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Old 06-11-2005, 05:27 PM   #1
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Juice, the theory

PILOT EPISODE II

[INT. OCEANIC (FLIGHT) - DAY - FLASHBACK]

(Kate turns to look at the Flight Attendant.)

KATE: No, I'm fine with this. Thank you.

FLIGHT ATTENDANT: You, sir, can I get you anything? Cocktail? Soda?

(Camera moves over to the man in the seat next to Kate and we see that it's
Marshal. The U.S. Marshal.)

U.S. MARSHAL: Just coffee, Sweetheart. Black.

FLIGHT ATTENDANT: (flatly) Coffee, sure.

(The Flight Attendant steps away.)

U.S. MARSHAL: (to Kate) You look worried. I'd be worried, too, if I was you.
But you've gotta stay positive, kiddo. You know that there's always that off
chance that they'll believe your story. I know I sure do.

KATE: I don't care what you believe.

U.S. MARSHAL: Oh, I know that's true. That has always been true. You sure you
don't want some more juice?

(He turns to look at Kate.)

KATE: Yeah, I'm sure.

(Kate reaches down to pick up her plastic cup. Her wrists are handcuffed
together.)

I ask you yo go back and watch this part of the pilot again. Doesn't that seem a strange place to put that statement? I felt there was a spin on those words and started thinking about this. Here is the theory.

1. Kate was involved in a mercy killing. Whatever was given was administered in juice. (Now I think she knocked out the Marshal and got away one time.)

Why do I think that.

2. Kate has knocked out Jack by putting sleeping pills in something he drank. (fact)

3. Kate suggested putting something in the water to Sun, hoping that it would make Jin sick. Unfortunately Michael drank it. (fact)

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MARSHAL: Well?

KATE: I wanted you to make sure that Ray Mullen got his twenty-three grand.

(The Marshal starts chuckling and then coughs. Kate kneels down beside him.)

MARSHAL: What, the guy who ratted you out?

KATE: He had a hell of a mortgage.

MARSHAL: Kate. You really are one of a kind. You know, you would have got
away if you hadn't saved him.

KATE: In case you hadn't noticed, I did get away.

MARSHAL: You don't look free to me. (She doesn't look at him.) Kate, I'm
gonna die, right?

(She stares at him, then nods.)

KATE: Yeah.

MARSHAL: So ... are you gonna do it, or what?

Back to 1. The Marshal asks Kate to kill him because he knows she was able to do it once before.

I believe this is another case of "What goes around comes around." We will be seening examples of this over an over again.

We haven't figured out the Juice line with Kate but we did examine a bunch of stuff about Kate. I think Kate managed to knock out the Marshal one time, by putting something in his juice, and getting away. We shall see





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Old 06-11-2005, 05:34 PM   #2
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I think you are right about the mercy killing and the marshal expecting her to kill him as well.
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Old 06-11-2005, 06:10 PM   #3
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Love it!!!

She used orange juice for the mercy killing. That's why Lockes orange smile didn't go over too well. Well that and the fact she was pilfering hiking boots from a dead body. Still.....
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O my Sawyer! The orange smile means something totally different now.
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Old 06-11-2005, 06:29 PM   #5
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Love it!!!

She used orange juice for the mercy killing. That's why Lockes orange smile didn't go over too well. Well that and the fact she was pilfering hiking boots from a dead body. Still.....
Perfect. I was going to say there should be one more piece. I'm thinking that there should be 4 points to bring us to a conclusion. Kate may have also, knocked out the Marshal once by spiking his orange juice and managed to get away. The orange smile fits better.

Doh!!!! Here's the wrapper. It was part of the theory and I got so excited I completely forgot it.

4. So when Kate goes to visit Diane, who is dying, that is why she responds to Kate that way, because she is afraid Kate is there to kill her, because Kate did it before. (Out of Love, out of Mercy, Diane's not ready to go yet.)

KATE: Hi, Mom. Can you hear me? Mom?

(Diane's eyes open.)

DIANE JANSEN: uhmm.

KATE: Mom?

(Diane looks around, then sees Kate. Kate starts to cry.)

KATE: It's me -- Katie.

(Kate holds Diane's hand. Diane looks at Kate. Kate smiles at her.)

DIANE JANSEN: Katherine?

KATE: It's me. Katherine. (Kate starts to cry.) I'm so sorry for everything
that I have put you through.

(Kate cries.)

(Tears run down Diane's eyes.)

DIANE JANSEN: Help.

KATE: It's okay, Mom. It's just me.

DIANE JANSEN: (high pitched) Help ... (louder) help!

KATE: Shh, shh, shh, shh. It's okay.

DIANE JANSEN: (louder) Help!

KATE: Mom.

DIANE JANSEN: (louder still) Help! Help me!

(Diane pulls her hand out of Kate's.)

DIANE JANSEN: (loud) Help me! Someone help me!

(Kate backs away.)

LATER

(Kate looks at the State Trooper, then at Tom.)

KATE: Get out.

TOM: I am not letting you do this. Katie, if you cooperate, they go easy --

KATE: He's calling for backup. I've got to go. Get out.

TOM: You'll have a real life.

KATE: Tom, come on. Please.

TOM: No.

KATE: Now. Get out.

TOM: No!






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Old 06-11-2005, 08:15 PM   #6
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maybe she assisted in killing her father?

I missed this part. What did Tom mean when he said: Katie, if you cooperate, they go easy --
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Wow, impressed!

The fact that the Marshal would ask her if she was sure she didn't want some more juice on the plane. After seeing how he taunted her in the pre-boarding flashback in Exodus I thought he was just taunting her about the fact that her hands were bound. Now perhaps it has a double meaning. (They repeated that specific scene in Lost:The Journey although I think the network put that together and probably chose it because it is immediately followed by Kate's rememberance of the turbulence then the tail being dislodged.)

Totally explains her weirded out reaction to Locke's orange smile, other than it is inappropriately light hearted considering they are standing amongst the plane wreckage. And her drugging Jack and helping Sun taint the water.

The idea of Kate's original crime being an assisted suicide/mercy killing would totally fit IMO. Hence her "mitigating circumstances".

So, does Hurley and his investment in Florida oranges somehow link up with this? That is the only other random juice related mention I could think of.
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Hurley's oranges have to fit in . It was probably a Hurley orange in Locke's mouth

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I would think you'd be happy. Every one of your stocks is up. Your interest in orange futures skyrocketed after those tropical storms hit Florida.
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Re: Juice, the theory

Then there's also the subtle, almost constant reminder that Kate wears orange, she is wearing it in the scene we cut back to and she wears orange frequently. Were they giving us a hint? I think so.





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Old 06-12-2005, 01:38 AM   #10
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Sam Grant, you are BRILLIANT!!!!

I always thought her wearing orange had some kind of meaning. Now it makes sense.

And the orange smile thing....man, brilliant i say!!

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