Timing is all wrong for either Jin or Baldy to be the daddy-o
If you recall the interaction between Sun and Jin from the crash up to the exodus of the raft, there seems little chance they having sex during that time.
They were camped on the beach in the open next to other survivors for days, he was all uptight about her showing any skin, then things basically when downhill from there between them, and he hopped on the raft and they were apart until the big reunion.
The early scene from 'What Kate Did' most likely indicates the first time that Sun and Jin had sex on the island.
Now http://www.pregnancy.org/article.php?sid=1197 indicates that only the most sensitive tests are useful as early 6-8 days after conception, which itself may be several days after intercourse. Otherwise you need to wait until hCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin - the hormone for which the test is an indicator) increases to suitable levels.
Based on Ana Lucia's statement about being in the beach camp for 'over a week', that means that if Sun fell pregnant from the first episode of intercourse (it seems likely that they have been doing it regularly since then - consarn I am so jealous just thinking about how hot she is, but I digress...) it would be pushing it for the test to return a positive at that point. While it may all be feasible, it is just way too borderline given the significance that Jin being the father would have for the overall plot.
For baldy to be the father, the timing of the test is right, but the onset of dizziness is far too late. We should have seen this early in season 1.
That really leaves the possibility an embryonic implantation with complete attachment to the uterine wall within the last few days, which in turn points to a medical procedure performed by the others during Sun's recent abduction.
Revelation of this in due course would provide a good reason for Jack to do an early termination (assuming Roe v Wade is still good law on the island and Eko isn't watching), thereby avoiding the ridiculous situation of a plotline that takes years in real time to be resolved, and maybe providing the focus for another showdown with the Others as well.
Now if that's not excellent dramatic value for the 10 bucks that TPTB paid some intern to photoshop that crappy Widmore Labs packaging, I don't know what is.
Re: Timing is all wrong for either Jin or Baldy to be the daddy-o
Sorry to disagree, but just because Jin and Sun were having marital problems doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't having sex. Ask someone who is having marital problems if they are still sleeping with their spouse and most likely they will tell you yes. I know I have been there. They did not "separate" on the island until she spoke English so I think it is Jin's child from the timing.
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How many days has it been since Jin and Sun were reunited? It was episode of this season, in Collision. If the show is advancing two days per episode ( I think this is right ) then we are at least 16 days past their reunion. ISTR that the first nite they spent together it was implied that they had "relations" (for lack of a better word). Even if it took Sun 3 days to become pregnant (based on the time frame the OP listed, it can take 24-72 hours for an egg to become fertilized after intercourse) Then at the minimum, she could potentially be pregnant with Jins baby for 12 days. That is plenty of time to show a positive on a pregnancy test. Most pregnancy tests are extremely sensitive, and despite the possibility of a false negative during the first six days after conception, they do give positives a lot of the time during the first six days! Jack said that there was a chance of a false positive during the first week, but that was too strong to be false positive. Twelve days is certainly enough for the test to be that strong. As far as the guy who taught her English, at this point she'd be at minimum two months pregnant, probably gaining a little weight by now, and that test would have lit up immediately like crazy, at the level her HcG would be at being two months pregnant, so its probably not his.
Re: Timing is all wrong for either Jin or Baldy to be the daddy-o
Well, a couple things.
AL said she had been in the camp for a little over a week, so that is also how long it has been since Sun and Jin were reunited.
2 Reasons why the baby is Jin's.
1) it CAN NOT BE BALDY'S!!!!!!! they have been on the island for 2 months, Sun probably would have noticed not getting her period the first month and would have taken the test back then.
2) If Sun had an affair why the hell would she tell Jin that they couldn't have kids before because his boys weren't swimming? It makes it seem like she did have an affair, something she wouldn't have wanted to reveal if the baby wasn't Jin's.
Re: Timing is all wrong for either Jin or Baldy to be the daddy-o
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Originally Posted by NSchulman24
1) it CAN NOT BE BALDY'S!!!!!!! they have been on the island for 2 months, Sun probably would have noticed not getting her period the first month and would have taken the test back then.
2) If Sun had an affair why the hell would she tell Jin that they couldn't have kids before because his boys weren't swimming? It makes it seem like she did have an affair, something she wouldn't have wanted to reveal if the baby wasn't Jin's.
And we have a winner!
But her not having an affair does not mean that Jin is the father.
Re: Timing is all wrong for either Jin or Baldy to be the daddy-o
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Originally Posted by NSchulman24
1) it CAN NOT BE BALDY'S!!!!!!! they have been on the island for 2 months, Sun probably would have noticed not getting her period the first month and would have taken the test back then.
Lots of women don't suspect pregnancy until they miss 2 periods. In particular, in a stressful situation (plane crash, deserted island, marital troubles, hubby gone right after reconciliation, etc), it wouldn't be a shocker to miss a period and not be pregnant. Plus Sun is thin, and sometimes women at a low weight level will regularly miss a period every few months-- so she might be used to skipping now and then.
As for the dizziness, etc-- that is often just a result of low blood sugar or anemia because the baby's taking the nutrients first-- so it can happen at any time in the pregnancy. Also, from what I have heard, many women could not even tell they were pregnant until they started growing out of their clothes-- they didn't experience any symptoms at all.
You don't necessarily start putting on visible weight by 2 months gestational age-- on average, women only gain 3-4 lbs in their first three months. Some even lose weight- I lost 10 lbs in my first trimester (I couldn't eat anything). The fact that Sun doesn't have access to doughnuts, KFC, ice cream, and other comfort foods (Hurley evidently isn't sharing the chocolate) that are often craved would also point to a slower weight gain than is often experienced.
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I think Sun was pregnant, when she got on the plane.
There is a scene in Exodus when Jin and Sun are eating at the airport and Sun says , she is really hungry, that could have been a tiny clue that she was already pregnant.
Scene from Exodus
[FLASHBACK]
[We see Sun carrying a tray back to the table where Jin is waiting at the airport.]
JIN [subtitled]: Why did it take so long?
SUN [subtitled]: I'm really hungry now. There were a lot of people in line. There really wasn't much to choose from, so I just got some simple things for us.
Last edited by addicted2much; 03-24-2006 at 12:41 PM.
Timing is all wrong for either Jin or Baldy to be the daddy-o
