isn't enough of a reason to apologize? That's a HORRIBLE thing to do.
Yea sawed off shotgun to the chest from three feet away...I'm pretty sure Caesar is dead my friend.
I think Ben was apologizing for shooting Des and going after his family. I don't think Ben went back to kill Des after his beating. Des and family probably split right after this happened either for a new marina or a hospital for Des.
The way things go on the island, who knows Caesar's fate, but in the "real world" he would've definitely been dead. I just find it kind of odd that they would have Caesar as a character in the first place only to have him get blown away so soon, so either the actor who played him only signed on for a few episodes or we will be seeing Caesar again in some sort of fashion.
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