"Colour has taken possession of me; no longer do I have to chase after
it. I know that it has hold of me forever . . . Colour and I are one."
- Paul Klee
So, what is this thread about? Put simply, Colour in Lost.
Our theory is that the Writers are using Colour as a clue, in the same way they might be using Literary Works or Names.
Within that there are different ideas, the first of which was my suggestion that each Colour had a meaning. These meanings then developed, expanded and changed.
As things stand :
Red is Deception
Blue is Safety, Health
Orange is Danger
Green is Life and Death
Purple is Love
There is also a small group of us who think that Lost might be about Powers. But realistic ones - think "Unbreakable", or Desmond's ability that we've already been shown. And so, there's also the idea that these Colours might correspond to groups with a certain Power or Losties that often wear Blue and Red, for example, might be reflecting certain Powers they possess.
In that sense :
Red is Perception (Desmond's clairvoyance, Sayid's ability to spot lies)
Blue is Healing (Jack, obviously, perhaps Juliet too)
Orange is Luck (Hurley's ability to bend probability)
Green is Nature (Locke's tracking and hunting, Jin's fishing, Sun's botany)
Pink and Purple as Powers, (not quite) a total guess, but I think will be about Space and Time.
There's a WebSite ( Lucidity.es) with examples of all of this and is well worth checking out if you haven't already. It's a bit stagnant at the moment, but once S4 kicks off, there'll be a section for each ep and it'll all be updated constantly.
And, of course, there's the first Sewing Kit thread ( The Sewing Kit) with the first 2000 posts. And what better time to thank everyone for contributing so much.
I just finished typing and posting a comment or two in the old thread and then I saw, "This thread is closed!" Now, I get what's going on!
To continue the discussion here, in the new thread...
I think that there's got to be some "bleedover" between loops or we wouldn't have that much drama or, for that matter, any clues as to what's going on. Take Jack's knuckles, for example, and Sawyer's comments from the first season, "I've wished for this for four years!" Personally, I think that these are two examples of some kind of bleedover between loops. I don't know how much time goes on between loops or what it takes to trigger another loop, but I definitely think that there's something "loopy" going on.
Also, on the subject of what and who's real...
What if Jack and Kate are the only real people? Actually, I think that there's a few more real people on the Island than that, but again, there's something strange going on along those lines and I'd say that we all think that things aren't as they seem. Along these lines, maybe only the Losties that make it off of the Island are real. I don't know. There's a purpose behind all of this, but I can't put my finger on it.
There's got to be a reason why Jack and Kate where seen after the crash away from everyone else. What is it? I know that there have been a lot of theories out there for that question, but I think that it's a key issue. We know that they both were in white when we first see them, but what else makes the fact that they were seperate from everyone else seem important?
Also...did anyone else read the ideas posted by someone (I forget who...) that compared the fbs that were on the plane? This person realized that Jack's, Kate's and Charlie's fbs were somewhat different than each other. Sam said that the way that the stewardess said that everyone needed to fasten their seatbelts right before the crash was different in each of the character's fb. Also, someone else said that we didn't see everyone in all the fbs on the plane - and why not? Just a passing glance of each main character? Nope. Maybe, Sam might remember who was in what fb...
Perhaps that's where your comment on Suds' thread comes into things : why did Ben say that every LIVING person on the Island would die if Jack made that call.
It was never very popular as a thread, but I'm still pretty convinced by the idea I put forward in 108 Days.
Here's the basis of it :
Quote:
Phase 1 (4 days) : Day 1 to 4
Phase 2 (8 days) : Day 5 to 12
Phase 3 (15 days) : Day 13 to 27
Phase 4 (16 days) : Day 28 to 43
Phase 5 (23 days) : Day 44 to 66
Phase 6 (42 days) : Day 67 to 108
Day 1 >
Arrival.
Day 5 >
Jack has first Island Vision, and Smokey does its first "Reading" of Locke.
Day 13 >
Sayid hears the first Whispers.
Day 28 >
Nothing clear, but Day 27 ended the Claire saga / Phase.
Day 44 >
Enter the Hatch, Raft leaves and Walt is taken.
Day 67 >
System Failure, Pala Ferry with the Others, etc.
So, in accordance with that structure, the idea would be that the Losties have to try to make it to Day 108, as opposed to everything automatically looping every 108th day.
As of Looking Glass they're on Day 93.
So, what qualifies as "making it to the 108th day"? One survivor? If everyone dies by that day, the loop starts again? This is very interesting, but how do you think that the mechanics of it work?
That's the problem, because no-one ever really got into the idea it was never fully "hashed out". But, off the top of my head, there could be a specific event that happens on Day 108 that enables them to break the cycle. And I think that whatever that event is it will involve Jack "lifting it up", as per Desmond's Past / Future instructions.
Luc, I don't know if it really fits into your theory of a 108-day loop, but a few days ago I was poking around on a (well known, I admit it) site lately, where somebody figured out an interesting to read theory about why Lost is a game.
Not that I think you'll agree to the theory, but if I remember correctly, the person who wrote that site also split the whole stay on the island up into six phases, or levels as he calls them. Just thought you might be interested to check his phases and compare them to the ones you figured out. If I remember correctly, he didn't base his separation on the numbers, but onsomething else...beats me right now.
Of course it might also have been the Wolf in Sheep's clothing thread where I read about this the first time, so you might already know it.
Just thought you might be curious
Kerstin
I checked out the screencaps from the Pilot. Jack also has scratches on the left and right sides of his face. He has cuts on his back. The cuts on his hands.
Cuts on hands right after the fight with Ben. No cuts on face after the fight. Presumably no cuts on his back. Cuts on his hand later in the episode.
Check out this picture again of Jack's hands in the pilot. On his left hand there appears to be cuts on 3-4 knuckes. There are also scratches on the fingers on the left hand.
Back to the cuts on the hands right after the fight. On the left hand only one knuckle appears to be injured.
IMHO, the cuts on the hands after the fight do NOT match the cuts on the hand in the Pilot episode. The left hand actually looks totally different TO ME.
In the Pilot Jack also has injuries to his face and back that he did NOT get in his fight with Ben.
Granted the injuries to Jack in the Pilot could have been fake, but using the screencaps I have to conclude that the injuries do NOT support any kind of loop.
The thing with Jack's cuts is that they're rather unusual. Split or bruised knuckles is invariably the result of punching, and that makes little sense as the result of a planecrash. Yes, there are other wounds visible in the Pilot that clearly weren't caused by his punch-up with Ben, but it WOULD explain the strange knuckle injuries.
But please remember, rt, no-one is claiming this evidence is conclusive or ANYTHING like it. We're just knocking around some possibilities during the long wait for S4.
So, in accordance with that structure, the idea would be that the Losties have to try to make it to Day 108, as opposed to everything automatically looping every 108th day. As of Looking Glass they're on Day 93.
Luc, you know I had some issues with the 108 day loop thing. BUT I'll assume there is some sort of 108 day loop going on.
The 108 days came from the timer in the hatch........right?
When 108 minutes expired, bad things happened.
I wonder if that would hold true for any 108 day loop (just trying to make the anology line up)? When 108 days expire, bad things will happen. What if the Losties have to NOT make it to day 108 so bad things will not happen? Maybe something (freighter people?) has to happen BEFORE day 108?
Like I said before, I don't really have anything too clear on the 108 Days thing. I liked the idea of a loop, and certain things added up in that sense, and I just thought 108 Days would be cool. The idea of the phases was something I had suggested on my Hatch Computer thread for phases of the 108 Minute countdown, and it suddenly occurred to me to apply the same idea to days, and although not many agree with me, I think the events that happen on certain days adds up a little too well to rule it out as coinicdence. But from that point, I really don't have too much more in mind.
But I also think it's interesting that if each ep is a day, S4 could very well end on Day 108.
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