Okay, so something doesn't add up here. In order for Daniel to have left Ann Arbor, Michigan, traveled to the Pacific Coast, and then traveled on the submarine to get to the Island, he'd have had to have been going at an almost impossible rate of speed in order for the timeline to make any sense.
Here's the transcript from the episode:
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FARADAY: Hey, can I get a hand with this?
MILES: Yeah, yeah.
[Indistinct conversations]
MILES: Dan.
FARADAY: Hey, Miles. Long time no see.
MILES: [Whispers] What the hell are you doing back here, Dan? Once you left for Ann Arbor, I figured you'd gotten rich, invented the DVD or something.
[Miles indicates a facsimilie of the DHARMA Initiative new recruits photograph that includes Jack, Kate, and Hurley.]
FARADAY: [Whispers] This is what I'm doing back here. When did they get here?
MILES:A few days ago. It's weird, huh? LaFleur managed to--
FARADAY: We don't have time. I need you to take me to Jack's right now, okay?
A FEW DAYS AGO????
So, this would mean that the Island personnel must have faxed a copy of the photo of the new recruits back to Ann Arbor DHARMA headquarters, where they then apparently put it on their newsletter, photocopied it, and then distributed it to their staff members, including Dan. This could conceivably have taken place within a 24 hour period after Jack, Kate and Hurley (and of course, Sayid) had arrived on the Island.
But then, just a "few days" later, Daniel pops up out of the submarine at the Island's dock. Holy smokes!
So, just how fast does that submarine go, anyway? What's up with this?
Last edited by Saukkomies; 05-03-2009 at 11:21 PM.
they emailed him that picture..then he hopped on the sub which was waiting for him in his backyard
Holy cow! This means that DHARMA had the capability of transmitting scanned images more than a decade before CERN first began to transmit images of exploded particles across the Internet!
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Originally Posted by Hunkyhurley
agreed - timeline seems a bit much. It also means that as soon as he saw the picture, a sub was ready to go immediately.
The other possibility would be that someone from the Island handed Dan that photo before he got off the sub. But why would he then say that the reason he came was because of that photo?
The other possibility would be that someone from the Island handed Dan that photo before he got off the sub. But why would he then say that the reason he came was because of that photo?
Maybe Dan wasn't exactly telling the whole truth? Not sure why though
Also possible that this scenario was not thought through completely- though i hate to think that way lol
Maybe Dan wasn't exactly telling the whole truth? Not sure why though
Also possible that this scenario was not thought through completely- though i hate to think that way lol
I agree with you completely on all counts, HH.
Okay, so maybe this is how it played out: Dan is getting his stuff together to disembark from the sub after an extensive voyage. Then someone happens to hand him a flyer that has the new recruits photo on it. This someone would have theoretically gotten the flyer from the shore already, and had just brought it back on board to show to people who were still disembarking. So, Dan immediately spots Hurley's image prominently portrayed in the center of that shot, and he is like: "WHAT THE HECK!!" So when he gets out of the sub, he has it in his hand, and when he meets Miles, it's the first thing on his mind.
When Miles asks him what he's doing there, he then says: "This is what I'm doing here." But he isn't really telling Miles the real reason he's there.
That's the only plausible explanation I can come up with.
But if this is the case, then why DID he show up?
And, moreover, isn't it remarkable that he showed up exactly the night before the Incident took place? He sure timed it badly. He should have shown up six months earlier (or whenever the previous sub trip had taken place). One of the big reasons his whole plan fell apart was that he just didn't have enough time to do everything that he was hoping to pull off, given the time restrictions.
So, it begs the question: how did he find out when the Incident takes place? He told Chang he knows about it because he comes from the future. But if that's the case, why did he wait until the very last possible minute to come back to the Island to do what he was planning on doing? Was it because he only had just figured out that he might possibly be able to change the course of the future? It's all very bizarre at this point.
So, it begs the question: how did he find out when the Incident takes place? He told Chang he knows about it because he comes from the future. But if that's the case, why did he wait until the very last possible minute to come back to the Island to do what he was planning on doing? Was it because he only had just figured out that he might possibly be able to change the course of the future? It's all very bizarre at this point.
I wonder how he knows the exact time. Even when Chang arrives at the Orchid he says "right on time" or something to that effect. How would he have that kind of information?
Heres my opinion-
Daniel learned that WHH holds true, nothing he can do about it. So he gives into it, sets everything in motion as he should, and that was his mission. He gets Jack fired up about changing the past and he gets Chang to evacuate ( "making sure your father does what hes supposed to do"). I think the only thing he changes is his approach to Charlotte- he tries not to scare her like she said he did.
Its only an opinion- likely to change when we are given more information. The other possibility is the exact opposite, that he learned he COULD change things. Ah, confusion lol
The other weird thing about the sub is this: there's only one submarine, right? So if that's the case, then we just saw that sub arrive at the dock just a few days before when it brought the new recruits to the Island. So, it's gone for like THREE DAYS, and then shows up again.
Just where does this submarine go to? Is there some nearby location where the submarine takes on passengers and cargo and just ferries them back and forth between the Island? Or does the submarine travel REALLY FAST between the mainland and the Island? Or is the sub able to somehow go through some kind of frikkin Deep Space Nine wormhole thingy, making it able to jump from one dimension to another, or whatever scifi nonsense they'll come up with to explain this?
Back in "One Of Us", Juliet was getting ready to travel to the Island when Richard gave her the orange juice drink with the tranquilizer mixed in, telling her that it would help her with the trip. Here's the transcript:
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[Juliet sees Richard pours a substance into a glass of orange juice]
JULIET: What is that?
RICHARD: That, is orange juice, with a considerable amount of tranquilizer mixed in.
JULIET: [Pause] You want me to drink it?
RICHARD: Oh yes [Smiles], you're gonna wanna be asleep for the trip Doctor Burke.
ETHAN: It can be [Chuckles], kind of intense.
I'm not sure where they were at, other than it was the Herarat Aviation airline terminal somewhere in the U.S. But I get the idea that the trip is a little complicated...
Yea - im sure the trip is not exactly like cruising the open sea.
That does leave the question open- is it really fast? really turbulent? or some kind of wormhole like you mentioned. Maybe they are drugged to prevent incidents like what happened in "the constant."
Somewhere on the 'lage ive heard it mentioned that they drug the people, and maybe they dont even take the sub. Like Juliet...once she was drugged they could have thrown her on a plane, train automobile or teleport. When she woke up, she was on that sub but whose to say she actually traveled on it ?Endless possibilities I guess.
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Well, though you'd think people would have gotten hip to this part after the sub came back so fast, I have a theory for the sub returning so fast part.
The looking glass has a moon pool which usually means a submersible of some kind would come up there. The people in aren't swimming out every time. I have the idea that the journey goes in two stages. A sub comes from the mainland and pops up or docks at the looking glass. This is why the people are drugged. They figure they came in on a sub, but they actually come in two subs...one to the looking glass, and then this smaller one to the dock. I always thought the sub was too small for a big trip like that. They could keep people unconscious for any length of time and wait for an appropriate time to send them onwards.
My model has them doing this in order to give the illusion that they are isolated, without actually being isolated. They are told that the sub only comes once every six months, so they think they'd better assimilate because there's no other way out.
piecar - i think ive heard your theory or something similar. I think you have it right. If not, there is still something not quite right with the sub situation
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