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The End (part 1 and 2) Air Date: 05/23/2010 150 minutes Ep 617 and 618
Written by Carlton Cuse, Damon Lindelof
Directed by Jack Bender


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Old 05-24-2010, 09:26 PM   #1
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Jack Died but They were waiting for him?

ok So ive looked for this question but couldn't find it so forgive me if this is duplicated.

Ive pretty much got my head around the Afterlife now, especially after the Bad Robot post, but what I dont understand is how was Jack the last one to be "awakened" and yet hurley, ben, kate obviously all died after him...

I get that he needed Kate to be awkakened so that he could be awakened and it kind of follows in that chain of events, Kate needed claire etc... But im just not sure...

I guess it has to do with Christian saying "There is no "now" here" but why was Jack last? purley dramatic writing purposes or am I missing something?
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:28 PM   #2
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Re: Jack Died but They were waiting for him?

I chalk it up to Jack always being the man of science. It took 5 years for Jack to wake up to the true depth of meaning of the island. Why should he be any quicker to wake up to something as massive a concept as the afterlife?
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:33 PM   #3
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Re: Jack Died but They were waiting for him?

Well, there is no time in Limbo. I prefer that over people's use of Purgatory, which is very different.

All of them were in their little created pocket universe together. The others were just the people Desmond got to. He went to them first. I am guessing he saved Jack for last because he thought Jack would need the most convincing. Every time Jack would get a jolt, being a lonely and logical person, he would immediately tamp the emotion down and not let the miniflashback ep play. If all of them did indeed create the universe, he meant to have the coffin disappear as it kept him from closure. And that's what he wanted.
Desmond came in and overrode his subconscious desire and set it up so the one guy, the leader of this group could finally come to realize that they were all together waiting to ascend to whatever. Shinytown. They were waiting for him to "let go" The man's a tenacious s.o.b.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:40 PM   #4
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Re: Jack Died but They were waiting for him?

The important way to look at it (I think) is that the Sideways is from the visual perspective of Jack. The ending of the Sideways coincided with the ending of Jack's life on the Island. It's not that he was the first or last of the group to die or was in any particular order. When he died, his Sideways perspective remembered the people that meant something in his life as he last remembered them. That's why Kate basically looked like how Kate looked the last time he saw her, regardless of the fact the clues in her rhetoric imply that she lived a lot longer after he died ("I missed you for so long"). We, as a TV audience, are given a metaphorical conclusion to show all of them after their death in one place with no specific time. Perhaps for those looking for science to explain it, Faraday's S6 notebook download with the side time parallel drawing may be an allusion to that.
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Re: Jack Died but They were waiting for him?

Right so they were all living subconciously in limbo no matter when they died, but once they were all there they began to awaken but Like you say, Jack always found it the hardest to believe in "blind faith" and give in - so Kate for instance, who im assuming died say maybe 30 years later, lets say for now, got to the limbo when she died and Jack was already there, but she needed to be awakened to be able to help awaken him.

So the others had to come first to allow Jack to finally open up to it all?
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