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I don't know I wanted to like this ep, but it just seemed to drag on again. The discovery of the cave with names and numbers wasn't really much of a pay off. Sawyer agreeing to join Flocke and get off the island was anti climatic. The big reveal of a kid who seems to be of a higher power than either Flocke or Jacob seems dumb to start at this late in time. The flash sideways aren't working either, I couldn't care a less about the alternate dimension that they are in. The chances of Ben ending up teaching at the same high school as Locke is to incredible to believe.
I didn't hate it, didn't love it. The one thing about the sideways is that they are all intertwined even in a different reality. But it wasn't my favorite.
I don't know I wanted to like this ep, but it just seemed to drag on again. The discovery of the cave with names and numbers wasn't really much of a pay off. Sawyer agreeing to join Flocke and get off the island was anti climatic. The big reveal of a kid who seems to be of a higher power than either Flocke or Jacob seems dumb to start at this late in time. The flash sideways aren't working either, I couldn't care a less about the alternate dimension that they are in. The chances of Ben ending up teaching at the same high school as Locke is to incredible to believe.
I agree. This episode didn't do anything for us.
The introduction of the kid was weird. The alt-timeline was a bit of a stretch. Everyone showing up in everyone else's lives is, hmmmm, really carrying the connections concept to a point of absurdity.
I've given the other threads a casual perusal and I'm not feeling "the love" for the show as in previous seasons.
This season seems to be a bit off is some ways. I never thought that the show or the characters would be in the situations they are in now. In many many ways, the story is so unbelievable even in the Lost universe these scenarios are hard to accept.
I think Frank summed it up pretty well, "This is the weirdest ..."
I completely agree. I don't care that they all know each other in the sideways universe. I am rapidly loosing interest in the on island story line. Do we really need all these new things thrown into the mix? I feel like it's distracting from the things that made the show special for me in the first place : solid characterization and well founded intrigue. Also, the cave just seemed like an afterthought. Yeah, there's this cave and there are all these names in it (just last names, that's useful vagueness) and they totally correspond to this list of numbers that are unlucky/lucky, won the lottery, appear all over the island and off the island, and wouldn't exist in any knowable form in the sideways universe because that cave is under the ocean and the transmission with the original numbers wouldn't have existed because of the underwater thing as well.
I'm just frustrated. they have like 12 episodes left and we've gotten like 4 new characters, 10 new mysteries, and like 2 half baked answers.
Yeah, there's this cave and there are all these names in it (just last names, that's useful vagueness) and they totally correspond to this list of numbers that are unlucky/lucky, won the lottery, appear all over the island and off the island, and wouldn't exist in any knowable form in the sideways universe because that cave is under the ocean and the transmission with the original numbers wouldn't have existed because of the underwater thing as well.
I'm just frustrated. they have like 12 episodes left and we've gotten like 4 new characters, 10 new mysteries, and like 2 half baked answers.
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The numbers really threw us for a loop. I remember they were a part of the Valenzetti Equation and were going to be used to save the world.
Now they are a part of the Losties past or present? That part was confusing. We kept asking ourselves, "Just how much of the past seasons was not true or didn't happen?"
The introduction to the cave was weird also. It seemed like it was Ralph's (MIB) hideout instead of Jacob's.
Jacob's home was the foot of the statute, right? So this cave was what, his weekend getaway?
This episode had a lot of movement and action, but not a lot of moving the story forward. Maybe it was written to set up future stories. If so, it sure seems like a far-fetched way to do it.
Well, it was better than last week, but that’s not saying much in and of itself. I didn’t hate this one, but certainly didn’t love it either, which is why I am posting here- as usual. It had some decent enough character moments (like in the first two seasons) with Alt.-Locke struggling in his life as a paraplegic, but they even managed to screw up some of these scenes. I know he is supposed to be stubborn and all- that he can’t accept the fact that his legs no longer function as they once did, but he is going to try and jump off the ramp to his van like Evil Knievel, rather than call his girlfriend who is right in the house? Give me a break. At least have the ramp only a few inches from the ground instead of about a foot. Stupid and totally unnecessary. We get it already- “Don’t tell me what I…”
Then we have Man in Black cruising the Island as Smokey, checking out James rocking out in a drunken depression before spotting a machete on the ground. Then he turns back into Locke’s evil twin and goes to cut down Richard. Another stupid conversation that goes nowhere ending with I’ll see you sooner rather than later. But, we do see a boy with blood on his hands that Richard can’t see, but James (later) can. So now we are supposed to wonder why this is so? Sorry, I stopped biting on this crap a few seasons ago. Show me why I should care about this kid and what these ridiculous “rules” are or I will simply not care until you do. Kid: “You can’t kill him.” Woman on the beach tells Sun that the Man in Black is “stuck” looking like Locke. Okay… whatever.
This whole alternate universes thing is just so lame and stupid. We have all of these Island people somehow still connecting in L.A.- a sorry attempt at showing us this was their destiny or something. Last week we had Alt.-Kate and Alt.-Claire dealing with the possible birth of Aaron and then even Ethan shows up (just like in S1). We also had Alt.-Jack and Alt.-Locke discussing the philosophy of life- well, actually, death. This week we have Alt.-Locke and Alt.-Rose discussing how they have to learn to live with their situations, similar to when they talked about how the Island healed them way back when. That’s great. We all get the parallels. But Rose, back in S2, was out east somewhere when she met Bernard (don’t remember the exact city and don’t care enough to look it up, but I know it wasn’t L.A.). Alt.-Locke’s girlfriend says about inviting his daddy to the wedding. So, Locke still ends up paralyzed but his daddy didn’t throw him out the window? Or, if he did, Locke has forgiven him? After all, Locke and his girlfriend met in anger management classes back in the day.
They keep having these people’s lives mostly the same, but not quite, and none of it makes any sense. Why would an H-Bomb going off in 1977 change their lives? It’s utterly ridiculous. What, this was some cosmic shift in the universes that put them on a different path because Jacob never “touched” them? I missed that in my science classes, then- how one alternate universe can impact another alternate universe if an H-Bomb goes off in one of them. I also missed how the people in the alternate universe where the H-Bomb went off survive the blast. Then again, it is a universe where some idiot can turn into a Smoke Monster when he gets really angry- like the Incredible Hulk. Yeah, I guess it really is comic book writing when it comes right down to it.
Here’s a question that came to mind, watching this episode…
Since they have established that the Man in Black is the “entity” that turns into Smokey and he is/was Jacob’s nemesis, and Jacob’s “soldier” is/was Ben, how did Ben send Smokey after the mercenaries when Keemy blew Alex’s brains out? Ben mumbled some nonsense about changing the rules and went in his little man-cave, came out all dirty and Smokey attacked the mercenaries. Let me guess, Man in Black isn’t the only one who can turn into a Smoke Monster!
Lastly, we have non-answer answers and yet more questions. What do the numbers mean? Well, Jacob just had a thing for numbers. So now we know all the numbers from the hatch, etc. correspond to the six people (the “candidates”) on the ceiling. That’s great. They still don’t mean anything. Is it a ranking system? The big questions raised and reinforced: who is the kid and what are the rules? For a season advertised as enough with the questions and it’s all going to be about the answers… pretty pathetic, gang.
I don't know why, and I really love this show and was really looking forward to the final season...... but for some reason I am finding this season just incredibly dumb! I am exponentially losing interest and starting to just not care becaue of all of the .....dumbness! The "sideline" storylines are dumb and the on island stuff is a really bad rip-off of princess bride (see my thread from last week - you will be convinced!)
I think I get the feeling that they are just trying too hard. Characters are becoming characitures. Really disappointed so far -dangerously creeping towards jumping that Dharma shark! But, it is already done, so I will keep watching - who are we kidding!
I think I am just blinded by my love of Locke and Sawyer that I didn't really notice or care that this episode left us in the same old bewildered spot we were in last week -- possibly with even more mysteries to wrap our minds around.
Mostly what I don't like about this season (and the past 2 seasons as well to a lesser extent) is the constant split-focus.
At any given time there are 4 sub-plots going on. However, major focus isn't given to one or the other. Instead they try to cover them all at once.
This is futile, as you end up not getting anything out of any of them, instead of possibly getting something substantial out of one.
They need to narrow their focus, concentrate on one narrative at a time, and develop it to an appreciable level, before switching off to another one. This allows us to feel grounded, and more engaged with the story, even if that one narrative raises more questions. Instead we are left utterly confused and disappointed because of the completely disjointed explosion of several different narratives in our face.
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