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Man of Science, Man of Faith Air Date: 09/21/2005 60 minutes EP: 201
Written by Damon Lindelof
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:48 AM   #41
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

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Uh--no. "Flasher" in the USA means someone who, um, exposes his/her birthday suit to people. You might wanna try a different term. . . .
I think Liplocked is well aware of that...

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For all my believing Jack has to learn to let go – I always had an inkling his No Surrender, No Retreat mentality might prove his salvation. Looks like it’s time has come. I hope so.
All he needs is the smallest inkling of hope that he can go back and that it can be changed and he will pull himself out of the proverbial ditch the same way Locke did after his attempted suicide. He just needs a Walt, the chance Locke was given.
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What the future holds for John I’m less sure about; if his destiny is real – it mightn’t be pleasant; subsumation (don’t like subsumption – sounds oily) by the island perhaps. Almost the best I could hope for him is that at some point he realises his destiny has been fulfilled in the assisting of someone else… and he can step down. But I think he’ll cop at a full run.
I agree. For some reason, I think both Jack and Locke will die at the very end, but the way I see it, they won't leave us adoring fangirls unconsoled. Each man will find his purpose and fulfill his "destiny". I don't believe in fate, but the writers do so I think they'll close the circle for both Jack and Locke. They're the backbone of the show and I think they will be the bookend. Of course, I won't complain if they also happen to survive the catharsis.
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He’s fragile when he wavers, if the next Big Thing doesn’t come along to fire his passion… he may just blink out.


Yes. And that's a little bit scary.

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Old 09-22-2007, 01:31 PM   #42
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

Ack! NOW I remember - Tracy sings the word 'Flasher' in Hairspray's, Good Morning Baltimore (<-- I like this - looks like I'm averting my eyes) If I'd remembered that before now I wouldn't have had to ask STH.

Claudia's right - this is an instance where we Britons and Americans aren't seperated by a common language.

Perhaps Des was the unfortunate victim of a uniform malfunction? it's windy in the Highlands and when a man's wearing a kilt... horror of horrors! ye dinae think he was caught with something worn under it do ye? That would earn a man a court martial.

Loved Des from the get go: his mysterious introduction wild eyes and shattering "You" reveal, built upon later with his doing a bunk and return mellowed out and seemingly benign. Then morphing again into spooky soothsaying, head cracking, lover jilter.... I'm excited to see where we're taken next.
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Old 09-22-2007, 10:45 PM   #43
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

As long as Desmond's there, it'll be all right! (I hope! )
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:14 PM   #44
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

disregard, haha
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:13 AM   #45
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

That song " Make your own kind of music" at the beginning was brilliant! The first time I ever heard it and the song has been haunting me ever since in a good way).
Desmond is a brilliant character and I'm glad he returned at the end of season 2. I had been wondering about him for the whole season - after he just ran off.

I want Jack and Locke to live happily ever after.
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:55 PM   #46
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

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Re Des's abilities, I was so struck in this ep by his two "prophetic" statements to Jack: that Sarah was fixed, and that he would see Jack "in another life".
I just commented about this in the thread for "...In Translation." In that episode, Locke told Shannon that everyone got a new life on the Island and she should begin hers. In "Tabula Rasa," Jack tells Kate that it didn't matter who they were before the crash, they all got a new start. This seems to go along with that theme. The Island offers Jack a new life, one in which he could possibly become a Man of Faith.
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Old 07-13-2008, 04:11 PM   #47
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

How appropriate the title is! Jack vs Locke. Science vs Faith. I had this debate in Literature class last week, so this debate is fresh in my mind.

Is Walt appearing to Shannon an apparition or a manisfestation of the island?
Also, notice that everytime there is a whisper, an apparition appears to someone.

I love Jack taking control again this episode!

Kate is not like any other woman. She is brave! No other woman would dare to be the first to climb down the hatch to explore the unknown.

The flashbacks- in retrospect, had Jack known that Sarah was going to cheat on him after they got married, I don’t think he would’ve saved her If I were Jack, I would’ve saved Adam Rutherford- simply because Adam had a family. This decision of Jack’s indirectly ruined Shannon’s life.
But I did like the scene when Jack told Sarah that he failed to fix her, and she was paralyzed from the wait down. But when Sarah could wiggle her toes and had sensation on her legs, both of them cried. It was such a touching moment!
One characteristic of Jack that I notice in his flashbacks is that he is a very straightforward doctor. He tells his patients their prognosis as it is, no sugarcoating. Even at the expense of hurting the patient’s feelings.

It’s so obvious that Jack has feelings for Kate. Or else he wouldn’t have returned to the hatch.

Another relationship worth noting about this episode- Jack and Desmond. Jack first met Desmond when they were running up the stairs in the stadium. Of course he was shocked to meet Desmond again in the hatch.
I didn’t like the Desmond I saw in this episode. (I like him in seasons 3 and 4 though) Rude, hostile, suspicious of others. He seemed like he had been down there at the hatch forever. Maybe he hasn’t been in contact with another human for quite some time which explains his behaviour?
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:30 AM   #48
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

Now that we know about Des and his 'special'ness I think we are going to fnd out that the Des/Jack meeting was not a flashback for Des but a flashforward while still being possibly a flashback for Jack.

I wonder if Des's advice to Jack " Lift it/her? up" is going to be significant at some point this season or next ?
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:00 PM   #49
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

I've always believed Locke will be the man of Science before this is all said and done
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Old 02-21-2009, 10:05 AM   #50
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Re: LOST Rewind: "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

For the commentary for this episode, the speakers (can't remember who it is? Darlton?) say that they always meant for the title to refer only to Jack as both a man of science and a man of faith.
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