Why do the others have conflict and sometimes kill people who come to the island?

[mysticdark1]

Ok so others follow Jacob and he is all about letting people come to the island and so why arent they okay with it? They killed the American soldiers in the 50s and shot flaming arrows at the time traveling losties. They have issues with the Dharma, they wanted Danielle dead, and they also obviously had many conflicts with the losties in 2004. So why the hostility? Jacob obviously brought them all to the island. And what was up with the other's list? was that really given to them by Jacob? because cindy was on that list and she is with smokey now.

[beema]

This is a big mystery for me. I've also been trying to reconcile it.

It seems at some point either Jacob decided to abandon his hands-off approach (although I don't know why he would condone harming random people)...

or

the Others eventually formed their own society, with no governance from Jacob, and since Jacob was hands-off, they were allowed to do whatever they wanted, which included being hostile to outsiders.

I don't understand how Richard factored into it, since at least in the 1950's he seemed to be leading the Others, and even though he knew the whole score with Jacob, he was hostile to outsiders as well.

[havok579257]

as shown by ben, ellie and widmore, the other's leaders don't completly follow jacob's path. they start to do what they want. that's where the issues come into play. when the other's leaders start thinking about what they want and not what jacob wants.

also i don't think jacob brought the dharma people to the island.

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Originally Posted by beema

This is a big mystery for me. I've also been trying to reconcile it.

It seems at some point either Jacob decided to abandon his hands-off approach (although I don't know why he would condone harming random people)...

or

the Others eventually formed their own society, with no governance from Jacob, and since Jacob was hands-off, they were allowed to do whatever they wanted, which included being hostile to outsiders.

I don't understand how Richard factored into it, since at least in the 1950's he seemed to be leading the Others, and even though he knew the whole score with Jacob, he was hostile to outsiders as well.

richard was hostile to the dharma people which we have seen do not have good intentions for the island or the hostiles. i question if jacob brought these people to the island. you have to remember that until the truce was signed, the dharma people were at war with the hostiles. what should the other's have done, let themselfs be killed.

[mysticdark1]

Originally Posted by beema

This is a big mystery for me. I've also been trying to reconcile it.

It seems at some point either Jacob decided to abandon his hands-off approach (although I don't know why he would condone harming random people)...

or

the Others eventually formed their own society, with no governance from Jacob, and since Jacob was hands-off, they were allowed to do whatever they wanted, which included being hostile to outsiders.

I don't understand how Richard factored into it, since at least in the 1950's he seemed to be leading the Others, and even though he knew the whole score with Jacob, he was hostile to outsiders as well.

Maybe the others leaders just didnt know what Jacob wanted, just like Ben. Its kind of hard to fight for something when you dont know what you are fighting for and then slowly your own desires will seem more important. Like bringing people to the island (Juliet) or going off the island to meet with a lover (widmore)

[beema]

Originally Posted by havok579257

as shown by ben, ellie and widmore, the other's leaders don't completly follow jacob's path. they start to do what they want. that's where the issues come into play. when the other's leaders start thinking about what they want and not what jacob wants.

Originally Posted by mysticdark1

Maybe the others leaders just didnt know what Jacob wanted, just like Ben. Its kind of hard to fight for something when you dont know what you are fighting for and then slowly your own desires will seem more important. Like bringing people to the island (Juliet) or going off the island to meet with a lover (widmore)

Would seem to be proving the MiB's views on humanity right...
Jacob has a bad track record so far.

I'm certain that Jacob was responsible for Dharma coming to the Island. The evidence we have been presented with thus far is that every other group of people came to the Island as a result of Jacob. Why would Dharma be the exception to this?

[MPmom]

MAN IN BLACK: They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.

Like always, Ben and the Others became corrupt and aggressive. Ben was power hungry and was driven by his need to be the Islands leader. He lied about talking to and hearing Jacob. But the Others believed he was getting his orders from Jacob. Ben didn't want newcomers because he had the Others under his thumb.

[NBC001]

Originally Posted by mysticdark1

because cindy was on that list and she is with smokey now.

Cindy's name was not on the list. There were nine on the list from the Tailies and they already had the nine before Cindy was taken.

Originally Posted by havok579257

also i don't think jacob brought the dharma people to the island.

Some of the DI were listed as Candidates
Chang, Lewis, Inman

There were three U S army men that brought Jughead in 1954.
Mattingly, Cunningham and Jones.

Some of the Others were also candidates.
Pickett, Friendly, Pryce, Burke, Linus (could be either DI or Other), Stanhope, Goodspeed, Martin.

The French Science team were also candidates.
Rousseau, Montand, Lancombe, and Brennan.

[beema]

Originally Posted by MPmom

MAN IN BLACK: They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.

Like always, Ben and the Others became corrupt and aggressive. Ben was power hungry and was driven by his need to be the Islands leader. He lied about talking to and hearing Jacob. But the Others believed he was getting his orders from Jacob. Ben didn't want newcomers because he had the Others under his thumb.

This is true, but how do you explain the Others' malevolence towards outsiders back when Richard was apparently in charge?

Originally Posted by NBC001

Some of the DI were listed as Candidates
Chang, Lewis, Inman

There were three U S army men that brought Jughead in 1954.
Mattingly, Cunningham and Jones.

Some of the Others were also candidates.
Pickett, Friendly, Pryce, Burke, Linus (could be either DI or Other), Stanhope, Goodspeed, Martin.

The French Science team were also candidates.
Rousseau, Montand, Lancombe, and Brennan.

Thanks for this. More evidence to support the idea that everyone (Dharma, Army, EVERYONE) who has come to the Island was Jacob's doing.

Not to mention Alvar Hanso more or less founded the Dharma Initiative, and he is a direct descendant of Magnus Hanso, captain of the Black Rock, which Jacob brought to the Island. So Dharma has connections to the Island through Jacob from its inception.

Yet these groups were in conflict with each other once they arrived. Seems fairly naive that Jacob wouldn't foresee that happening.

[havok579257]

Originally Posted by beema

Would seem to be proving the MiB's views on humanity right...
Jacob has a bad track record so far.

I'm certain that Jacob was responsible for Dharma coming to the Island. The evidence we have been presented with thus far is that every other group of people came to the Island as a result of Jacob. Why would Dharma be the exception to this?

dharma is the exception because at that time richard is leading the others and he speaks directly to jacob and knows exactly what jacob wants. if jacob wanted the others to join with the dharma people that would have happened. instead they were at war with the dharma people. not to mention the truce that richard fills out with horace.

this is not like when ben was leading the others because ben didn't speak directly to jacob, but richard did.

[MPmom]

Originally Posted by beema

This is true, but how do you explain the Others' malevolence towards outsiders back when Richard was apparently in charge?

Same answer:
MAN IN BLACK: They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
Always the same. Whether its the hostiles, the DI, or whoever.... they come, they fight, they destroy.