To start this off I'd like to say that I really don't consider myself either a Skater or Jater. I just like to see Kate, Jack and Sawyer all happy, and right now it seems that them all being haappy is Jack with Kate and Juliet with Sawyer. That Being said it is really ticking me off that Jack is deciding to hurt Kate this way. Not only is he throwing Away the past three years or so, he's forcing everyone else to too. People have changed, People have grown up, relationship's have blossomed and live's have been changed - Some for Bad but also many for the better. He got the one person on the island that would agree with him on his side last night so he feels that he is somehow vindicated in his decision.
This doesn't even mention the fact that many of these people had horrible exhistances they were about to face. For enstance Kate was going to prison. (Jack now want's to send her there.) John is apparently going to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair, Hurley probably in a nut house, claire giving up Aarron (not sure if this one would be better or worse). Think of how Sun and Jin have gotten much closer in their 100 day's on the island together, That doesn't look like that would have happened in the real world.
Jack just seem's to be thinking of only himself here, not anyone else. I am not a Jack hater, I actually really like the character but in this instance he's being a *****!
I couldn't disagree more. I believe that though Jack may have some of his own self-interest at heart, basically he is trying to bring people back from the dead and undo all of the misery that has happened to so many people. And though Jack doesn't know it, Faraday and Desmond have shown that you can retain memories from mulitple timelines, so it is possible to undo the physical events, but that the Losties may actually retain the memories and experiences of what has happened.
i don't think jack's thinking about himself at all. i think that he's thinking about that if there is a chance to erase all the pain everyone went through on the island, who died and who was tortured, that he should do it. he's not thinking about the whole picture and what everyone would want. i don't think he realizes that jin couldn't get sun preggers off the island. no one ever told him that. locke never told him he was paralyzed before he landed on the island, and rose never told him she had cancer. no one shares anything with anyone on that island!
the only thing he's guilty of is making the decision without the input of anyone else.
i don't think he's being selfish. he's giving up his whole relationship with kate. she told him she didn't like the new jack and he said she didn't like the old without her denying it.
You could put Jack and Kate on a New York City street and have them pass each other at rush hour on a Wednesday morning. And they would stop and turn, slowing to watch each other go by. They know each other within the context of a universal recognition. They have met before this life. And, they will meet again, in another.
I agree with the OP, to a point, Jack is about to reset everyone's life without consulting with them, true the 200+ people who died in the 815 crash will be alive, and everyone who died on the Island will be alive, which is a good thing, but look at the growth of the 815 survivors, Jack, as is his mo, is acting without really thinking, Kate is going to go to jail, Charlie will remain a heroine junkie, Sawyer will never have changed, Hurley will probably wind up back in Santa Rosa, Rose will die, etc. The people who survived 815, and then survived the Island, have changed for the better, and resetting the events that followed the crash is a bad mistake.
Oh and Claire, I doubt there was ever a couple in LA that was going to meet her.
You could put Jack and Kate on a New York City street and have them pass each other at rush hour on a Wednesday morning. And they would stop and turn, slowing to watch each other go by. They know each other within the context of a universal recognition. They have met before this life. And, they will meet again, in another.
I'm a Jack fan, but I think I'm able to see things without a bias. Jack is being guided by the island or at least he thinks so. If he makes it so they never crashed, he'll never get to fall in love with Kate, that's a huge loss for him!
the only way jack may be thinking of himself is that he wants to erase the guilt for messing so much stuff up
he is trying to heal the wounds he has opened.
but talk about a leap of faith-
to detinate a bomb, obviously killing oneself....
but talk about a leap of faith-
to detinate a bomb, obviously killing oneself....
I agree it's a bit of an extreme, especially since you have no idea if it will actually work, Dan did say in relation to his talk with Chang, that he was just trying to make sure he "did what he's supposed to do" who's to say Dan is trying to change anything, maybe the whole idea is that Jughead is/was detonated, and that whatever happened, happened, and who better than Jack to get something done, so you feed him this idea, that you know he will love, and he runs with it all the way to the bank.
I think that Jack should have consulted with everyone else before making such a big decision. Maybe it is a throwback to the "everyone wants me to be a leader but when I do they question me" (something like that). Jack is used to thinking for other people. It is hard to realize that people do not look to you as a leader anymore. Jack probably has not realized that yet.
However, I think that in his head, he is doing it for everyone. He is thinking about Boone and Shannon and AL and Libby and Charlie and all the others that died and whose deaths he can prevent. His reasoning is noble, in it's way, but he is not really thinking about the whole picture here.
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