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Old 11-16-2006, 08:30 AM   #1
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Mastermind

Don’t read this unless you like a good conspiracy. It may be a bit on the paranoid side. I woke up in the middle of the night last night possessed by the idea that Bernard is Him. That he’s the mole, and has provided the Others with beach intelligence ever since his group arrived. He orchestrated the Sydney logistics of getting certain people on the plane, and planned to accompany them to the island (to land, not crash). I think he's the mastermind behind it all. Here’s why:

- Bernard met Rose five months before the crash. I think he picked her because he knew she was dying. He targeted her, waiting for her in the snow that night to contrive a damsel-in-distress meeting. He knew she’d have little to lose, and maybe he thought the island could even help her. He married her and took her to Australia (honeymoon) to engineer the 815 flight and bring a select group to the island. This is not to say that he doesn’t love her now in his own pathological way, but that she was part of a larger plan, and the perfect cover.

- He got up to go to the bathroom and was gone for the entire crash.

- Bernard was in the tree after the crash,dry and pretty much uninjured. Goodwin was the one who “found” him there. I think Nathan also was a plant, either on the plane or from the island. Goodwin killed him because he was afraid he’d confess under Ana’s pressure. I also think Cindy was a plant.

- He could be
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the same Bernard who was dating the pilot’s mother
(from deleted scene), and that’s how he recruited the pilot. Or, the pilot was innocent and Bernard went into the cockpit to talk to him and did something to the radio. Then someone had the pilot killed after landing, I would guess.

- He got up to make phone calls at the gate in the Sydney airport. Who does he need to call from Australia? He’s a lifelong bachelor, so it’s not his kids. If you watch the scene in the airport in Rose’s SOS flashback slowly, you see this:

Bernard and Rose are seated at the gate. A flight attendent who I think is Cindy walks by them. Then there’s a close-up of Bernard’s hands before he gets up, and if you watch it slowly, it seems that the takes something out of a zippered pouch and conceals it in the fold of his ticket. You hear a zipper sound. He gets up and as he walks toward the phones, and the flight attendant circles and walks by again, but this time they brush past each other, and she has her bag in her other hand. There’s a sign right above them on the wall that says “Communication,” which of course could be a coincidence. Then she continues straight (towards the camera, not towards Rose), and later we see her return and walk again walk towards Rose. It’s as though she and Bernard had some kind of prearranged exchange (of whatever that thing was in his hand). Maybe it was some form of the list, so that she could keep an eye on the “chosen” ones during the flight, or something to short out the radio?

And there are all kinds of little things that seem benign but may not be:

- Bernard was fixated on the radio in the Arrow after Goodwin died. He kept monkeying with it until Ana took it away. He may not have had a way to communicate with the Others and tell them what was happening. Maybe that's why Cindy, out of desperation, left.

- When the sky turned purple, they pointedly showed Bernard protecting Claire and Aaron.

- He seems to understand Jin’s Korean.

- Rose said the monster sound was familiar. Had she heard it in connection with Bernard’s work at home (mini Smokey in the basement?)?

- He forgot Rose’s birthday – very out of character, especially for a man who knows exactly how many days it’s been since the crash.

- He gave Rose his wedding ring to hold during the flight. Maybe he planned for Rose to continue on to LA after he disembarked on the island and wanted her to remember him? Or maybe he has a wife on the island…

- The SOS sign he made. My crazy theory is that Bernard made the SOS sign on the beach to communicate a message to the Others (that Ben was trapped in the Swan, or maybe just that he himself was alive and had reached the camp). He may not have had an easy way of getting in touch with his people. Maybe he knew that they would see the beach on one of their surveillance monitors. Maybe the weird DOS prompt sign that we never understood was a signal to the Others that Ben would try to get them a message on the computer, or that he was "ready" and things were in place (literally a prompt command). Maybe part of the reason Ben came to the beach in the first place was to meet or to help out Bernard. Remember, right at the end of SOS was when they sent Michael back to get the three others. Maybe they didn't take J/S/K in THP because the pieces weren't yet in place. They were waiting for Bernard's "prompt."

- Finally, if you’re a Dante fan, in the Divine Comedy, after Virgil travels through Purgatory and the circles of the Inferno and reaches the spheres of Heaven (Paradiso), it ends with him reaching the final (Empyrean) realm (infinite knowledge, enlightenment, the indescribable vision of God). If I remember correctly, only a few big time saints, like St. John the Baptist and St. Mary, reside in the last circle, and Dante’s last guide is Bernard (the big cheese of saintly guides and the only one who can bring lead Dante to his final vision of God). Basically, in the spiritual journey to enlightenment, Bernard is pretty much as high as you can go as a leader. I’m not saying that this is literally relevant, but it’s a nice metaphor.

Maybe his name is Bernard Jacobs, and the original list was of the people they intended to bring to the island (if the plane was meant to land, maybe those not on the list would continue on the LAX after a brief layover. I can’t get a good screencap of his plane ticket – it’s in motion and blurred – but it’s possible that it says Jacobs. The second part says (I think) “Boarding Time.” It could say almost anything (Gate?); I can't really tell. But you never know, and the first letter looks kind of like a "J."

But then again, maybe he’s just a bachelor dentist with nice clothes and a Mercedes who met the love of his life five months ago, didn’t care that she was dying, took her on a honeymoon to Australia to pay $10,000 to a healer who was freaked out and couldn’t fix her, got back on a plane to LAX, disappeared right before the plane broke apart, and landed in a tree for Goodwin to find. He's just naturally the type to observe, listen, and not get involved. But he does have terrible teeth, for a rich dentist.

Sorry for the length!
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:54 AM   #2
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Re: Mastermind

wow this is a great theory, never would a thought, huh. Bernard does look very wierd all the time. I think when he went to the bathroom, he was contacting the others. And was ready for the plane to go down. the picture of the ticket does actually make out a O at the end. Or the name is very important, and Bernard is'nt the mastermind at all. And this is just a big concidence. Poor Rose, if everyone found if Bernard is really a dharma operative. I believe Bernard was dating the pilot's mother, and who would that be. Of course, that old woman in the "others" house. I guess we keep a "eye" on him more in episode 8, since 7 is a non island episode, from what i heard.

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Old 11-16-2006, 09:00 AM   #3
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Re: Mastermind

It's a very complete proposal, but TPTB have already said that Bernard and Rose aren't moles. Some have suggested that the catch is that Bernard AND Rose aren't, but one of them is, but I think that would be some very unpopular deception, on the part of the writers.

He was always an obvious choice, kind of a Kayser Soze thing, but I stopped considering the possibility when TPTB said that on the PodCast.

I do like the possibility though.
Oh, and the S. O. S. rocks. I don't really see how it looks like a command prompt.
However, I'd always seen them as a the opposite of Henry Gale's balloon's smiley face, i.e. : (
He started to build it just two days after they discovered the balloon story was false.
So that would fit your story even better. Bernard's message is that the Balloon story hasn't worked.
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Old 11-16-2006, 01:43 PM   #4
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wow this is a great theory, never would a thought, huh. Bernard does look very wierd all the time. I think when he went to the bathroom, he was contacting the others. And was ready for the plane to go down. the picture of the ticket does actually make out a O at the end. Or the name is very important, and Bernard is'nt the mastermind at all. And this is just a big concidence. Poor Rose, if everyone found if Bernard is really a dharma operative. I believe Bernard was dating the pilot's mother, and who would that be. Of course, that old woman in the "others" house.
That would be interesting! He's right around her age. He's also the perfect age to have been hanging out with the Degroots and the Dharma groovies.

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It's a very complete proposal, but TPTB have already said that Bernard and Rose aren't moles. Some have suggested that the catch is that Bernard AND Rose aren't, but one of them is, but I think that would be some very unpopular deception, on the part of the writers.

Oh, and the S. O. S. rocks. I don't really see how it looks like a command prompt.
However, I'd always seen them as a the opposite of Henry Gale's balloon's smiley face, i.e. : (
He started to build it just two days after they discovered the balloon story was false.
So that would fit your story even better. Bernard's message is that the Balloon story hasn't worked.
Hm. Maybe there's some way around the writers' denial, as you've said. Maybe he's not technically a "mole" if he's in an executive position or something. I'll bet he knows the answer to the snowman riddle. I think Kelvin wasn't waiting for a replacement, but for Him to show up with the people for the plan to be put into motion. I'll bet this has been in the works for a long time. And I forgot about Henry Gale's balloon - good thinking. Whatever it was, I do think it was a signal to put the next part of the plan into motion. He was controlling to the point of being a little nutty about the rocks being very exact. He wouldn't let Jin start on the rest of the "S" shape because he hadn't put three rows of rocks on the frowny part.
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Old 11-17-2006, 03:59 PM   #5
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Re: Mastermind

this is a cool speculation, if you had said to me 'bernard is a mole', i would have said no
but the way you've put this together will definitely make be go back and take a look at the flashback. very plausible - he's already starting to look a bit shifty : )
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:34 PM   #6
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Re: Mastermind

Bernard was not sitting next to Rose a black fella was.
There were 2 seats together available because Hurley got them.
Has Jack even seen Bernard yet?
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:58 PM   #7
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Re: Mastermind

lucky4me, I have to ask....do you love Shatner? If so we may have a case of possession Coup. I am afraid an we may have to call an exorsist.

p.s. love the theory. Best one I've read in a long time.
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Old 11-17-2006, 10:11 PM   #8
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this is a cool speculation, if you had said to me 'bernard is a mole', i would have said no
but the way you've put this together will definitely make be go back and take a look at the flashback. very plausible - he's already starting to look a bit shifty : )
Thanks, andy. Who knows if there's a shred of truth to it, but now every time I see him I see increasingly sinister motivations and subtext. Especially when he's with Rose, who's so at peace. I can tell part of him really cares about her, and you can see how conflicted he is, and how intelligent, just by watching his eyes.

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Bernard was not sitting next to Rose a black fella was.
There were 2 seats together available because Hurley got them.
Has Jack even seen Bernard yet?
Was Jack originally seated next to Rose? For some reason I thought he moved. I'm going to check. But Jack has definitely seen Bernard. They overlapped for at least a few weeks before JKS were taken, right?

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lucky4me, I have to ask....do you love Shatner? If so we may have a case of possession Coup. I am afraid an we may have to call an exorsist.

p.s. love the theory. Best one I've read in a long time.
car88, I feel so uncool, but I don't get the Shatner reference. Did I miss an episode of Star Trek with Linda Blair? I feel like such a goofball!
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Old 11-18-2006, 09:14 AM   #9
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Very cool theory, lucky! And I have to say I'd be lovin it if it turns out to be true!
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Old 11-19-2006, 12:40 PM   #10
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Good theory. I've long suspected Bernard of being a mole. Not necessarily HIM, but a mole nonetheless. I like the way you've laid it out here.
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