when kate calls the marshall, he said he noticed that morning it was the "feast of the ascension", and stated that a lot of holy days had passed since he last saw or talked to kate. this a reference to the catholic holy day commemorating the ascension of the risen to christ into heaven. i thought it this referance was unusual, althouth there are frequently references in lost to religious, and particularly catholic themes. several of the characters are catholics (eko, desmond, charlie, etc.). but i suspect the real reason this reference was included to give us a time frame to place this flashback (not just to show us that the marshall is also a catholic).
the feast of the ascension is held during the last week of May (the exact date depends on which diocese you are located in). i am thinking of kate's other flashbacks and trying to put this one in place. in linear time, the last thing we've seen from kate's life prior to last night's epi is the flashback when her ex-boyfriend is killed in the shoot out (i think). i assume that sometime after kate left her husband (are you really married when you don't use your real name) she went to Australia, where she was caught. i'm not sure where her flashback which shows her robbing the bank fits in. after she leaves the husband and before australia, i suppose.
i'm a strong believer that all the little information we are given fits together and there is no superfluous dialouge, but i'm just not able to connect the dots completely on this one. does anyone recall any other date markers in the flashbacks of kate or her companions. it may be a way to link her and sawyer too, since i'm pretty sure that the "fugitive out of tampa" that her husband says he caught the week prior was our guy saywer.
It could be the May before the plane crash. She had been in Australia for some time before Flight 815. Someone on another site suggested that she may have cashed in the Oceanic tickets to Costa Rico for a ticket to Australia.
I kept corraling around the ascension/holy days reference too. Thanks for expanding on this. Posted this link in another thread, and agree the time reference could be a key reason why it was included. If you're suggesting that flashback was in 2004 then it could fall on May 20 (Thursday) and the nearest Sunday.. Good job making the possible Sawyer / fugitive connection.
I also couldn't really find a correlation between the Ascension and Kate in this episode... Unless the angle that she's trying to ascend to another level in her life, in terms of settling down vs. running.
The marshall simply mentioned it to keep the phone call going longer. He needed her on the line long enough to get a trace on the call, thats why she had the timer, so she wouldn't get caught up in the conversation and have her location be found out.
Basically, the phone call most likely took place between May 20 and May 30, 2004.
Yes, probably the Marshal was trying to keep her on the phone. But this suggests that they're both Catholic, and they both know it. Odd.
Also it makes you wonder...seems like the timing was really important here for some reason...for example, if the phone call had taken place in early June...why wouldn't the marshal talk about Memorial Day and "holidays" in general, instead?
Yes, probably the Marshal was trying to keep her on the phone. But this suggests that they're both Catholic, and they both know it. Odd.
Also it makes you wonder...seems like the timing was really important here for some reason...for example, if the phone call had taken place in early June...why wouldn't the marshal talk about Memorial Day and "holidays" in general, instead?
I know, he could have picked most any other reference point. But he was specific in saying that many holy days have come and gone which would suggest holy days of obligation. Which like you said, suggests they are both Catholic. It is odd. So they had an agreement that Kate will call on each holy day of obligation? Possibly the marshall made that arrangement to try to further force Kate into being a "good person"
great comments. thanks! good point that kate probably cashed in those costa rica tickets for her australia tickets. that does help to place this flashback in 2004. so now, that made me curious about the exact date that the feast of ascension was in 2004 in the diocese of Florida, and what the dates of the HDO's (holy days of obligation) were over the months before that (since the marshall states a lot of them had passed since he last saw kate). i was able to find it on the web:
Fri, 08/15/03 - Feast of the Assumption of Mary
Sat. 11/01/03 - Feast of All Saints (was not an official HDO in 2003 in Florida)
Mon 12/08/03 - Feast of the Immaculate Conception of Mary
Thurs, 12/25/03 - Feast of the Nativity of Our Lord (Christmas)
Thurs 01/01/04 - Feast of Mary, Mother of God
Sun 05/23/04 Feast of the Ascension of the Lord (date of kates's call to marshall)
This means that it had been a long time since Kate and the Marshall had interacted since the last HDO before 05/23/04 was in January. What's even spookier, is that the next HDO on the calendar is 08/15/04 - The Feast of The Assumption of Mary (commemorating when Mary was "assumed" into heaven, body and soul - i.e. she did not die). Notice the numbers in that date.
Anyway, so the plane crashed on 09/22/04. As of the last epi, I don't know exactly what the date is, but I think it's around the first week of December (since they were on the island about 2 months before being captured by the others, and they've only been with them about 2 weeks). Oddly, there is holy day that week - Wed, 12/08/04, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Notice the link to conception/fertility. Is it a coincidence that Kate and Sawyer hooked up on or around that day?
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Oddly, there is holy day that week - Wed, 12/08/04, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Notice the link to conception/fertility. Is it a coincidence that Kate and Sawyer hooked up on or around that day?
Great catch!! Were they set up to hook up? With all the fertility talk going on and what with Kate having blood taken (we assume) when 1st captured and then being put in sexy clothes...maybe their getting together was manipulated.
This is the third place I'm inclined to post my theory.
I would think that perhaps Kate calling on holy days had to do with the redemption theme. I think redemptive forgiveness and a fresh start and peace with herself is what she has always sought. Conversely, it's judgement, punishment and her self-hatred she has always run from. The marshall represents to Kate everything she has done and her conflict is seen by her calling him on holy days.
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