I also have to wonder how they would know anything about Sayid's time in the Republican Guard. It's not as though they kept records of who he tortured, why, and how...
Yeah. Apparently, the plane came down by accident when Desmond failed to push the button and yet the Others manage to get intimate details on the survivors lives? Can't wait to see how they explain this.
I'm thinking Smokie. He seems to be able to magically download people's darkest deeds.
The only major problem I had with this episode is the Claire sickness-bomb implant. Oy. It obviously works for this season's storyline, but it contradicts everything we learned in Maternity Leave in season 2.
The Others wanted Claire's baby. They were either going to kill her (according to Alex) or they were going to let her go (according to Ethan).
Ethan died trying to get Claire back after Alex helped her escape. But if they knew Juliet was going to infiltrate the Lostie's camp some months later (this is the ostensible reason for the implant) then why did Ethan give up his life trying to get Claire back?
Maybe they implant everyone with a sickness bomb -- just in case. A sort of "in case of emergency, activate hemmoragic fever" plot device. It would be an efficient way to control people. But I liked it better in "Escape from New York" circa 1980...
I'm thinking Smokie. He seems to be able to magically download people's darkest deeds.
The only problem I have with this is that the Others seem to be afraid and avoid Smokie. Even if Smokie does download Lostie's memories, it doesn't seem like the Others would have access to this information.
The only major problem I had with this episode is the Claire sickness-bomb implant. Oy. It obviously works for this season's storyline, but it contradicts everything we learned in Maternity Leave in season 2.
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The Others wanted Claire's baby. They were either going to kill her (according to Alex) or they were going to let her go (according to Ethan).
Ethan died trying to get Claire back after Alex helped her escape. But if they knew Juliet was going to infiltrate the Lostie's camp some months later (this is the ostensible reason for the implant) then why did Ethan give up his life trying to get Claire back?
This is a huge hole in the storyline. Maybe TPTB think we are as thick as Jack.
"You don't understand! You don't know the truth of what was happening...we were not going to hurt Claire, we were trying to save her life! So we strung Charlie up to die....and no don't ask any questions, cause you'd kill me if you knew, but don't you dare be mad at me for what you "think" is going on!! Don't get all moralistic on me, cause I know the bad things you have done in your life!! and that give me the right to act this way! Plus, we are really the good guys, you just don't get it!!! Duh, no I won't answer any questions, cause you can't handle the truth!!" . (additions)
Its not that simple...
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Its complicated...
Okay, I am getting a tad ticked off with yet again having a non answer scene, and the more I think of it, the more pissed I get....even more so for the "bored tollerating the children" looks we get from all the Others whenever the Losties ask a question!
That was a good 'un Semisan :-) I think even after a good episode we will always find bad things about Lost only because the writers unfortunately have turned Lost into a big spaghetti tangle!
Coming to think of what has become of a could-have-been-grippingly-beautiful Lost, I can only think of the words by Bilbo Baggins to Gandalf...
I feel...thin, sort of stretched ... like butter that has been scraped over too much bread
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The only problem I have with this is that the Others seem to be afraid and avoid Smokie. Even if Smokie does download Lostie's memories, it doesn't seem like the Others would have access to this information.
The only major problem I had with this episode is the Claire sickness-bomb implant. Oy. It obviously works for this season's storyline, but it contradicts everything we learned in Maternity Leave in season 2.
This is a huge hole in the storyline. Maybe TPTB think we are as thick as Jack.
About the episode with Claire in season 2, I agree. I also agree about the huge gaping hole with this storyline. I am glad that I only watched it today. The inconsistancies in this show are so huge, you can drive a truck thru it.
About the episode with Claire in season 2, I agree. I also agree about the huge gaping hole with this storyline. I am glad that I only watched it today. The inconsistancies in this show are so huge, you can drive a truck thru it.
This just proves they didn't have it planned out from the beginning. All they had was what the island is and the rest is made up as they go along. I wish they'd just admit it.
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All in all, not a horrible ep, but like many others posters here I am sick of the omnipresent reversals and undercuttings. TPTB should know that this trick should only be brought out for special occasions: if you do it all the time, people come to expect it, thus rendering it useless and making you look inept and uncreative.
The Sawyer/Sayid/Juliet scene was idiotic, but par for the course.
I'm not sure what to make of Ben's ire about being called a liar, considering that's all he does. I do, however, know that I'm thoroughly tired of the psychotic Others having no discernible motivations. Sure, they insinuate that there's a reason, but, seriously, 2 years of being totally incapable of understanding the major villain is ridiculous. Villains need to be either unseen (and thus mysterious and suspenseful) or they need to have comprehensible reasons for their actions. Otherwise they're just annoying.
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Hurley wasn't careful, he was flirting, and she joked back with him. It was a decidedly bizarre scene, as though Hurley had forgotten what the Others had done.
This was actually one of the scenes that I liked. I thought Hurley was just going to be his usual accepting, laid-back self (and apparently Juliet did too), but the end was chilling:
"The last one of you guys who came over here... Ethan... He kidnapped Claire and Charlie got upset... We buried him over there"
Undertone: 'You pull something like that, we'll effin' kill you too and bury you right next to him.' The understatement in that scene was nicely done, I thought.
I'm thinking Smokie. He seems to be able to magically download people's darkest deeds.
He does, but that seems to not be where the Others get them. Ben was getting Mikhail to get "files" on all the passengers on the plane, so the information was apparently coming from the mainland -- presumably from their own private investigators.
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The only major problem I had with this episode is the Claire sickness-bomb implant. Oy. It obviously works for this season's storyline, but it contradicts everything we learned in Maternity Leave in season 2.
The Others wanted Claire's baby. They were either going to kill her (according to Alex) or they were going to let her go (according to Ethan).
Ethan died trying to get Claire back after Alex helped her escape. But if they knew Juliet was going to infiltrate the Lostie's camp some months later (this is the ostensible reason for the implant) then why did Ethan give up his life trying to get Claire back?
I don't think it contradicts anything -- it just makes it make more sense. If all they wanted was the baby, why would Ethan be risking exposure by trying to serrepticiously perform tests on Clair in the middle of the night while she was sleeping? Rather we now fairly well understand the two things they needed Claire for: 1) They needed her baby, because the Others can't reproduce on their own, and 2) They needed a control-case to verify that the "Island Mother Death Syndrome" only affected the conception process.
I presume they gave her the implant just so they could use it if they ever needed it. After Ethan was killed, they put baby-kidnapping on the back-burner while they figured out a way to remove Ben's tumer without Ethan.
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This just proves they didn't have it planned out from the beginning. All they had was what the island is and the rest is made up as they go along. I wish they'd just admit it.
I don't think so. This ep made all the stuff with Ethan actually make sense. We now understand that besides needing babies to perpetuate their clan, they need test subjects to study the illness. And it also made good on all the season 1 references to Watership Down, which has only the difference that they needed females from the other clan rather than babies. If anything I think this proves that they knew this part of the story when they were making season 1.
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Con, con, con, con, con, con, con! And now Juliet is probably doing a con within a con. Can we please give it a rest?! I burned out on cons many episodes ago. Move on to something else! TPTB have completely beat this tactic into the ground. Just throw some dirt over it and let it lie... I'm really worried now that what we're leading up to is just one gigantic con.
Also have to nitpick an error. Juliet injected Claire with a syringe that had a huge air bubble in it. That's a big no-no.
Did enjoy the scene with Hurley. That's something we haven't seen him do before; the underhanded threat.
I didn't appreciate the fact that throughout this entire show, Jack has been the responsible leader that looks out for the good of the group, even when things get unbelievable (whihc is happening more and more), now he loses his chance to get off the island and how does he react? He's now trusting a woman who held him prisoner and is putting everyone else in danger.
A little too much of a 180 in character, I think.
Also, I was excited about a Juliette backstory...but it was rushed through and answered no questions. Who cares that she was sleeping with the Tailies infiltrator? Why do we need to see the beginning of "Tale of Two Cities"?
And why did Sayid and Sawyer all of a sudden lose their balls?
I also find it hard to believe that no one in the camp would have sat down with Juliette and made her answer questions before even letting her set foot on the beach. That;s just common sense.
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