Desmond's roommate was Calvin, John Calvin was a protestent reformer that taught predestination. Meaning no matter what we did in this world our fate (whether we went to heaven or hell) was already set. Could this have something to do with faith and giving yourself up to fate that Locke and Desmond seem so ready to do? And also Jack pushing the button at the end and taking 'a leap of faith'?
I hesitate to think that the writers would name so many characters in the show after philospohers if it didn't mean something.
Desmond's roommate was Calvin, John Calvin was a protestent reformer that taught predestination. Meaning no matter what we did in this world our fate (whether we went to heaven or hell) was already set. Could this have something to do with faith and giving yourself up to fate that Locke and Desmond seem so ready to do? And also Jack pushing the button at the end and taking 'a leap of faith'?
I hesitate to think that the writers would name so many characters in the show after philospohers if it didn't mean something.
Great observation!
I have to wonder: why would someone that believes in predestination feel compelled to keep pushing a button every 108 minutes - push it or don't, it's not going to make a difference in the end if everything is predestined...
I have to wonder: why would someone that believes in predestination feel compelled to keep pushing a button every 108 minutes - push it or don't, it's not going to make a difference in the end if everything is predestined...
But what if you believed that part of your fate was to push that button?
Calvin didn't say that people shouldn't do good things, he meant people should do good deeds and what not, and count on the grace of God to provide for them. I know its weird, but most religions are a bit tricky and center around faith.
Which I'm not saying this show is religious, but faith and fate seem to be quite heavy handed throughout it, I mean Jack has met Desmond before. This seeming coincidence is what makes him press the button, because at that point even he can't deny fate has some part in everything that is going on.
Having learned more then I need to know about John Calvin back in high school, he came to my mind when I heard the name Calvin last night. Good call...
John Calvin was a protestent reformer that taught predestination. Meaning no matter what we did in this world our fate (whether we went to heaven or hell) was already set
Don't confuse predestination (the teaching that God has forseen and predetermined the path of his creatures in his creation) with fatalism (the beleif that mo matter what we do in this world our fate is set). The 2 have similarities, but historical predestination still teaches that humans are responsible for their actions and those actions are causes that have their own effects and consequences.
That distinction could explain why a man of faith could still hit that button every 108 minutes, predestination or not. The final outcome may be predetermined, but his actions still play a role.
I'm glad someone else heard "Calvin" and not "Kelvin." I think that predestination has more to do with the Lost mythology than temperature.
I can't wait until Ana introduces the rest of the tail section survivors: "Guys, this is Valerie Voltaire, and over there is Manny Kant. The folks behind you are Nick Nietzsche, Augustine Smith, and Plato Jones."
Don't confuse predestination (the teaching that God has forseen and predetermined the path of his creatures in his creation) with fatalism (the beleif that mo matter what we do in this world our fate is set). The 2 have similarities, but historical predestination still teaches that humans are responsible for their actions and those actions are causes that have their own effects and consequences.
That distinction could explain why a man of faith could still hit that button every 108 minutes, predestination or not. The final outcome may be predetermined, but his actions still play a role.
Oh I totally know that, that's what I tried to clear up with my second post, but you're right about being commonly mistaken for a fatalist view point.
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I can't wait until Ana introduces the rest of the tail section survivors: "Guys, this is Valerie Voltaire, and over there is Manny Kant. The folks behind you are Nick Nietzsche, Augustine Smith, and Plato Jones."
Dude, I think you may be right, when Nick Nietzsche shows up I think we're all in trouble.
And while I think The Calvinism is good, look at some stuff about BF Skinner's experiments, explains alot also. a bit of science a bit of faith perhaps? Which can be found on this thread http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=21328
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Desmond's roommate was Calvin, John Calvin was a protestent reformer that taught predestination. Meaning no matter what we did in this world our fate (whether we went to heaven or hell) was already set. Could this have something to do with faith and giving yourself up to fate that Locke and Desmond seem so ready to do? And also Jack pushing the button at the end and taking 'a leap of faith'?
I hesitate to think that the writers would name so many characters in the show after philospohers if it didn't mean something.
I guess the only problem here is that the name was Kelvin, not Calvin. The closed captions clearly read KELVIN
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