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Ji Yeon Air Date: 3/13/2008 60 minutes EP: 407
Written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz
Directed by Stephen Semel


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10 - Excellent Episode!!! 38 11.55%
9 74 22.49%
8 90 27.36%
7 54 16.41%
6 33 10.03%
5 14 4.26%
4 12 3.65%
3 6 1.82%
2 3 0.91%
1 - Very Bad Episode. 5 1.52%
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:38 PM   #21
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Re: Rate the Episode!!!

Gave this episode a 7, and that's adding two points--one point just to see Michael's face again, and one point for Sun's grave scene. This is the first episode of the season that I gave a rating of 8 or less.

I enjoy watching Sunjin and Daniel on the screen, but too often I don't feel they get good stories. Tonight's on-island story just did not work for me. It boiled down to: Sun decides against all reason to go to Locke's camp. In the end, she decides to stay on the beach. What a waste of time. A Bernard\Jin fishing expedition? Could Bernard have been a little more profound? Oh, and Jin taking responsibility for Sun's affair because he was emotionally distant was noble, but sickening.

I was spoiled for the off-island Jin\Sun thing, so I can't really comment on that only to say that the grave scene with Sun was moving. I really enjoyed seeing Harold on the screen, even if it was only for a minute or so. It was like seeing an old friend.

When the writers' strike was over, the initial plan was to stop for a break after this episode. Then, the decision was made to show all eight completed episodes before the break. I can only say that I am happy I don't have to wait another month for an episode of Lost after this let-down.

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Old 03-13-2008, 11:39 PM   #22
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Solders in a war aren't murderers.

And you don't go on killing people based on visions.
What about the vision of peace that soldiers who enlist themselves hold as something worth fighting, and killing for? Locke was protecting the island, and those on it, from a threat. He, like Bernard, took action against an enemy in order to secure the safety of the people he cared about.
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:41 PM   #23
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I, too, gave it a 7. I thought it was a good episode, but Jin and Sun aren't my favorites (well Sun isn't). I enjoyed that Juliet stepped up and got Sun to stay, and in a round about way, she also got the last secret out between Sun and Jin, which is always healthy for a marriage.

This episode gave us some interesting stuff, especially from the Captain. I was surprised that he flat out admitted that Widmore had staged the entire death of Flight 815 and wondered out loud who has that kind of power and money. I'm still not sure why they want Ben. He made reference to how does someone get 300 dead bodies, but what does that have to do with Ben? Did Ben leave the island with all those passports he has, and help stage the deaths with Widmore? Another mystery.

I loved seeing Michael, and who cares if it wasn't a surprise. Just announcing his return was going to put a kabosh on any "WOW, it's Michael!" reaction. We knew it was coming, it came, and I was darn happy to see him. Now, what's with all the dying on the freighter?

Lastly, the final five minutes was a huge WTF moment for me. I didn't see it as a FB at all, I saw it as Jin and Sun getting stuck in two separate time dimensions. Maybe Sun and Jin left the island in different ways, Sun ended up in real time, but Jin went back in time. Yes, I know, it's making my head hurt too, but I just didn't see it as a FB. I saw it as a time loop. At least, that was my initial reaction.

I'm very happy that we are getting five more episodes after next week because I need SOME type of closure in terms of answers before the season ends.
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:42 PM   #24
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Cylune, here's a wee snippet from lostpedia regarding Naomi: "Her conversation with Matthew Abaddon prior to her mission to the Island also suggests that she is a skilled operative with military experience, and suited for dangerous black ops scenarios."

As you said, "Soldiers in a war aren't murderers." This is a war for the fate of the island. Locke kicked serious ***. In fact he Solid-Snaked her black ops junk. Done.
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:43 PM   #25
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Re: Rate the Episode!!!

as some famous comic book store owner once said:"Worst episode ever"
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:44 PM   #26
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What about the vision of peace that soldiers who enlist themselves hold as something worth fighting, and killing for? Locke was protecting the island, and those on it, from a threat. He, like Bernard, took action against an enemy in order to secure the safety of the people he cared about.
So if there's a man I don't like on the street and feel he's a threat to my family, that entitles me to kill him? right.

The only thing Locke cares about is his special destiny.

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Cylune, here's a wee snippet from lostpedia regarding Naomi: "Her conversation with Matthew Abaddon prior to her mission to the Island also suggests that she is a skilled operative with military experience, and suited for dangerous black ops scenarios."
So because she's military, it's okay to murder her? Even then... in war, you don't kill an unarmed soldier.

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Old 03-13-2008, 11:48 PM   #27
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Re: Rate the Episode!!!

9, Reginas "issues" were interesting, I'd like to know what would happen to drive her "mad", The FF/FB was also pretty cool, I knew that Jin and Sun were considered part of the O6 I assume Jin died after they got off the Island, and the Michael thing was ruined, by myself, due to spoilers, no spoilers for next week.
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:49 PM   #28
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Rated it a 9. Nice slow pace EP. Shame about Jin. Love Hugo's threads. Julette looked kind of beat up. Zoe reading her book upside down and then taking a plunge with chains and nobody cares... Interesting. Liked Captain cool too.
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:52 PM   #29
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Oh yeah, I forgot in war how the two sides get together over tea and customarily make sure that each other are well armed. That way it's super fair and your enemy has a keen chance at killing you. If Canada starts enlisting, well, please flee.
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Old 03-14-2008, 12:01 AM   #30
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So if there's a man I don't like on the street and feel he's a threat to my family, that entitles me to kill him? right.

The only thing Locke cares about is his special destiny.
I missed the part when we moved from a secluded battlefield discussing the morals of defense against invasion threats to a guy walking down the street by your local 7/11. I'm sure Bernard would have gotten into a spot of trouble if we moved the whole blasting explosives scenario to your very out-of-context neighborhood, too.
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