Magic by definition is a non-answer. We were putting together clues that meant nothing and that is the most annoying part. The only clues that mattered were those that had to do with Lockes rambling about games.
Who cares about the answer to a mystery if you didn't really have a chance to figure it out? This whole mystical god vs. god thing came out of nowhere. I know people had looked at the biblical story of Jacob vs. Esau as a theme that had to do with the ongoing war between Widmore and the Others, but no one thought it was literal.
So until they basically undo everything we learned in the finale, this is the solution to the show as it stands: Two gods control the island, everything we've seen is by their design for a game to determine if humans have the choice to be good vs. the human nature to be bad.
If you are happy with this, then good for you. Hell you could've told me it was magic 5 seasons ago it would've saved me a lot of wasted time trying to figure things out.
What exactly did you think was going on in White Rabbit when a dead Christian was walking around the island leading Jack to water?
I thought it was something more compelling then the unexplained. But I guess you're right, it's just another ghost story even though they said it wasn't. But yeah they are liars, aren't they?
You do realize you're basically saying "it's so ridiculous do you really expect them to explain it?"
I thought it was something more compelling then the unexplained. But I guess you're right, it's just another ghost story even though they said it wasn't. But yeah they are liars, aren't they?
You do realize you're basically saying "it's so ridiculous do you really expect them to explain it?"
First, let me apologize if my question seemed anything other than natural curiosity on my part.
Second, let me say that I don't think it's a ghost story, at least not all of it, and I don't think it's necessarily ridiculous. I think the supernatural, religious and sci-fi elements have been there from the very first season, and, as a viewer, one should expect those elements to play a part throughout the story, given that they were shown to us from episode 1.
There's another thread on this episode board that asks the question what is it all about? and where I've written down my thoughts along with other people (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=114034). I think that's a more appropriate thread to discuss the series as a whole than this thread which is specifically for The Incident.
I will watch season 6 cause I've followed this far but this show now officially suck donkeys balls!
You have a few months to re-think this decision. IDK, but it sounds like LOST is having a very negative effect on you.
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[/font]If anything, I think this brings us closer to the answer of two of the questions that were posed in season ONE: "Why them?" and "Why there?"......From what we've seen, the answers could be (though not definitely are) Jacob chose them prior to coming to the island and Jacob brought them there for his social experiment, like he did with the Black Rock.
I believe the "Why Them" as far as being on 815, and crashing to the Island was answered as soon as these Losties began to TT to the past. These particular people HAD to crash to the Island via 815 because they ALWAYS have.
Jacob chosing to "touch" Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Sun, Jin, and Locke did not necessarily happen prior to these people coming to the Island. Remember, Jacob knew about these people by 1977. Whatever has transpired since the Incident is known by Jacob. He knows that these people will be the ones who wind up back on the beach post-Incident.
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I agree with everything you said Magic but there is ONE person left out of the Jacob tour of the O6, Aaron. To some degree Claire as well..
Only the people who are going to be on the Island to fight off Evil-Locke-Other guy were visited.
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So it's magic. ... We were putting together clues that meant nothing and that is the most annoying part. The only clues that mattered were those that had to do with Lockes rambling about games.
.....this is the solution to the show as it stands: Two gods control the island, everything we've seen is by their design for a game to determine if humans have the choice to be good vs. the human nature to be bad.
Not a big fan of magic, gods at war, spirits, etc. nor do I believe that's all that is going on here.......though I see how the finale may it appear so. I think instead it was just introducing the personifications of good/evil, faith/science, destiny/free-will that we have been seeing all along.
Now just b/c the finale introduced these two beings doesn't mean that all the rest gets thrown out the window....We STILL have an Island that makes Time Travel possible and have strong indications that this phenomena is possible not only due to the Island's "unusual" EM, but also it's nearly impossible-to-locate location (hint, hint Wormhole/Blackhole).
Aside from being able to propel people through Time and Space physically and consciously, it's location has this tendency to cause a Time Dialation (think Rocket experiment, Bunny, dead-Doc, strange helicopter rides, synched satellite phones, radio stations from the past, etc)......These things, although they may explain how and why Jacob is on the Island, are definitely not Jacob or magically induced.
Why couldn't Not-Jacob kill Jacob before??? What kind of Loophole did he find? What is "god help us all" this impending battle is about and why does it need to be fought on this strange Island and with what weapons?? The answers can certainly lead us away from these two characters and back to what we've seen and learned before their introduction.
So I wouldn't worry too much. Use the hiatus to read up on Time Travel, Wormhole, CTC, Time Dialation etc. and you'll find hope that there is more to this story than the Finale showed.
I agree with everything you said Magic but there is ONE person left out of the Jacob tour of the O6, Aaron. To some degree Claire as well.
I think this is what may be the WTH is going on factor in season 6.
I think we may see another off island visit by jacob next season to a pregnant Claire.
She's coming back next year, and to bring her back with out having a strong arc for the character would be pointless. They could just as well leave her off.
I think we can assume that it was NotLocke in control or assuming form of CS. The one that appeared in the cabin and in the island clothes anyway. That he led Claire away from Aaron and that Aaron ended up off island may be significant. I think NotLocke didn't want anyone on island to be able to ascend to any kind of Jacob position or Richard position and oppose him.
To look at all the references of Lost, babies not carrying to term on the island as of late could be similar to the killing of all male children, by Herod, to prevent Christ from growing up and taking over. NotLocke/Esau could have tricked Aaron out of the way.
I think the story Eko told Claire about Aaron's name, about Aaron in the bible being a great man, speaking for Moses because Moses had difficulty speaking, is another clue potentially.
I don't believe you bring Claire back (and thus Aaron as well) with out having some strong tie in to what we've learned in season six.
Regarding "magic", Arthur C. Clarke once said that "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
I find it highly curious that Jacob (and I think also) the MIB have arguably modern American accents. Could they be stranded on the island from the future?
I don't know, if I was Locke and I finally got to meet Jacob again, I'd be like, "Dude, WHO are you, and WHY is all of this happening???"...before I asked Ben to stab him. Or, I'd be Miles, and constantly asking everyone questions, since he seems to be the only one, that still does. Everyone else has just kind of "accepted" their fate, even though they still don't know WHY they have to. That's what drives me nuts about the show sometimes. Too many things are "all over the place" all the time.
I'm stunned, no offence!
Locke didn't ask because he is the Black Shirt Guy from the start, impersonating Locke?
The quote below is a great post, and really got me thinking-it's probably on other threeads already, but do you think Smokeyman/non-Locke was the Claire in Kates dreams that said 'Don't you DARE bring him bak to the Island!'
is Smokey afraid of Aaron/newborns in general!? Maybe that is a loophole of Jacob's own!
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I think we may see another off island visit by jacob next season to a pregnant Claire.
She's coming back next year, and to bring her back with out having a strong arc for the character would be pointless. They could just as well leave her off.
I think we can assume that it was NotLocke in control or assuming form of CS. The one that appeared in the cabin and in the island clothes anyway. That he led Claire away from Aaron and that Aaron ended up off island may be significant. I think NotLocke didn't want anyone on island to be able to ascend to any kind of Jacob position or Richard position and oppose him.
To look at all the references of Lost, babies not carrying to term on the island as of late could be similar to the killing of all male children, by Herod, to prevent Christ from growing up and taking over. NotLocke/Esau could have tricked Aaron out of the way.
I think the story Eko told Claire about Aaron's name, about Aaron in the bible being a great man, speaking for Moses because Moses had difficulty speaking, is another clue potentially.
I don't believe you bring Claire back (and thus Aaron as well) with out having some strong tie in to what we've learned in season six.
I just figured it out. John is really Jacob's "brother/friend/lover/whatever he is from the beginning of part 1. As Jacob says at the end of part 2, he has found his "loophole." I thought something was odd about John since he was resurrected. Now I see that Jacob's nemesis has used John as a puppet to persuade Ben to kill Jacob; much as he used Christian Shephard (or was it Jacob who used him?) And I think Jacob knew all of this would happen, and maybe even planned for his "death."
My questions are: what did Jacob mean when he said 'They're coming," and what the hell did the hydrogen bomb do???
even though it didn't make sense that a sensitive, impact-triggered bomb could withstand a massive fall and not detonate, only to explode later at the weak, poorly-leveraged hands of a woman that just fell hundreds of metres to her death - or not (damn you jacob - or was it the nameless man?). i suppose i'll just have to deal with that and all the other instances of crummy writing in the finale - if only the whole thing could have been even nearly good as the opening scene. i shouldn't really complain, because even though the storytelling and acting (in exception, of course, is michael emerson, whose performance was powerful and gifted as usual) was subpar, there was immense amounts of ground covered mythologically. not all of it was positive progress, though. in my experience, introducing overly powerful or important characters isn't a good move because all other characters and plot lines lose too much significance and all but stop mattering at all. so i suppose it's only smart that, during those characters' introductions, one of them is immediately killed and the other set up for the same. that is, of course, if the time flash in the final moment didn't wipe the slate clean and ressurect jacob and locke (the reason i think this is because they are obviously in a new timeline in which the losties apparently didn't exist - or died long ago - evinced by the numbers still being broadcast). really, i'm just looking forward to a no-nonsense, full-on 2 hour season premier.
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